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I was literally just talking about this

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Jan 30, 2022.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    If I remember correctly Marino dropped because of his partying in college and that included coke rumours .
     
  2. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Herbert also received scrutiny for personality issues, too introverted, maybe not a good locker-room guy/leader.
    He was often seen as the possible top QB choice at the beginning of the run up to the draft but was overtaken by Tua and then Burrow, following their success and, IIRC, a lack luster final season.
     
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  3. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    same level of talent? I would take Chase\Higgins\TE\Mixon over our guys. Waddle of course is amazing. Bengals also had a DE that got 14 sacks.
     
  4. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I think one of the issues with our defense is we struggled getting pressure consistently. Phillips showed some promise but he disappeared at times. Part of my concern with our defense is the Cover 0 masked some personnel issues with our pass rushers. One of the keys to being successful is being able to get pressure with 4 people which we didn’t really do.
     
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  5. plc001

    plc001 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Isn’t that kind of the point of coaching, minimizing weaknesses maximizing strengths… we fuss at coaches all the time when they don’t do it, and we fuss at coaches when they do.

    i agree we had to run cover 0 to get pressure, but we have the CBs to do it. Imagine what we could do one more pass rusher!
     
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  6. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. But we got rid of the architect of that defense so what are we left with? I know the hope is that stays the same and an offense whisper comes in and turns the dumpster fire that is our offense into something. I don’t think we have the firepower or the person in charge of personnel to do it.

    My only hope is Harbaugh.
     
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  7. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    that is what scares me, the good part of the team (defense) is ruined and we now have to bad parts.
     
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  8. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    He's 5'10" 185. He's bigger than the Marks bros... He's the same size as Tyreke Hill. Waddle isn't an X receiver, but he can certainly play Z.


    Waddle is absolutely in the same class. WR is arguably the most dependent position. We didn't have the o-line to block to allow longer developing routes and some would argue the QB to get him the ball on deep and intermediate routes. The fact that Waddle could still be so effective despite being forced into the Jarvis Landry slot role, and while being the only consistent weapon on our team, is proof that he's a complete WR. His acceleration, deceleration, and top speed are a rare and special combination. His game hasn't even become close to being unlocked. The surface has just been scratched.
     
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  9. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    His acceleration and deceleration are indeed rare, but his top speed is not. I saw him get caught from behind on more the one occasion during the season. He's fast, but I wouldn't say he is one of the fastest receivers in the leugue.

    I also saw him play on the boundary, and he was less than overwhelming. He is too small to be a consistent boundary receiver. His skills are prefect for the slot though.
     
  10. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Waddle had the fastest GPS time of any player in the NCAA. Also, ran neck and neck with Henry Ruggs on 40 yard dash races (Ruggs timed 4.28 at the combine). No way he's less than 4.35. Even speedsters can be caught with the right angles.
     
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  11. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    You and a few Miami fans are the only people that think that. Chase is not only the best WR in this draft class but he might very well be the best WR in the NFL right now.

    I’ll give you that Waddle was limited by our OL and QB but if had this world class acceleration or deceleration that should have resulted in a couple more short or intermediate passes that were taken to the house. Im not saying he’s not good but it’s time to take off the aqua and orange colored glasses.
     
  12. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I didn't say he was better than Chase. I said he's in his class. Waddle carried our entire offense this season. He had more on his shoulders and consistently made plays for us, despite little help. I know the YPC is lower than we would like, but Tyreke only had 1.5 yards more per catch. That's with Maholmes. That's not indicative of overall ability.

    And let's not pretend Chase didn't have a 7 game stretch where he caught 26 balls for 284 yards... That did happen. Chase is a stud, but he's not out of Waddle's class. They're just different flavors of WR.
     
  13. Sceeto

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    Yes! I totally agree. I’ve said it many times.

    …and everything went perfect that year.
    We just picked the wrong QB.
     
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  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Ok, so let me get Tbilisi straight…

    Miami fires Adam Gase because we were losing. They fire Gase, hire Flores and expect a new first time head coach, coming from a championship dynasty (I just puked in my mouth typing that) and you expect him to…lose???

    Hell, if that’s what you wanted, you could have kept Gase, traded all of those players away like they did, completely bottom out, THEN…fire Gase and being in the head coach you “wanted”

    No, this organization is jacked up to the highest level of jacktivity. They hire a head coach because we’ll…a team has to have a head coach but in reality, they want just a “yes man” to do what they want.

    Is have more respect for Grier if he names himself as the head coach GM so he could be fully exposed but alas, that’s never going to happen. He’s the puppet master pulling the strings of the puppet head coach and then blame him when the team fails
     
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  15. MikeHoncho

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    Burrow would probably fail here. Can’t build an offensive line worth a damn. Can’t even get competent coaches with competent scouts in place.
     
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  16. MikeHoncho

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    Amen. This right here. Couldn’t have said it better.
     
  17. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    The Bengals have the 5th best rushing defense and overall are on par with Miami's. To suggest that Miami has more weapons on offense is just crazy. The Bengals have Chase (top 2-3 WR) and Mixon (3rd leading rusher in the league). And the Bengals O-Line is nowhere near as bad as Miami's.

    And even though Burrow has better weapons and a better O-line, he was sacked at a rate nearly double that of Tua's and had a higher INT% than Tua.

    Now, I'm not sold on Tua. I DO think that Burrow (and Herbert) will have better careers, but pretending that Burrow or Herbert carried their teams, or is far ahead of Tua right now just isn't true. I mean, the Chargers and Miami finished the season with the same record and Cinci had one more win in the regular season. Granted, wins are not QB stats, but it's objectively certain that both the Chargers and Bengals have been better coached and have the overall better teams.
     
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  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    In general, I agree. I would say it's clear that Burrow> Tua. And yes, Herbert > Tua as well early on. But we haven't seen Tua with the right coaching staff and the right offense around him. I mean, Chase didn't have a big game in the conference championship, it was their #2 receiver who hauled in so many clutch catches on important downs (sorry, don't know names on that roster). We just don't have a full offense at the moment.

    I don't think Tua will ever surpass Burrow but I also think Burrow is exceptional. However, Tua could legitimately have a better career than Herbert because of his accuracy. We only have one receiver to exploit that though. Gisecki, Parker, Williams, etc. are the wrong types of receivers for what Tua does well...at least with the current state of our protection. Protect the kid and grab a few more quick separation receivers. Let the route trees open up at all three levels, and then we can talk.
     
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  19. plc001

    plc001 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When he throws 30 yards down field... he sure makes it look like he's putting in a lot of work\effort to get the ball there. Maybe it's because he's smaller, but I don't notice that with Wilson. Maybe it's the left arm throw. Either way, appearences aren't very convincing that he has the tools. I'm not an expert, just stating what I've noticed.
     
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  20. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    I know what you mean. However, some of my arm strength concerns have been alleviated by reading those who do know what they’re looking at and for the most part none are concerned about his arm strength. Meaning, he can make all the throws. Granted, he’s not going to be able to do that off platform (Mahomes and Allen), but if he can get his feet set he can do it and do it with accuracy.
    My main concerns about Tua is that he seems soft. Not soft physically, but mentally. It’s almost like he’s going through the motions and doesn’t have that desire or drive. That concerns me with such a young player.
     
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  21. plc001

    plc001 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm your opinion how does mentally soft show itself on the field? Or is this more of a statement against his game preparation that has been made by flores and other unnamed sources?
     
  22. KeyFin

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    If you saw Burrow on the sideline as KC drove the field and tied the game with less than a minute left, that's mental toughness. He wasn't scared or worried, he was laser focused on the clock and taking the lead back. Burrow's basically a rookie after the injury his first year, but he has that mental toughness in spades.

    Call it the "eye of the tiger" or whatever...he's got it and it's special. All the great ones have it.

    Tua, I don't generally see that in him. He's more happy go lucky, content with fate and not burning with desire. That doesn't mean he doesn't have it, but Burrow is on an entirely different level in knowing what he can do and believing in himself.
     
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  23. plc001

    plc001 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    in tuas defense, he was practically neutered in front of the team by Flores and the courting of Watson through half the yr. Maybe burrow would show extreme confidence in those conditions, but tua is handling it differently. I felt like he was very confident at Alabama.
     
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