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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. This hits on the point that you if you can find a good QB that can stay on the field, it's important to keep him. Ben hasn't been a top 10 QB for most of his career and was probably Pittsburgh's best player once or twice, but he's been solid and good enough to help his team win with the right cast around him. Miami's inability to find a QB who could play well for more than two years in a row is inexplicable and if not the reason for our failure, a symptom of it.

    It fits here because IMO, a team that historically failed to find a decent QB now has a fan base debating over what constitutes "decent" and why that is or is not good enough.
     
  2. OwesOwn614

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    Personally, I don't think anybody pressured him into putting Tua on the field last year. I think he wanted to see what he had and was willing to move on if he didn't like what he saw (which he didn't). Flo is the most reactionary coach we've seen and he'll replace players and coaches quickly if he doesn't have faith in them. We've seen it with the roster and we've seen it with his coaching staff. I think he knows how TB12 helped Belichick's career and he's not willing to try to win games with a QB that's not the best player on his team. I think he's going to wind up with the Giants with the #5 and #7 picks (along with Daniel Jones and a couple second rounders) going to Houston. Everybody would be happy.
     
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  3. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    "Harder worker" is subjective. I'd be more surprised that a QB with limited size and arm strength and a questionable work ethic would be recruited by every major school in the NCAA, start for the top program in its strongest era in history, win a championship and play for another. Nothing wrong with how this young man works out or he wouldn't be where he is right now.
     
  4. OwesOwn614

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    He wanted Kyle Van Noy to begin with. Also wanted Shaq Lawson and Ereck Flowers. And Chan Gailey and a bunch of other coaches who are long gone. I'm not blaming him for anything, just pointing out how quickly he gives up on personnel.
     
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  6. pumpdogs

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    Not according to coach Flores.
    Of course he is used to Tom Bradys work ethic.
    And wait did he with his great work ethic not even know the playbook last year?
     
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  7. resnor

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    No player EVER worked hard through high school and college, then slacked off once he had a contract.
     
  8. Silverphin

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    Tua's own words.

    “I didn’t actually know the playbook necessarily really, really good, and that’s no one else's fault but my fault. Our play calls were simple when I was in. I didn’t have alerts and checks. Where now, I feel comfortable and I can maneuver my way through these things now.”

    https://sports.yahoo.com/tua-tagovailoa-admits-he-didnt-fully-grasp-dolphins-playbook-as-a-rookie-221942638.html#:~:text=“I didn't actually know,way through these things now.”

    Also in that same article.

    "A rookie quarterback needing time to grasp the complexities of an NFL playbook is not on its own cause for alarm. Some rookies (see: Justin Herbert) dive right into the NFL and find immediate success. Other quarterbacks (see: Drew Brees) struggle early in their careers before developing into All-Pro passers."

    Some people take time a little bit longer to learn a playbook than others. That statement is not indicative of how much or how little effort they put into learning it.
     
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  9. OwesOwn614

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    Don't harsh their mood, man. They think Tua's a tiny, nonathletic, dimwit who worked beyond his limitations until he made it to the NFL and suddenly prefered golf to football because that makes sense. Somehow.
     
  10. canesz06

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    Dimwit you say? Hmmmm......

    Alabama's Tua Tagovailoa reportedly recorded a 13 on the Wonderlic test that was the lowest score by any quarterback in the 2020 NFL draft class.

    Bob McGinn of The Athletic reported the update Friday and noted "some teams are more concerned than others" about the test result.
     
  11. Fireland

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    He scored a 19 at the combine. 3 points higher than Marino.
     
  12. Silverphin

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    Still scored 13 the first time he took it.
     
  14. OwesOwn614

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    ...in 2018. Stop trying so hard.
     
  15. KeyFin

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    People somehow forget that Tua was rehabbing his rookie year and not actively practicing with the team. He had no mini camp and he had no preseason. Those are HUGE factors for any rookie, much less a QB.

    Plain and simple, Tus started too early. He didn't do well and under the circumstances, that's not a surprise. In year two, he did very well with the state of the offense. He hasn't "proven" himself either way yet, but to me he's trending in the right direction. Year three will tell us quite a bit about his trajectory...but it will also tell us quite a bit about this team in general.

    If it's a down year in 2022 then I think we're getting pretty darn close to rebuild mode, which will set the franchise back another 3-5 years. My worry is more on receivers, linemen, and running backs at this point.
     
  16. canesz06

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    Ok, so he was an idiot in 2018 and now he's a genius. Got it. Maybe taking the same test a second time helped? Maybe be should have tried harder. We all know his work ethic stinks
     
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  17. Sceeto

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    So, you're finally starting to come around. Good job. :up:
     
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  18. OwesOwn614

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    Unless you can find Herbert and Burrow's 2018 Wonderlich, you're just flailing for reasons to diss somebody at this point. And if not grinding on your off days means you have a sad work ethic, I'd bet money you belong in the same category. You're trying too hard and it's kind of sad.
     
  19. pumpdogs

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    This dude was said to be more Qb ready than any QB in the draft.Drew brees went 2nd not pick 5.
     
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  20. plc001

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    Herbert, 39
    Burrow, 34

    EDIT: Not sure how reliable this is. Just a quick google. Same site had Tua with a 13, so its at least corroborating that data.
     
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  21. OwesOwn614

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    2018 Wonderlic. Stay with us.
     
  22. canesz06

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    What do Herbert and burrow have to do with this? You specifically mentiomed Tua and him not being a dimwit. I posted something to the contrary, that leads to him actually being a dimwit. Try to stay on subject here.
     
  23. canesz06

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    Ok, let's say that Tua Einstein scored a whopping 19 in 2018. Burrows and Herbert's scores were still way better than his. Maybe that's why their QB skills are far superior to tuas
     
  24. Sceeto

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    Herbert majored in Biology.
     
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    Who. Cares.

    Wonderlic is garbage.
     
  26. resnor

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    It's not that people forget he was recovering.

    It's that REGARDLESS some of have never seen, in college or otherwise, a skillset and a QB who has elite potential.
     
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  27. Sceeto

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    Really, Key? You did see his last couple of games to end the year, correct?
     
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    Yes, I did....against the Pats and the Titans as they competed for top seeds in the playoffs.

    Year 2 Tua was clearly better than year 1 Tua. More anticipation, better accuracy, better movement in the pocket. It's not a shocker that our biggest rival and a top AFC team figured out that we throw short to Waddle 25+ times a game. Tua played below average but it was not all on Tua (and certainly not on Waddle).

    I'll also point out that Tua doubled Tannehill for yards, attempts, etc. because we had no other choice...the Titans played a better game.
     
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  29. plc001

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    Sorry, I only scored a 13 on the wonderlic....
     
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  30. Sceeto

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    Yeah and I am certain the rest of the league have figured that out as well as I said they would. He's going to have to get a lot more in his limited arsenal if he is going to have any success at all.
     
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  31. Fireland

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    Guess that explains why Marino was so bad
     
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    I was being facetious. Their scores have no correlation to how superior their skills are to tuas. But the guy did score a 13. He's clearly not very smart. Maybe Marino is as dumb as a box of hair but who cares. He could throw a football arguably better than anyone. Tua is a bad QB and not very bright. We sure picked a good one
     
  33. KeyFin

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    I absolutely agree- he has to improve and the team around him has to improve as well.
     
  34. OwesOwn614

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    LOL. Most underclassmen probably score low on the test. Dan Marino (as mentioned before) scored low after he graduated. Personally, I wondered if the two QBs who are allegedly heads and shoulders above Tua had sky high Wonderlic exams three years before they were drafted. Should have figured your obsession and interest in dimwits was only toward #1 guy.
     
  35. OwesOwn614

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    You know that.

    I know that.

    But don't spoil the fun for everybody.
     
  36. OwesOwn614

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    That guy sucked. Ray Finkle had a higher Wonderlic than Dan Marino.
     
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    Marino was great because of his natural physical talent and and instincts, not his smarts. In terms of Xs and Os, Marino was never great, that was one of his weaknesses. His physical gifts made up for his lack of smarts.

    Tua on the other hand has neither the natural physical talent Marino had, nor the smarts to compensate for his lack of talent.
     
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  38. hitman8

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    If you have Marino level talent, then the wonderlick doesn't matter much. However, if you don't have Marino's natural talent (and Tua certainly does not) then the wonderlick does matter.
     
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    Someone posted their scores a few posts up. They were in the mid/upper 30s. So not only are they FAR superior to him talent wise, they are MUCH more intelligent then him as well. Looks like we drafted a no talent dolt
     
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  40. OwesOwn614

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    Dan Marino was a talented dolt?
     
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