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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Tua is a game manager. He'll never be anything more. The amount of grown men in here that are in love with him is disturbing
     
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  2. Finatik

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    This is the disturbing post of the week. LoL.
     
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  3. Fireland

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    Fans who want their QB to be good vs fans who hope he is bad so they can say "I told you so"

    Gee I wonder which is worse to be
     
  4. tirty8

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    He looked terrible today. Probably his worst game as a Dolphin. He threw a pick that almost cost us the game.

    Then..

    Did he melt down?

    Nope, he came out there, led us down the field, and sealed the deal.

    QBs have bad games. QBs have bad games against bad teams. How many times did Tom Brady struggle against terrible Dolphins' teams?

    I'll never forget the last game of the season when we played the Bills last year. Tua looked HORRIBLE, and Omar Kelly reported that Tua looked like he was going to cry.

    Was I happy with his play today? Absolutely not. Has he demonstrated growth and mental toughness? Yup.

    He's gonna have to play better on Monday night to get us the win, but he knows that.
     
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  5. Finatik

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    Agreed. Sums it up.
     
  6. OwesOwn614

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    Without going back to check, I recall his game against the Raiders last season as being worse. But more to the point, any ego he developed reading how his stats from recent games has objectively shown him to be a good QB, was brought down to Earth. I won't be surprised if he has a great game next week.

    Without making an excuse for him, I'm wondering if the bye week and COVID hubbub contributed to his being rusty. The defense too. I recall thinking how bad the timing of the bye was, coming in the middle of a win streak.
     
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  7. hitman8

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    His bad game today was due more to defenses starting to figure him out. The jets defense came prepared today to take away his first read and the quick passes to force him into longer throws. If defenses start executing the same gameplan going forward it could get ugly for Tua. Waddle being out also hurt him since waddle is the specialist at getting open quickly for the short throws.
     
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  8. OwesOwn614

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    Nah, he was rusty after two weeks off. He had a handful of downright bad plays, but the Jests didn't shut him down in any regard.
     
  9. OwesOwn614

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    Tell him not to do this ever again. I'm going to be checking the pressers and team tweets for the next week thinking that they'll announce he broke another finger. Also: It's good to know that the ribs are close to 100%.
     
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  10. tirty8

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    100% the bye and Covid affected him. I have noticed that he is a streaky guy. Success builds on success for him. When he gets in the zone, you get 80% completion percentages. Sometimes, I think it takes him awhile to get into a rhythm.

    Also, lemme tell you how wrong I was about not wanting Waddle. He could be one of the best picks in team history. Tua feels so comfortable with him. Losing him hurt.

    I really, really hope he is back for the Saints game. I think we are gonna need him.
     
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  11. OwesOwn614

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    Saints' D is putting it to Tompa Boo right now. We're going to have to deal with a helluva tough DL.
     
  12. tirty8

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    Dude, that pass rush scares me.
     
  13. canesz06

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    I don't hope he's bad. I'm just calling it as I see it. Of course I want our QB to be good. He is good but just good, not great. Like I said, just a game manager. Some people on here act like he's Dan Marino and defend him at every turn. He was a waste of a top 5 pick.
     
  14. OwesOwn614

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    Dan Marino never won a Super Bowl. Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer did. Tua doesn't have Marino's upside, but he has higher potential than Johnson and Dilfer IMO. The people who "defend him at every turn" are watching the game and seeing a guy who knows what his strengths are and doesn't play beyond them. Too many people who kick dust on him see somebody who can't do what other QBs can do. Curiously, his W/L beats most of those hot shots. It's fair for you to point out his shortcomings. But if your reason for posting about them is "because Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow", then you should expect somebody to object.

    You* can be subjective in your opinion. But if your subjective opinion can be objectively disproven, try harder.

    *Not you specifically.
     
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  15. Pauly

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    I’m not saying had a good game, but there were several plays in the game that would not be out of place in a MVP highlight reel. He had a couple of really good scrambles (nb not the idiot play where he trucked the Jets CB), and a couple of dimes to Parker and one play where he hit Gesicki perfectly in stride for a long 3rd down conversion. If you look at, for example, Ryan Tannehill’s or Ryan Fitzpatrick’s bad games you’d come away with nothing for a highlight reel
    I also liked his mental perseverance and composure. He got back on track and helped the team come away with the W, he didn’t dig himself deeper into a hole.
     
  16. The_Dark_Knight

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    We’re not “in love” with Tagovailoa. We’re “in love” with the Dolphins and cheer for all 11 offensive players and all 11 defensive players on the field.

    We praise those who play well. We’re critical of those who play poorly. We praise those who rise up and we’re critical of those who fold.

    Like I told another in another post, you can either cheer for the team or cheer for individual players. If you choose the latter, pick up a Madden video game
     
  17. KeyFin

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    For me, it's even more simple- if they're Dolphins, I root for them regardless of how good/bad they play. If they mess up, oh well, move onto the next play and root for them some more. As long as they're Dolphins, I'm always on their side and a big fan.

    I know many will disagree...heck, I disagree sometimes talking trash about Parker, Fuller, etc. But if they suit up, I'm a fan unconditionally.

    Tua has some flaws as he grows in this league, but I do not think he's a flawed QB. I do see a ton of upside there and I believe he could be a long-term answer.
     
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  18. canesz06

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    The majority of posters on here do not criticize Tua, no matter how bad he may look and they in turn bash other posters who criticize tua. Ive never seen anything like it. Tua has proven nothing but has a cult like following amongst some Dolphins fans. To your other point, I cheer for the team, not individual players. The only players I can say that I specifically rooted for are Dan Marino and Ricky Williams.
     
  19. TheHighExhaulted

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    I like Tua alot.

    He played like absolute crap yesterday. He was off on more throws than not. Even his touchdown pass to Parker was off, Parker bailed him out with a great catch.

    You have to be impressed though with how he lead a game winning touchdown drive after throwing the dumbest pass of his career. Alot of young quarterbacks don't come back after that.
     
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  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I just cannot agree with this. He didn't play his best and was very inconsistent, however, I can't say he was absolute crap.

    I do not think he had a good game.
     
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  21. Rouk

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    Yeah, he wasnt good yesterday but he wasn’t terrible. His first throw sailed for a terrible interception. He missed wilson on a td it was just a horrible start for him. That whole first quarter was a nightmare. Even the rb handoff was an issue in the first. After the first he settled in and made some big throws that everyone has been crying weeks for. The pick 6 was his only blunder and he should have never thrown it. Wtf we throwing a 5 yard sideline route on 3 and 14. I dunno if thats purely on tua or if the moron coaching staff had a hand in that. Also the drive before that we go wildcat gaskins on 3rd and 1 and then instead of playing real football we try a stupid fake punt. This coaching staff does him zero favors when it comes to calling plays. I dont even want to go into the brisset stuff or the fact every single team knows when we’re snapping the ball because we run the same motion on every single play. I will say that the jets were clearly jumping short routes yesterday which is why I think you saw some deep throws. He needs to be able to constantly make those reads if teams are going to jump routes
     
  22. KeyFin

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    We're on a six-game win streak with the worst offensive line in the league and very little run game. He's proven NOTHING?
     
  23. canesz06

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    Like I said in another post. I think he is a good QB but he's not a great QB and I don't see him becoming one. Time will tell I suppose.
     
  24. canesz06

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    Not in my eyes, no. He's a dink and dunk game manager. Again, my opinion
     
  25. Galant

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    I don't think the issue, for most people, is that they won't criticise Tua. It's that they'll wait until there's sufficient tape to make a judgement. People have been critical of Tua since before he played a snap in the NFL, and then continued to pass judgement after every single snap he took.

    It's silly.
     
  26. Finatik

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    Or even when he does things right as soon as there is a bad play, "We shoulda went with Hubert". After 2 years they just need to get over it and themselves for being on what they think is the "right side" of that pick. Most people are sick of hearing about it and its just becoming a troll at this point. Talk about his mechanics. Talk about his reading ability but geez, we know you wouldn't have pick him. You've told us over and over and over and over again. But it doesn't add anything to the conversation. IMO
     
  27. Galant

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  28. canesz06

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    He does throw a nice 10 yard pass. Im not kidding when I say this but in that video, he looks like he's the size of a high school QB
     
  29. The_Dark_Knight

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    Have the Dolphins won…6 games in a row, a simple yes or no?
     
  30. canesz06

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    Yea, against bottom feeder teams minus Baltimore. If he plays good and leads us to wins in the next 3 then I'll start eating crow
     
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    No you won’t. You’ll find SOMETHING to complain about.

    If you prove ME wrong and don’t complain (if we win the remaining 3), I’ll eat crow
     
  32. TheHighExhaulted

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    Kyler Murray just lost to the Lions. They're the ultimate bottom feeder team.

    I guess Kyler Murray sucks.
     
  33. canesz06

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    Deal
     
  34. canesz06

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    I never said Tua sucked
     
  35. OwesOwn614

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    I co-sign this entire post. The thing about Tua that concerns me is that so many in the fanbase and national media were not just quick to pull the plug on him, but to move on to someone else before they saw what he's capable of. I'm watching the Browns play the Raiders right now and Derek Carr is pitching the same game that we see from Tua. Not once has the announcer mentioned dinks, dunks, short throws, or game management. And he actually has a decent line and running backs to support him.

    But we hear it from the Chris Simms of the world nonstop because they committed their credibility on criticizing him. If Tua winds up being a good QB, they're on record, loud and proud, explaining why we should have sold the farm to get DeShaun Watson. The vehemence of their continued criticism, in spite of objective evidence that the kid is actually pretty good, foreshadows how much they know they're wrong. Screw 'em. They're entitled to their opinions, even if it makes them look foolish.
     
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  36. OwesOwn614

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    Detroit beat Arizona.
    Jacksonville beat Buffalo.
    Houston beat Tennessee.
    The Jests beat Cincinnati (with Joe Burrow). And Tennessee, BTW.

    There's a reason why they play the games, and contrary to popular sentiments, a six-game winning streak in the NFL is hard to achieve, even if five of the games were played against a team consisting of players two weeks removed from Father Flanagan's Boys Town. The fact that we're only the second team to go from 1-7 to 7-7 should be the first clue that what we're witnessing is extraordinary. It doesn't mean we're a great team. It doesn't even mean we're a good team. But we're on a historic run and suggesting that it's nothing special falls flat.
     
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  37. canesz06

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    Fair enough. The next three games though, will tell us all what we need to know. Let's see how Tua plays against better competition with a possible spot in the playoffs.
     
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  38. Ronnie Bass

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    It won't change a damn thing with the Tua haters, I wish I could make sense of the disdain he brings out from our own fans. It's sad that he's treated like a red-headed stepchild by his own fanbase.
     
  39. OwesOwn614

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    Honest question: If Tua plays well in all three games and we lose for other reasons (defensive lapses, other players fumbling or dropping balls, penalties, questionable officiating), are you going to blame him for the losses? Or, if he plays well in defeat, will that "tell us all we need to know"?

    Because many of his detractors seem to soil their shorts when they see Burrow and Herbert's stats but fail to mention that Tua's has a better record as a starter. I don't know if you're like that, so I wanted to ask.
     
  40. canesz06

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    And conversely, if he ****s the bed the next 3 games, the tua lovers will still praise him. I wish I could make sense of the love for him when he hasnt proven anything yet.
     
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