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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    I bet I've been to more dolphin games than you've watched on tv. Keep crying. Maybe use your Tua Jersey to wipe the tears?
     
  2. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    All you douches say the same thing "another fake dolphins fan". Go cry some more. I bet you threw your remote at the tv today, didn't you Mr. Superfan
     
  3. Ronnie Bass

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    Keep cheering our losses. Glad today went well for you!
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Wentz sucks.
    Pretty much lost that game today
     
  5. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    You're such a tool. Just accept that you really don't know a lot about football. It's ok lil fella
     
  6. Ronnie Bass

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    At least I'm a fan of the team.
     
  7. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Good for you, tool.
     
  8. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    You should give yourself a timeout, Your tantrums are getting increasingly childish.
     
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  9. Ronnie Bass

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    BUCS WON!!
     
  10. Ronnie Bass

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    Yawn
     
  11. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Because I criticize the dolphins and call them out, means I'm not a fan? Every clown like you regurgitates the same tired lines. Keep crying.
     
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  12. Ronnie Bass

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    No, because you root for their QB to play bad and then gloat when he does.
     
  13. canesz06

    canesz06 Well-Known Member

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    Nope. I was against Tua from before the draft. You just don't know enough about football to know any better. I was called names on here from people like you for bashing tua. Now that your hero has come crashing down, you and the other fan boys can't handle it.
     
  14. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Right.

    Enough of the personal insults back and forth.
    We lost. It sucks.
    People have had a chance to vent.

    The insults end now.

    I'll re-open this thread in a short while.
    Any further insults, name-calling or similar will get you warned, points earned, and if you're not careful you'll earn yourself a short vacation from the forums.

    So if you can't post without insulting someone - and at this point, with this warning, I don't care if you get insulted first - walk away. Come back later, or tomorrow.

    Thread will be re-opened in short while.

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  15. OwesOwn614

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    Hope I'm not in that league of "douches". One thing I make sure not to do is to question another person's fandom. I've even asked who is more of a fan, the guy who thinks the team can do no wrong and pumps up his team during tough times or the one who looked back at the 17-0 season and proclaimed the team could have been better? Our opinions are our own and if I don't share your point of view, it's not my place to say you're wrong - only that we see things differently. Discussion on a message board should be fun, not vitriolic.

    I haven't read many posts from yesterday, but if you're gloating that Tua (finally) had a terrible game, that could easily be seen by some as someone who was hoping said egg would be laid. I hope that's not the case. In any situation, I didn't throw the remote yesterday because I didn't see anything in the game that I liked. So for me to be frustrated with Tua and ignore the OL, rushing attack (other than Duke), and coaching on both sides of the ball would be a little obsessive. Yesterday was a bad effort in may regards. With that being said, I pride myself to be able to say when I believe someone played poorly or well. That's called objectivity and although I'm admittedly opinionated, it's something I seek to embrace.
     
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  16. canesz06

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    That post was a direct response to some guy on here who kept saying I wasn't a true fan because I said Tua is not a good QB. He kept saying I was happy that they lost, which I wasnt. I'm tired of the losing. Did his post get deleted? Apparently, if you criticize the team ESPECIALLY Tua, you arent a real fan. That seems to be the go to insult from certain people on this forum. I've never liked Tua, hated that we drafted him and have said all along that he wss a wasted pick. So when I pointed out how horrible he wss yesterday, of course I get attacked by the blind homers.
    Yes, that was an entire team loss yesterday but tua did nothing to elevate the team. You would expect the number 5 pick in the draft to be able to do that. Anyway, that post wasnt directed to you or anyone else specifically, except for one guy, who actually called me a douche first, which is why I included thst word in my post
     
  17. Vinny Fins

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    DeShaun Watson is a better player than Tua at this point in their careers. Certainly.


    Tua, to this point, has shown enough in development that he can be a mid tier qb in this league. He is also on an entry level contract with option for control for 3 more years while his team is loaded with cap space, picks, and a championship caliber defense.

    Watson also comes with the fact you literally have to sell your soul to get him. 22 women have accused him of sexual assault. I cannot overlook that, and if you can i think less of you as a person but just assume you are a rabid fan. He also may end up doing a atint in the pokie or suspended.

    That aside, is the team more likely to win with tua on this contract plus the arsenal of picks and cap space to address the offensive (and ST!) needs? Or with watson and drastically less draft and cap resources?
    Similar questions can be asked about wilson (who comes with injury concerns) or rodgers (age).

    im riding with Tua based on the options realisticly available. Form your own opinions, but consider all the factors.
     
  18. pumpdogs

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    Lets see we already had all these draft picks and cap space and we are back to being mediocre like the last 20 years.
    After that sad peformance yesterday I am all in on getting Watson and I bet Ross feels the same way.
    I am sick of this same **** year after year.Get us a franchise QB because Tua is not the answer.
     
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  19. OwesOwn614

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    Is Watson blocking for himself? Asking for a friend... :smile:
     
  20. Vinny Fins

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    We…got smoked by the last qb you ran out of town. The allegations, suspension and cap hit give you no pause, huh?
     
  21. pumpdogs

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    Please!Burrow was sacked 51 times this year and now they are Afc north champs and the chargers line was ranked 32nd last year and all he did was throw 34 tds and rookie of year.
    So please stop with the excuses.
     
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  22. pumpdogs

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    Nope!If he gets cleared make the damm trade.I am sick of the same old same old.I want a damm star!
     
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  23. canesz06

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    Cincy's o-line is putrid this year, yet somehow burrow is lighting it up. A good QB will make plays no matter what, not throw 5 yard slants 25 times a game
     
  24. canesz06

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    The Patriots sucked last year. Yet here they are this year with a rookie
    QB and are in the playoffs. Tua is never gonna win us anything. We need to move on from him
     
  25. pumpdogs

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    That dude had 3 and 27 after getting sacked and throws a dart to chase for 30 yds on the winning drive.
    That is what I call an elite Qb!
     
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  26. pumpdogs

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    I agree but we need a proven commodity since we can't draft for ****.
     
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  27. The_Dark_Knight

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    Ok, I can see that everyone’s butts are still super sore from yesterday’s asswhipping we took yesterday. I know this is the wrong thread, but hopefully this point of view can put some perspective on not only yesterday but the entire season as a whole.

    Ok, SAYING THIS FIRST…Tua played far from well yesterday. Two fumbles AND an interception. That’s not playoff level quarterback play. Now…

    In regards to not only yesterday but the entire season…show of hands please; raise your hand if you were truly CONFIDENT in the potential of success with the team having TWO offensive co-coordinators. Anyone?

    Show of hands please; raise your hand if you were truly confident in the offensive line playing relatively penalty free and controlling the line of scrimmage. Anyone?

    Show of hands please; raise your hand, with the exception of Waddle and Gesecki if you were truly confident in the capacities of our receiving corps with the likes of Parker, Fuller, Grant, Williams, Ford, etc. Anyone?

    Show of hands please; raise your hand if you were truly confident the Dolphins had a solid, reliable, dependable running back who could help carry the load. Anyone?

    Show of hands please; raise your hand if you were truly confident
    -with the lack of offensive support from the cluster of offensive play calling from a dysfunctional offensive staff and all of their gimmick plays…
    -an offensive line that ranks dead last in the league…
    -a running game that averages dead last in yards per attempt
    -and a receiving corps that leads the league in dropped passes

    that your young 2nd year quarterback was truly set up for success. Anyone?

    I don’t care about Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Mac Jones, Jesus Christ or Gladys Knight and the Pips. The question is, was Tua Tagovailoa, with the team and situation he was put in set up for success?

    If your answer is “no”, this team is far from fixed, take that into consideration for your overall criticism of not only yesterday but the entire season.

    If your answer is “yes”, Tua had the same supporting cast as any other of the teams that are in the playoffs, then I can’t have an objective knowledge based football discussion with you.

    Someone earlier made a vague reference to Tua being the next Marino or words to that effect. First off, there is nor ever will there ever be another Marino. But more importantly, Marino took over the offense of the team that had JUST APPEARED in the Super Bowl. Marino was set up for success. His success or failure couldn’t be blamed on anyone but him. The TEAM was set. The same can not be said for our current quarterback. Even reasonable people can agree to this.

    So the ultimate question becomes this. Do you want a great quarterback who lights up the stats boards…or do you want your team to consistently win and vye for the Super Bowl year after year?
     
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  28. canesz06

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    Well, id like both but if I have to choose one, id choose the latter. I have to ask though, is this a trick question? Because Tua will do neither of those things.
     
  29. pumpdogs

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    It sure would be more entertaining than watching this boring *** **** for the last 20 years.
     
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  30. cbrad

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    Teams with great QBs usually consistently win and make the playoffs year after year. It's one of the best predictors of success.

    Peyton Manning made the playoffs in 15 of 17 years. Rodgers did it 10 out of 14 years. Brady 18 out of 20 years. Montana 11 out of 13 years. Brees 10 out of 19 years. Marino 10 out of 17 years. Wilson 8 out of 11 years.

    Conversely, how many teams without great QBs consistently make the playoffs like that? It's much easier to name the ones with great QBs.

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining if we win the SB with a QB like Dilfer. I don't care one bit how we win it as long as we win. But getting a great QB is one of the best predictors of consistent success. That and having a great HC. Often they go together.
     
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  31. OwesOwn614

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    Stop. There's a difference between taking a sack and having a line that breaks down in less than 2.5 seconds on average. If you don't understand that, you're not paying attention. Neither Burrow nor Herbie would have those years behind our line and you know it. I'll not even get into the fact that Burrow had Joe Mixon and Herbert had Austin Ekeler and Tua has **checks notes** Myles Gaskin.

    By the way: If the bulk of responsibility to "carry the team" falls on QB, why are we proposing to trade our future for a guy who won FOUR games in 2020?
     
  32. pumpdogs

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    Lol!
    Whatever man.51 sacks means Burrow has this great line!Tua is the best QB in the league does that sound better?
     
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    The "bulk" of responsibility to carry a team doesn't fall on the QB. However, no other single player has as much influence or responsibility. An entire unit like the defense is of course far more influential (and more responsible) than a single player like the QB.

    As to why Watson commands such a high price, note that in that 4-12 season he was absolutely amazing. He had ratings of 110.7, 110.7 (twice had the same rating lol), 138.9, 114.2, 101.9, 120.8, 133.9 and 115.9 in 8 out of those 12 losses. That's how he played in LOSSES.

    Watson was playing at an elite level with the 27th ranked defense by points allowed. Imagine him with a top 10 defense like ours.

    I'm not saying we should trade for Watson, especially given the legal issues, but you can see why it's something to consider.
     
  34. OwesOwn614

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    Settle down. I never said any of those things. Are you okay?
     
  35. pumpdogs

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    Lol!Burrow got sacked 51 times so I'm sure he 12 seconds everytime he drops backs.
    And like I said Herbert had the worst line last year but didn't need excuses and won rookie of the year.
    Tua does not elevate his team.
    This team won those games because of D and playing ****ty teams.He is not capable of carrying a team.
    Translation isn't and never will be a franchise QB.
     
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  36. OwesOwn614

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    I am not in favor of trading for Watson and I'm on record about it. With that being said, I recognize how good he is and can give him his proper respect. With that being said, I don't want to trade at least three first round picks and $40+ million of our cap space to get him because I think those picks and that money can make us a much more sustainably competitive team.

    If we trade for Watson, I'll be unhappy for the news cycle but excited for what happens next. But folks need to make up their minds over whether stats or win totals determines how good a QB is. Tua has his fair share of better stats than Burrow and Herbert and also has better win percentage than they own. You don't have to like Tua. You can believe that he'll always suck. I don't agree with you and I'm compelled to discuss it. In the end, for most objective minds it comes down to the name of this thread: Tua Is Not The Problem. But you're entitled to your opinion.
     
  37. canesz06

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    Save your breath, Tua groupies won't ever admit that he sucks. Of course once he's traded to another team, these same people will be calling him a bum.
     
  38. pumpdogs

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    What do u mean by wins and stats.
    Burrow has the more important stats meaning yds,Tds,
    Average per attempt and they just won the AFC north and j Tua just choked second year in a row to get a playoff spot.I don't understand your point?
     
  39. The_Dark_Knight

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    It’s not a trick question. Take a look at Tannehill and the Titans. This season, statistically speaking, Tannehill’s stats are really no more remarkable than Tagovailoa and yet…

    The Titans are going to the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.

    The Titans have won their division (barring an implosion next week) 2 years in a row.

    And their first playoff run with Tannehill went all the way to the AFC Championship.

    I don’t know about you or anyone else, but I’d rather have that “average” quarterback with the record the Titans have had the last 3 years than what we have now…and that comes with the building of a complete team.
     
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    Tua has a better completion percentage than them because he hardly every throws deep. His bread and butter is 7 yard slants. Burrow and Herbert are slinging the ball all over the field and throw deep all the time. Tua has a better win percentage than them? What does that mean? Cincy won their division and if I had to bet, id say that the Chargers will make the playoffs.
     
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