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Rookie to Rookie to Rookie to Rookie, how can randy be fired?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Dec 30, 2007.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was so impressed with our rooks today, i believe they were the only ones that touched the football on two touchdown drives.

    Jonny beck looked fantastic to me after the blunder, god he throws a beautiful ball, teddy steped up his game today, samson is theman and what can i say about lobook.

    I would love to know if ya'll were as excited as i was watching them and to ask the question, how do you fire a FIRST YEAR GM that drafted four potential stars.
     
  2. High Definition

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    I also think Mueller has done an at least decent job, but this is the reality of the business aspect in the NFL. New guy comes in to run the show, and he's going to let loose on the guns and bring in his own people. I don't have a problem with it either. If Bill Parcells is more comfortable with one of his guys as our GM, then that's fine by me. But yeah, I do agree........Mueller didn't do a poor job at all.
     
  3. Finatic8480

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    I dont think it has to do with the success Randy had drafting, it probably has to do with the fact that Parcells wants his own guys and maybe Randy is not willing to take a demotion. Also, while Randy did a good job in the Draft his FA acquisations were horrible and he got rid of alot of quality players for us. So, if you put the Draft and FA together, yeah Randy did a good job drafting but he sucked in FA and dismantling this team. If Parcells decides to stay with our Rookies and likes what he see, then Randy did one hell of a job drafting. I personally hate the fact Randy is geeting fired before Cam. Cam has stunk why Randy did a preety good job with the draft.
     
  4. RoninFin4

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    Sure they looked decent playing against a bad Bengals D decimated by injuries. Mueller gutted all our depth on defense and neglected to bring in any bright young talent. As of now, the Soliai pick was a whiff, and a big one at that; the same arguments can be made of taking Ginn at 9, Beck instead of Quinn etc. The draft is not all that goes into being a GM.

    I'll edit this - not saying Ginn or Beck are whiffs, just hard to justify their draft position by peformance this season when compared to players had later (Okoye, Dwayne Bowe, Patrick Willis ect.)
     
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  5. CanadianFish

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    Okoye was my Dream pick in this draft kid was just 19... he did hit that rookie wall pretty hard the last couple of games but DANM.... He will be something, was shocked as hell Petrino passed on him withh the #8 pick. Hindsight Willis would of been the best pick but Okoye is who I wanted.
     
  6. shouright

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    Parcells wants his own guys. What Mueller did in Miami won't hurt his resume' any. He'll have a job somewhere else eventually.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    you do have a point about some questionable decisions, if anybody knows me on this site they know how i feel about letiing wes go. but i don't wanna go there.

    Maybe i'am seeing things thru some rose colored glasses but i wil reiterate, i was very impressed with our rooks today, i'am willing to give him a pass on wes but i will respect my man bills decision.
     
  8. jdang307

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    shouright is correct. spielman still has a job for pete's sake, although his scouting wasn't that much of a problem, it was getting swindled in deals that did him in.
     
  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    who cares about spielman, i'am talking about the potential of a possible superb draft and getting fired for it.
     
  10. arsenal

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    yeah i agree that he had a great draft, its gonna be tough to see him go but it seems inevitable...

    i was thinking the same thing when it was Beck to Ginn, rush Booker, Beck to ginn, beck to booker, etc... i like our draft class and am excited for them... but its bills show now...
     
  11. FinNasty

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    I would not be happy if we fired him. I dont see how keeping him would be a bad thing, as he obviously has a sign for talent. Both him and Parcells share the same philosophy of gathering as many draft picks as possible, and dont like trading picks for players.

    Bill can make the final decisions, because hes the one that knows how to build a team... but allow Mueller to contribute in the draft.


    Only philosophy I'm not sure about is that we know Mueller is big on speed. I'm not sure how much stress Parcells puts on speed? But then again, I dont know if speed is a big part of Mueller's philosophy, or whether he just looked at this team, determined that we were slow, and focused this particular draft on adding speed?

    We dont know a ton about Mueller's takes on defense, since the good picks in this years picks were spent on offense...
     
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  12. Pauly

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    There is a good argument that Mueller is largely/partly responsible for the defence falling off a cliff this season. My thinking is that the problems on defence relate more to attitude issues from the veterans and returning coaching staff than talent level, but I won't argue that overestimation of the returning talent level contributed to the tackling dummies and turnstiles that we had to call a defence this season.

    One thing that I absoltutely blame him for is the Trent Green/Daunte Culpepper fiasco. I have no doubt that the right decision was made but the manner in which the deals were carried out is going to be used in management schools as a "what not to do" example for decades. That entire epsiode was a lesson in how to erode the confidence of the other players on team.

    I think Randy did a good job in talent acquisition in the draft and free agency. When you take into account that our salary cap in 2008 will be reset to "normal" from "purgatory" I can't complain about what Randy has done. Put it another way way how many players that Randy has acquired are we accusing of stealing their salary from the 'phins? If you want to nominate Joey Porter please explain your choice when he has more sacks and turnover than the rest of out linebacking corp combined.

    In short I don't think Rand deserves to be fired for what he's done this season. What is more important is how he will work within the Bill Parcells philosophy.
     
  13. fastball83

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    I have faith in bill judgement but randy had a good draft in my opinion and booker ginn jr and beck could really be future star in year to come.

    My first decision would have been to fire capers not mueller but bill have my praise.
     
  14. Finominal

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    I agree Mueller is not the reason for this season. I look at Keith Armstrong who can not coach a return, period. Why did we have Ronnie Brown returning kicks and never tried Lorenzo Booker? Then Dom Capers, who doesn’t seem to be able to defend against the pass, and I’m not too sure about the run, either. I think if Parcels was never hired, Cam would be making these changes for starters. Now I guess every move will be given credit to Parcels and we will never know how good Cam is or could have been, even if he is staying and we improve right away. There are always tweaks to the coaching staff every year, now every move is going to be seen as some Parcels magic. I hope it all makes the Dolphins better, but how could they not look better?
     
  15. cnc66

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    ya know, we have beat that subject to death, and I have read a million and one words about it, but I really like how you just put that. Well said Pauly.
     
  16. phinfanuk

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    How can you say that? He was a fourth round pick who wasn't expected to contribute this season anyway!
     
  17. mullingan

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    When all is said and done this draft class, IMO, will be looked back on as a turning point for this team. I was excited about this class early on and maintian my optimism. But, someone will go and Mueller looks like the Ollie North of the Miami Dolphins.
     
  18. finfansince72

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    The draft class looks like it has a lot of talent but that doesn't mean it fits what Parcells wants to do longterm. Might just be a big difference in how they want to build a team. The FA pickups weren't very good, Porter was paid way too much and the Welker trade made Mueller look lost and inept. Not to mention that all of these moves combined to make us one of the worst teams in modern history. I think Mueller can draft well and it wouldn't make me mad to keep him but I can't really argue with getting rid of him or Cam at this point. They staked their future on some very daring moves, I tip my hat, but they rolled craps this year and might have to move on because of them.
     
  19. RoninFin4

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    Meaning big as in 344lbs big. Mueller had a 2nd round grade on him, and I'd like to think that someone with that size could at least come in and give Traylor 8-12 snaps a game so Traylor's out there 25-30, not 35-40.
     
  20. daniel3

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    The people Randy brought in both through draft and free agency (Chatman, Porter, and yes even Worrell performed better than expected) weren't that bad, but his decisions on the talent he let go were the kicker. Even though I don't think Parcells thought Randy did a bad job, I just think Randy+Parcells does not mix which is why he nixed the relationship so early.
     
  21. Predaphin

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    I could not agree more. I was baffled by the firing of Mueller. When given the oppertunity, He did a decent job of obtaining solid players for our future. Even in his past, he obtained a groupo opf solid players through the drafts, but Mueller's weakness lays in the fact that he is not good at selecting a good coach. In every team he has been in, he's made horrible coaching selections. In Seattle, it was Dickerson....in New Orleans, it was Haslett.....in Miami, could it be Cam?

    Bad coaching selections have ruined good football teams.

    But, in my opinion, the decision to fire Mueller was more based on Parcell's plans to have the final say in who we draft. Why would we want a second (or co-GM) when Bill will have the final say in who we draft?
     
  22. SellTheFins

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    True but if he would of drafted Quinn we would of been better. Quinn looked good yesterday. In fact he has looked pretty good everytime he's had playing time. Instead we draft a guy who has a good family.
     
  23. Silverphin

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    Quinn never looked that good, IMO. He was only 3 of 8 yesterday (not to knock him, he is a rookie, after all). And besides, I doubt he would have looked better here. He has Winslow and Edwards to throw to while our guys is still developing.
     
  24. ebozzz

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    Their defense can't be any worse than ours especially with all of the injuries that have occurred on that side of the ball. Shoot, look at all of the offensive injuries as well!
     
  25. CrunchTime

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    Playing the devils advocate there are some moves by Mueller which are questionable.

    Its premature to analyze the draft.We dont know if the Ginn-Beck selections will prove out in the future.

    Ultimately that decision will be Muellers legacy.

    However he did trade our two best offensive players ,Chambers and Welker and he cut Mc Michaels and Donnie Jones our punter.And he completely gutted the best players we had on STs and did not adequately replaced them.

    The defense was weakened in the process.That decision could be justified as a tradeoff if the offense was improved but instead we traded away two of our best offensive players Chambers and Welker.

    Yes I know we needed to get control of the cap space and accumulate more draft picks but you dont throw away the baby along with the bathwater . A 1-15 record is throwing away the baby IMO

    As Parcells said you try keep your best players . I expect JT and Zach to be back for that reason.
     

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