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Fitzy with Some Comments

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 12, 2021.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Maybe there'll be a follow up or article here soon.
     
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  2. Unlucky 13

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    Fitz is a strange dude. He has far too much confidence in himself if he truly believed that. He's not Aaron Rodgers, he was a placeholder and everyone knew it.
     
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  3. DolphinGreg

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    I think we'll always kind of wonder why the team put Tua in. They weren't exactly killing it with Ryan Fitzpatrick. He was 3-3 if I recall correctly so there wasn't a lot to lose.

    Still though, most people (even in the media) expected Tua to sit for a year for health reasons alone. The idea the Dolphins threw him out there with all that in addition to the lack of a proper offseason is just weird.

    Maybe Brian Flores believed Tua needed to see the field no matter whether he was ready? Maybe Grier pushed for it so he could get a sense of how capable Tua really was? Maybe Stephen Ross had say?

    It's all confusing.
     
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  4. Unlucky 13

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    At this point, it doesn't really matter. Tua wasn't further injured, and he got time to learn on the field. So it wasn't a bad thing, even if he doesn't eventually become a great QB. Fitz was one of the worst starting QBs in the league, and when that's who you are, your job isn't secure.
     
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  5. Den54

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    AMERICA!
     
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  6. resnor

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    I don't think it's strange. He's an alpha male. Playing QB in the NFL, you have to have supreme confidence in yourself and your abilities.
     
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  7. The_Dark_Knight

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    I personally don’t think anyone expected the overall season we had last year. We were a 6 win team that somehow managed to grab 10 wins. I attribute that to coaching and with coaching…

    Tua was not going to be the starter last season. Too many unknowns, particularly with him coming off major surgery but the Dolphins had to see what Tua could do. What he did well, where he was weak and give the rookie some exposure to the lightening fast speed of the game at the NFL level. The organization got exactly what they wanted which, in my opinion was why they put him in when they did…and why they pulled him when they did.

    Fast forward 1 year and there’s no doubt Tua is the starter…and he’s had ample time to work on what he needed to and the organization has revamped the offense to fit Tagovailoa strengths.

    I think last year’s exposure to the game as a rookie is going to do him a world of good this year

    just my opinion of course…I could be wrong
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    his entire demeanor since the benching has been very beta
     
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  9. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, Fitz had a very solid season last year with a developing team. Someone else mentioned that he started the season 3-3....but he also played the first 4 or 5 games with just about zero protection against solid opponents. The line was terrible early on.

    Fitz was the PERFECT QB for that two-year transition and I can't understand anyone having a negative opinion of him. Without him, we could easily still be in year-one stages of the rebuild cycle.
     
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  10. Galant

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  11. Unlucky 13

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    Even weirder than Fitz's reactions are Chan Gailey's.

     
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  12. KeyFin

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    Gailey's job was to win football games, and he felt like the best way to do that was starting the veteran. As a team, our best interests was to get Tua quality reps and grow with the offense...even if it meant possibly losing a few games. So I can easily see both sides and there's no right or wrong here- Tua had to play so he could be evaluated.

    From these posts, it sounds like the decision probably came from above Flores and maybe even Grier. They can't publicly comment but I doubt they were thrilled with having the move forced on them.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

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    Was it, though? As offensive coordinator, his job really was to get the offense in a position where it could succeed and produce, certainly. But when you're hired as an OC on a team with a rookie QB - and everyone knew that the Dolphins were drafting a QB in the 1st round - then you go into that job knowing that will be one of your main tasks.

    Gailey didn't join a Super Bowl contender last season. He joined a rebuilding club that needed a lot of help all over the offensive side of the ball. And it really, really sounds like he wasn't fully committed to that. Which makes it even stranger that Flores seemed to laser in on Gailey specifically when he unexpetedly fired Chad O'Shae, who's offense had come alive the second half of 2019 and seemed to have momentum.

    To this point, Flores gets sky high marks in virtually every other aspect of his job as the Fins HC. But he continues to drop the ball in getting the right man to lead the offense, and its going to bite him in the rear end if he isn't careful.
     
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  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Let's hope he got that right with Godsey.
     
  15. KeyFin

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    With Tua coming off major surgery, plus COVID eliminating training camp and pre-season, I'm guessing Gailey didn't expect Tua to see the field at all last year, except for mop-up duty and maybe a late-season start or two. Because you have to realize, Gailey knew that Tua wasn't ready (didn't know the playbook, didn't understand "NFL open", wasn't in top physical shape due to the injury, etc.) and the offensive line wasn't going to give him solid protection.

    I personally don't think his job was to develop Tua at all- I'd say they planned for 2020 to be the Fitz-Magic show basically the whole year. But I also think the difference was Flores and how quickly he had players buy in, play tough, etc...we should have been a 5-win team with that roster.
     
  16. TheHighExhaulted

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    The fanbase blew him for being silly, having a funny beard and playing a very mediocre quarterback.

    What do you expect?
     
  17. Sceeto

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    Fitzy had every right to be pissed or upset, etc. It was a dumb move. I don't think it was Flo's decision. Just like the pick itself, it wreaked of a Ross move, a Ross bowel movement. I bet if you ask the players in private and they speak honestly, they will tell you they were shocked and pissed at the move as well. The team rallied around Fitz. He and Co Flo were the main reasons for the turnaround. It didn't happen with Rosen in there. It was Fitzy. He knew how to use his weapons. Ask Parker and Gesicki who they really wanted. Those guys came alive with Fitzy. He knew how to effectively use those receivers. I could even tell that the decision was forced on Flo. His demeanor totally changed after that happened. He was never an outspoken, boisterous kind of guy, but he just seemed pissed and extra restrained and reluctant, etc. Yes, he may just get annoyed with the media, but it really didn't feel that way to me. There was something more. Remember Flo saying; "Come on. You're going in. We need a spark"? ...and that's exactly what Fitzy did. Flo knew.There was no good reason to pull him at that time. It also sends a really bad message to the team which contradicts what Co Flo is really about. They should have let him play until this infamous Fitztragic thing came out, which we actually never really saw. Tua also just came off of a major surgery. Sit, strengthen, watch and learn, kid. That's what he needed and that's what they should have done. Bad move.
     
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  18. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He knew what he was getting into and wasn't playing all that great.

    Can't complain when things go exactly how it is expected.
     
  19. Sceeto

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    It clearly wasn't expected. Either way, dumb move.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Fitz is just being a baby

    Smart move
     
  21. Sceeto

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    Uhh, boy.
     
  22. Unlucky 13

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    We all better hope so. The revolving door at the OC position can't just keep turning. When players have to learn a new system every single year, there isn't any consistency and the challenge just starts all over again. Since 2014, the only guy who's spent even two whole seasons as the Fins OC was Clyde Christensen. The Godsey/Studsville combination, if you consider them a unit, will be the team's seventh OC in the last seven years. (spanning DeVante Parker's entire career, for reference).


    2012, 13: Mike Sherman
    2014: Bill Lazor
    2015: Bill Lazor (fired/resigned), Zach Taylor
    2016, 17: Clyde Christensen
    2018: Dowell Loggains
    2019: Chad O'Shae
    2020: Chan Gailey
    2021: George Godsey/Eric Studsville
     
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  23. Wilkimania

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    I wonder how many other teams in the league could match that number of coaches in such a short time?
     
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  24. Unlucky 13

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    Not many, and the ones that do generally lose a lot of games. I noticed that the Browns have had a different OC (or no one in the position of OC) every year since 2010. Alex Van Pelt will be the first once since then last year and this to carry over. The last guy to hold the position two years in a row was Brian Daboll, immediately before he came to Miami for one terrible year. The difference between those guys and the Dolphins is that they've had a lot of people in that spot who succeeded other places, before or since, and it was just the total dysfunction of the franchise and continuous HC changes that led to the OC turnover.
     
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  25. patcobb

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    Not even sure if Clyde Christensen even counts as it was gase who was calling the plays...get your point though
     
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    Fitzy was the perfect bridge qb for us at the time. Love me some bflow, only thing I question is why they hired Chan Gaily when they were planning on drafting a qb
     
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  27. KeyFin

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    I think it's pretty obvious- it was a bridge year and Gailey complimented Fitz. And while I hate the staff turnover, he wasn't the ideal OC for Tua and our slippery fast receivers. Of course, the outlier there is that we actually won ten games and everyone did their job well.

    It still feels like the right moves in hindsight though. The only thing I'd change is starting Fitz a few more games, getting that 11th win and making it into the playoffs. But then what- do you start Tua in the wildcard game? And how angry would we be when we got blown out? I don't think anyone anticipated 10 wins at the point where Tua was named the starter, so it's hard to fault everything that came afterwards.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think once they drafted Tua they should have cut Fitz and look for a veteran that plays in the same style as Tua. Hire their OC to work the kinks out of the offense with the veteran. So that they could start this year on a much better footing.

    I thought signing Fitz was a mistake from the beginning because he is almost the direct opposite of Tua, and it would be hard to design an offense that could be a transition. I really thought Miami was going to go 1-15 at best that season. I did not see Flores being able to solidify the defense as he did. Really made chicken salad out of chicken ****. And I thought Tua was going to be obviously #1 because I didn't see his hip injury happen or Burrow coming out of nowhere.

    Burrow to Fitz would work.
    Herbert to Fitz would work.
    Hell, just do Rosen to Tua and watch Rosen fail miserably.
    Tua to Fitz is just a complete redesign.

    I didn't realize Gailey and Fitz would both be very unprofessional about it, so I am feeling extra vindicated now that signing Fitz was a mistake, and getting Gailey for Fitz just compounded the mistake. Our offense would have been better this year if Miami never signed Fitz.
     
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  29. KeyFin

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    I mean, if your boss demoted you for someone half your age that couldn't do the job as well as you, is it unprofessional for you to be surprised? I guess it's all perspective.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am not an aging NFL quarterback who knew my entire job was to play until the boss felt the someone half my age would take my job.

    My job has little in common with NFL quarterback.

    Yea, it is about perspective.
     
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  31. Unlucky 13

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    If we're trying for a real world analogy, Fitz is more like a 70 year old that never did a great job for most of his career, and most people thought would be retired by now. Some people at the office love him, but the company needs the talented new hire to be ready to take over.
     
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  32. Deus ex dolphin

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    Maybe Fitz assumed the job was his until the team was eliminated from playoff contention? Getting pulled for Tua came out of the blue in that case, and he got salty. I wanted Tua to have experience starting, so starting him was good, but Tua was not really put in a good position to succeed last year.

    In any event, it's all in the past, so any negative comments by the beard don't really matter.
     
  33. firedan

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    He knew he was temp.
     
  34. Wilkimania

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    I'd forgotten that Rosen was on our roster at any point until reading this post and it's a little bit crazy to think that we're only a couple years removed from some people thinking that Josh Rosen was going to be the quarterback that led us to glory and now not only is he not on the team, but there's a very good chance that he's out of league soon based off the reports on how he's losing the battle for the QB3 slot to Nate Sudfeld down with the 49ers
     
  35. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Rosen is an amazing-looking NFL quarterback until you see him play football.
     
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  36. Unlucky 13

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    Rosen has gotten a totally raw deal his whole career. I badly wish he got a full season with an average team to show what he can do.
     
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  37. Deus ex dolphin

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    Maybe he can dominate the new, NEW XFL? Work his way back to the NFL? Don't bet your house though....
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is always possible that in the right circumstances Rosen could have become a quality NFL quarterback.
     
  39. TheHighExhaulted

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    I would have much rather had Rosen be the bridge over a waste of time like Fitzpatrick. Rosen was still only 22, if he could have performed at least a little bit they could of have at least flipped him for something. Instead we had a 38 year career backup quarterback who thinks he's Brett Favre that cried when a rebuilding team benched him for a top five draft pick.
     
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  40. Unlucky 13

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    I'd have much rather given Rosen two years to prove himself, and then drafted Trevor Lawrence if it didn't work out. Skip drafting one in 2020 all together.
     

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