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Sean Payton

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by tirty8, Jan 23, 2022.

  1. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    It seems like the rumors are this morning that his future in NO is in doubt. To me, this is an absolute no-brainer. I would be on the phone right now and be offering our first round pick and potentially more to land Payton.

    I could not think of a better guy for Tua. I really think that this would be the time to act aggressively and to not overthink things.
     
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  2. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    How about the saints keep Payton and we trade Tua there.
     
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  3. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    Hahahaha...

    In all seriousness, NO is wayyy over the cap. I think Sean wants out for a reason.
     
  4. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Lol
    Yea I'm sure he does.Not easy winning without a QB as many coaches have learned.
     
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  5. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Pederson or him and I would actually be excited for the future...
     
  6. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    We would have to give up some major picks for that to happen since he’s under contract. Oh we don’t have any good ones this year that’s right… thanks Grier
     
  7. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    We would definitely need to offer more than "our" first rounder this year. Likely this year's first and at least 1 of the two we have next year, probably a pair of second rounders and maybe more.
     
  8. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Is Drew Brees from 5-6 years ago coming with him? Sometimes I wonder how much of it is the coach vs getting a HoF QB. I guess you could say Billick, Ditka or Gruden did it without great QB’s.
     
  9. cbrad

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    The ones that win SBs without great QBs (or a QB that played great in the SB winning year) are the exception not the rule. In general you need the great QB, especially the closer you get to the present day where it's far more of a passing league than 40 years ago.

    Belichick is providing us with one of the best examples of what one of the greatest coaches can or cannot do without a great QB. So far in NE without Brady, Belichick is 35-35 in the regular season and 0-1 in the postseason. With Brady it's 219-64 in the regular season (77.4% win%) and 31-11 in the postseason (73.8% win%).

    So with Brady Belichick wins 3 out of 4 games, without him only 50%. This is pretty damning for one of the greatest coaches ever.
     
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  10. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think 2020 is hard to evaluate his coaching because he had so many players sit out due to Covid. Plus it’s pretty clear if you have one of the worst QB’s(Newton) in the league, you’re going to struggle.
     
  11. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I am absolutely interested in doing what it takes to hire Payton. He is one of the best offensive minds of the past several decades, and FWIW the QB that Tua is most often compared to in an optimistic way is Brees.

    Between his time as OC of the Giants and then HC of the Saints, he had a top 9 offense for 15 straight seasons. The Dolphins haven't finished in the top ten since Shula was HC, and have only finished at 15 or above three times since 1999.

    The Saints are going to be torn apart and fall into squalor very soon. There's little doubt that he would probably like to get out. If someone is going to take him, I want it to be us. This is honestly not that different than what happened with KC getting Andy Reid as far as timing and age, and that's worked out pretty well for those guys.
     
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  12. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    KC didn't have to trade draft/player assets for Reid though. That's a pretty large difference imo, but it may still be worth doing.
     
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  13. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Of course. But they struck when the opprotunity was there. Those don't come along all that often.
     
  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Far too often, the importance of the head coach is overlooked. All we hear, especially on these boars is quarterback quarterback quarterback. Did Payton and Brees have a symbiotic relationship? Sure, but to say Payton’s success was tied solely to Brees is silly. If that was the case, Brees would have been a Charger his entire career.

    I would be all in for Payton as our HC. It’s not going to happen though. Payton is a proven winner and the dysfunction of our front office proves that if there is conflict between the HV and the GM, we know who’s going to win out. Grier isn’t going to put himself in that position where he is exposed as the team’s problem.

    No, look for yet another unproven first time rookie head coach that Grier can continue bullying, overriding his decisions and at the end of the day, blame him for the team’s mediocrity while keeping our sleastack of an owner wrapped around his finger.
     
  15. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    I kinda want to shoot this post back up to the top for further discussion.

    I keep hearing that the Dolphins are striving to be a world class organization from bottom to top. I honestly could not think of a better coach than Sean Payton for Tua AND the team as a whole. I would have zero hesitation sending a first round pick and more to NO for Sean Payton.

    The problem is that Payton is probably not coaching next year.

    I think that if we truly were a world class organization, we should make an unorthodox move to land a great coach. I would seek permission to contact him and make this proposal. I would trade for him and ask him to put a staff together. Assuming someone like Dennis Allen is on his staff, I would allow for him to be an interim coach for a year. I think that would be a win-win-win situation. I cannot recall any other team other the Dolphins giving him a second look as a HC after he was fired. I think that this would be a fantastic opportunity for Allen to show teams that he is worthy of a second opportunity, and perhaps if he does a good job, he might start getting looks in the future.

    If I were Ross, I would really demonstrate to Payton how great of an organization we are. I would pay him for this year and tell him to be good to himself and recharge the battery. I would tell him that he could be involved with the team as much or as little as he would like. If he wants to spend the next year in Cabo with no cell phone and no TV, great. If he wants to come in and help design offenses and defenses, offer draft input, and occasionally have a meeting with his staff - wonderful. I would let him set the tone.

    This may sound far-fetched, but I really think that it is incredibly doable.
     
  16. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    This is something you say in an executive board meeting because it's expected. Everyone nods and smiles, knowing full well that the person who said it is stroking his own ego and that only thing that matters is winning.

    The Dolphins are not a world-class organization and we never will be under a passive owner. We were world-class under Robbie and Shula because they worked towards a singular goal. You can't have world-class and politics combined- it's one or the other. The good news, however, is that you don't need all the politics and backstabbing when a team is winning.

    Just watch "The Last Dance" to get a better idea of how this works- one idiot in the room that doesn't feel like he gets enough credit can topple a dynasty- even when it's the Bulls with Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, etc. Stephen Ross is that idiot in our organization.
     
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  17. Deus ex dolphin

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    Given the Saints are more than $70 million over the cap? In a perfect world, I'd love to see a trade for Payton and a handful of Saints players. New Orleans gets much needed cap relief and extra picks for the rebuild they are going to be doing, while Miami fills in their roster gaps with proven players. A couple OL and Kamara for example, plus their MLB Davis? I know some of these guys will be free agents, but if they like playing for Payton it would give Miami a huge advantage in signing them.

    Essentially, much of the cap space the Phins have will go to Saints players coming over to us (and Ogbah/Gesicki) and it would be worth a first and change to make it happen. Cut a deal with the Falcons for Ridley (conditional 2023 second rounder) and you've got an amazing team on paper.

    Tua would be the big question mark, but if Sean thought he could make it work with him and given all the talent around Tua at that point? I'd feel good about our chances.

    It's a dream, I know.
     
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