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Tua is not the Problem

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  1. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    "Unnamed Dolphins defender".
     
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  2. cbrad

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    The original article is far more interesting. It tells of stuff I didn't hear about before (of course this is Omar Kelly so who knows lol):
    https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/...animous-and-it-could-hurt-search-for-coach-2/

    Check out these quotes about Tannehill in 2014:
    And of course the quotes about Tua:
    Well.. good to know the players at least understand how crucial it is to have a true franchise QB. Offseason will be interesting (or sad lol).
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    They're going to have some second rate head coach and Teddy Bridgewater playing quarterback for them next year and a completely uninteresting and unwatchable 6-11 season.
     
  4. JJ_79

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    Don't know about Bridgewater but I think the rest is right on the spot...
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Pick any terrible stop gap veteran the unqualified head coach will feel safe with, this is where it's heading.
     
  6. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Omar is finally starting to admitt he was wrong about Tua and he flat out had a man crush on him coming out of Bama.
     
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  7. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Tua might get another chance, but we’ll see…
     
  8. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, let's just ignore Tua's own teammates and coaches saying he's not the answer, and let's trust grift Grier and clown Ross instead. Two guys who know next to nothing about football and what it takes to win...
     
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  9. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Should we instead ignore there aren't really a lot of good options to replace him?
     
  10. plc001

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    “He can’t make every throw,” one prominent defender said before reminding me he watched Tagovailoa every day, not just on game days. “He’s only going to take us so far. I’m wasting my career here if that’s what we’re doing!”

    This is the second person stating tua doesn’t do what’s necessary between games to be successful. Flores being the first. Painting a pretty terrible picture of the QB. Ugh. I’m losing hope in the potential of this offseason.
     
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  11. pumpdogs

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    I would have to agree with that.We will end up with a second rate coach because we have second rate owner and no real QB would come here.
    My guess is in the 2023 draft we try to draft Tuas replacement and Ross will **** that up also.
    I sound negative but we are now on par with the Detroit Lions over the last 2 decades
    Ross sell the ****ing team!
     
  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    They're saying exactly what I said about Tua.

    Interesting about the receivers and Tannehill.
     
  13. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Tanking with Tua. I'm all in. Let's make that 1st rounder in 2023 top 5.
     
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  14. Dolfanalyst

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    That was one of the potential issues about Tua after his rookie season. The refrain about him was that he wasn't recognizing that receivers were "NFL open" (in comparison to "college open") and consequently not making throws to open receivers he should have. That was billed as a recognition problem (i.e., a primarily mental one), whereas it was just as possible it was a primarily physical problem stemming from his awareness on some level of his inability to generate the velocity on his throws necessary to complete passes into those smaller windows, before defenders more quickly closed those gaps (again in comparison to college).

    You have Josh Allen who makes every throw in the book, some of them ill-advised, because of the confidence he has in his arm strength. Tua may be at the other end of that spectrum, where his range of throws is far more narrow owing to his awareness of his arm's weakness on the other hand.
     
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  15. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Nah.Will **** that up like usual.Start out 0-7 and then end up winning meaningless game like every year and the stud QB will just be out of reach and will draft another mediocre QB so we can win 8 or 9 games for the next 3 years and then the cycle will repeat itself until I die.
     
  16. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Anybody notice David mills on a worse team than the dolphins has almost identical stats to Tua?
    Yds. Tds. .int Qbr
    Mills. 2664. 16. 10. 88.1

    Tua. 2653. 16. 10. 90.1
     
  17. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Funny enough. Mills was ranked higher than Tua out of HS. He just didn't go to the right college.
     
  18. pumpdogs

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    And it only cost them a 3rd rd pick instead of the 5 th pick in the entire draft.
     
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    Ha. I had him in my mock with our third or fourth rounder.
     
  20. pumpdogs

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    Who did we take there?Was it long?
     
  21. Sceeto

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    Yeah, pretty sure. Ugg
     
  22. RGF

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    If these quotes are credible- and I tend to believe they are- then we just need to move on from Tua. I like Tua but have no long term confidence he's the one. Coaches and players saying he has limitations is all I need to be convinced. They're around him everyday, I'm not.
    I know a lot of people don't want to hear it but if we kept Flores and acquired Watson we'd be instant contenders.
     
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  23. OwesOwn614

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    Personally, I think the quote is disingenuous. If that player was a free agent and his only offer came from Carolina or Cleveland, do you think he'd sign with one of them or complain off the record that he's wasting his career? I'm cool with the lack of attribution, but this sounds like one of Flo's disciples grumbling about the same thing Flo complained about. I'd bet money, whoever this player is, he's echoing something he heard from Flores and if so, we're screwed - right or wrong. And if Flo was carrying his grievance about a player into the locker room, his termination was necessary.
     
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  24. pumpdogs

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    Just like I thought in that day and age you are not going to SB with game manager Qb
     
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  25. pumpdogs

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    And **** you Flores for putting Fitz in 2019 costing us Burrow!**** U and **** u!
     
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  26. texanphinatic

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    So much for Elite Tannehill.
     
  27. cbrad

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    Yup.. once again: Tannehill can't overcome adversity, and unless you get really lucky you're not winning a SB with such a QB.

    Basically it's around 1 in 7 SBs you can say are won without a great QB or a QB that played great that year. This year looks like no exception. If 49ers and Buffalo lose, all remaining QBs are either proven elite (Brady, Mahomes, Rodgers) or playing elite this year (Burrow, Stafford). And Allen has shown promise of getting into that higher level category (this year he was only slightly above average).
     
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  28. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    We certainly led the Burrow race for the better part of that 2019 season. This franchise continues to screw themselves with stuff like that dating all the way back to Brees. We led the Luck race too and then Matt Moore happened. It's Tuas job next year, but he'll be on a short leash and I'm not entirely opposed to taking another quarterback early in this draft. If Kenny Pickett or Malik Willis is still sitting there when our pick comes around in the draft, we have to at least think about it. I'm not giving up on Tua, but I'm far from comfortable with him.
    It would be beneficial for him to put all this drama behind him and focus solely on his craft. This year three is going to be huge for him and from the sound of things, he's got a lot of things from work ethic to arm strength to clean up.
     
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    Just to cheer things up a bit (sarcasm).. we're not getting another opportunity like that for quite awhile. This team has many good pieces in place, and any new HC should be capable of getting 9 wins minimum right off the bat. If this new HC fails it will be at least 3-5 years I think before we have a similar opportunity, and note the opportunity has to happen in the right year. Both Jacksonville (if they hypothetically wanted to move away from Lawrence) and Detroit this year are screwed because it's not the right year to pick a QB.
     
  30. Chupacabra

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    Wasn’t he a rookie this past season?
     
  31. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Yes sir;
     
  32. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Jimmy G defeated Aaron Rodgers. That settles that debate.
     
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    Must say Rodgers is a choker in playoffs.
    4 number 1 seeds and 4 losses
    Brady and mahomes he is not!Not sure why I was.suprised but I am.
     
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  34. pumpdogs

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    Not
    And your debate is you still have Burrow,Brady,Stafford,Mahomes,Allen in your debate so don't claim victory in your pathetic Tua debate yet.
    Unless Jimmy G wins whole thing.
     
  35. OwesOwn614

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    But... but... but a game manager can't win a Super Bowl.

    **Cough cough - Brad Johnson!!** **Cough cough - Trent Dilfer!!** Sorry, my throat got dry just now.
     
  36. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Great win by the 49ers. I'll still take Aaron Rodgers over 30 other quarterbacks currently in the game. In fact, come on down to Miami Aaron.
     
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    It's not that they literally can't win the SB (obviously), it's that the probability of winning VASTLY decreases. How many such cases can you name in the last 20 or so years? Basically 3: Dilfer, Johnson and Peyton the 2nd time around. Otherwise, every SB was won by a team with a QB that is generally considered elite or a QB that played really well that year. And very important: the team had to rely on that QB to help win them a key game. It's not just that the QB didn't "lose" the game, he actually had to overcome adversity.

    Point is: you want to increase the odds, not decrease them. And the difference in odds is HUGE between your Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes types compared to Tannehill or Garropolo. And we'll see if Garropolo can win the SB. He hasn't yet.
     
  38. TheHighExhaulted

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    Aaron Rodgers last game 20/29 225 yards 0 TD's

    Davis Mills last game 23/33 301 yards 3 TD's
     
  39. texanphinatic

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    Depends on the price. More than a pair of first rounders and I'm really hesitant. Dude just has NOT been getting it done in the playoffs. He would instantly make us a 12+ win team and challenge Buffalo for the East title, but him against elite pressure defense and he collapses and just looks and plays disinterested.
     
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