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Florio: Stephen Ross wants to trade for DeShaun Watson

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Sep 24, 2021.

  1. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Very True. I would hope, though, we find someone who's mind is at least comfortable thinking about football and not just reproductive exercises.
     
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  2. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    This is a bad idea for so many reasons.

    A bad/mediocre team trading a boatload of picks for a player facing a large suspension (for any reason) and carrying an enormous salary going forward, seems like a bad idea.

    On top of that, the actual reason for the suspension would make it very hard for me (lifelong fins fan) and many Dolphins fans to cheer for a Watson led Miami team.

    Can’t imagine how a move like this would alienate the female fan base.
     
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  3. Vertical Limit

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    If they gonna do it, they got to do it this season.. that way any suspension time he needs to serve gets over with now.. not in 2022
     
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  4. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Its possible they could decide to wait until all investigations are done to make a decision so he could play now but them putting him on the exempt list now wouldn't mean he couldn't be suspended in the offseason.

    With no idea how its going to unfold with him it just doesn't seem remotely plausible that a team would trade for him now
     
  5. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    There’s really no scenario where I want to trade 3 draft picks for Watson. We still don’t have a good OL, a consistent pass rush or the ability to stop the run. Watson solves one part of the problem but losing 3 top picks creates more problems.
     
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  6. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    That's assuming the suspension won't be indefinite.
     
  7. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Watson holds on to the ball forever and gets sacked alot as is. It would be worse.
     
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  8. brandon27

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    Exactly. IMO the only reason the NFL has been quiet on it is two fold. First; their "investigation" is on hold currently while it plays itself out. Second; he's not playing or even on an active roster so they really have no need to give it more attention. The second Watson says he's coming back to play either in Houston or elsewhere via trade is when the NFL will likely step in and put him on the exempt list or suspend him.

    As much as I'd take Watson on this team; trading for him before the legal issues are resolved would be complete stupidity; especially at the price Houston is asking. But... I wouldn't put it past Grier and Ross.
     
  9. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I doubt anyone will give us a first for Tua at this point. He's shown nothing to be worthy of the first round pick last year; so why would someone give us a first for him now? I know you're speculating and having fun with this, but I think you're really overvaluing him here at this point. He's just put nothing on tape to make another team give up a first for him especially when you combine that with his college and NFL injury history. Potential is still there with the kid IMO; but that won't garner a first from someone on his own.
     
  10. TheHighExhaulted

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    It worked on Madden video game though.
     
  11. cbrad

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    Watson doesn't need a solid OL. In 2018 he put up a 103.1 rating (league average = 92.9) when he was sacked 62 times!! He took more sacks that year than any other QB and was still one of the best QB's. He put up an even more impressive 112.4 rating in 2020 (league average = 93.6) when his team went 4-12 that year. That's unbelievable if you think about it: 2nd in passer rating on a 4-12 team!

    I have no problems giving up 3 1sts for Watson IF his legal issues are behind him by 2022 or so. That's a fair asking price (even a bit low) for an elite QB. My issue is what are his legal problems. Of course there's the bigger issue of whether this is all rumor and no trade occurs and we're just wasting time thinking about it lol.
     
  12. Deus ex dolphin

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    Well, you could argue Grier will waste those three picks anyway, so why not a sure (outside of that pesky legal/NFL trouble) thing instead?

    Another thing is that Grier won't care about the future of Miami if he doesn't expect to be part of it. Why not give up whatever? Why not make desperation moves to try and save your job? Maybe it works out for you.... but if not, you won't be the one trying to clean up the mess without future high picks and cap space.

    Without a turnaround with the OL, Tua showing definite development toward being a franchise QB, and at least being in playoff contention at the end of the season then Ross needs to consider this rebuild a failure and start yet again. He'll almost certainly give Grier and Flores 2022 to try and turn things around though.
     
  13. KeyFin

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    That's the thing- are we talking about a guy with a kink that said inappropriate things, or are we talking sexual assault? It's been out there for awhile now and we haven't seen an arrest, so at this point I'd assume criminal charges aren't coming. But we can't pay three first rounders on an assumption- we need facts and those just don't appear to be available.

    Part of me thinks Watson will never play another down in the NFL. Part of me thinks that at this point, the Texans should be drastically lowering their asking price if they don't expect him to return...and they're not doing that. So I could see this going either way and it's entirely possible that there will be no suspension from the league; or maybe they've disclosed what they expect to issue out privately to interested clubs. We just don't know.

    On pure talent, sure...I'd roll the dice if I knew he'd be playing next year (or could play this year). But at the same time, the Dolphins should know more than we do and they haven't made a move. It could mean nothing or it could mean everything.
     
  14. Hooligan

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    Coach Flores should be given the final say on the QB, certainly not Ross. If Flores had been able to draft Herbert, as is being reported, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Allowing the owner to pick his shiny new super stars has worked out so well for the Cowboys and the Washington team.
     
  15. RevRick

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    I would rather take a gamble on three first rounders contributing to the Dolphins than Watson.
     
  16. texanphinatic

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    It would need a pretty specific team, and Pitt is the one I could identify. They have Bama guys who might advocate, they have a washed QB that's costing them games, they have a good offensive scheme and just lack the QB to execute. They have a strong coaching staff and defense and they are built to win now.

    If they are desperate enough to replace Ben, they might be desperate enough to pay a first for Tua. Keep in mind that it would likely be mid/late.

    I could also see it be conditional, either to snap count or playoff advancement or both.

    Is it likely? No. Would it beggar belief in this one specific scenario? Meh. But don't get me wrong, I'm not placing it in the likely category. 50/50 is laughably generous. Outside of Pitt, it's pretty much nil. Spit balling.
     
  17. mlb1399

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    At this point, Tua has the label of injury prone. No one is going to pay a 1st round pick for him. And if someone is stupid enough to do it, you pull the trigger in a heartbeat.
     
  18. JJ_79

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    With Grier making those picks?
     
  19. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    So everyone on here is happy to analyze Watson from a wins/losses standpoint?
    From a fair trade value standpoint ?
    From a suspension risk/reward standpoint ?

    I can’t get there at this point. I don’t care about any of that stuff. I just plain don’t want to cheer for a Deshaun Watson led Miami Dolphins team.
    Fingers cross this trade never happens period.
     
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  20. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    All the more reason not to put all the horses in one cart, or all your chips on one draw, etc., etc., etc.
    I am not convinced that Watson has matured enough to act as the focal point of a snipe hunt, let alone a football team. As soon as he has shown he might understand the advice of KYPIYP to be an effective means to stay out of his particular variety of trouble, maybe a consideration would be in order. But three first round picks for a very possible team disaster on several levels - ain't no bloody way!
     
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  21. hitman8

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    I agree 100% we should stay away from Watson, he's not worth the price and the risk. We should stay put, see if Tua and brissett can get through the season, fire Grier as soon as possible and get a competent GM in here who actually knows how to evaluate talent and make the most out of our draft picks and cap money.
     
  22. KeyFin

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    The thing is, we just turned one 1st rounder into three. So if the move was to land Watson, we would have had him for the price of Waddle. Now, I love Waddle and all but come on...if Watson was the true prize, then you CAN'T trade back up for a luxury pick in the WR room. It makes zero sense, which is why I figured this was just talk all along.
     
  23. texanphinatic

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    Nah it's a totally fair point. I think most of us are just desperate for good QB play at this point.

    Ultimately, the likely scenario is that Watson stays put until the offseason and we continue with Tua and Co. There really isn't much impetus for Houston to trade at the moment.

    Nothing this team is doing offensively makes any sense.
     
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  24. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    As desperate as we may be…
    Do you think you would actually enjoy cheering for DeShaun Watson ?
     
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  25. mlb1399

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    Character counts, I want nothing to do with Watson. Isn’t Ross the one who was pushing for Tua? He needs to stop getting involved with football operations because he doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

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    Are you this way specifically and only for Watson though? Like, there are more than a handful of garbage people in the League - or are just famous in general or from other leagues/etc. Are Browns fans hiding because of Kareem Hunt on the team? Did Chiefs fans renounce the Super Bowl because of Tyreek Hill? Did Ravens fans drop out due to Ray Lewis? How many Steeler's fans quit the team after hearing about Big Ben's bathroom adventures? And these are a small handful of issues.

    Personally ... I don't know man. I don't like it, but if the league doesn't suspend him (or he serves the suspension) and there isn't jail time? I know that doesn't necessarily make him innocent, but if he runs the course? It's definitely easier to be critical and dismissive when the player isn't on your team or isn't someone you may have looked at positively. Can you - should you - separate the actions from the performance? If we do make that move, it will be something I need to really process. I am going to guess most people ultimately won't stop being fans. Some will.
     
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  27. JJ_79

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    Let's see how the season plays out but as of now Grier is more then on the hot seat for me now. If he stays we might as well trade those picks for horny number 4. I'm sick of my once proud Dolphins.. Everything went downhill after Jimmy went away and Pornstache took over, since then we're nothing more then a joke and it got even worse after that. Flores seems like a good coach except that he can't find a OC, Grier I'm not a fan of and Ross is a decent owner who opens the wallet but can't find anybody to run this thing here, despite having a great destination here in Miami...
     
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