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WR vs OL

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Feb 16, 2022.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    From 55:40 - PFF discuss Sewell vs Chase, OL vs WR, as the better move:

     
  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    A few things here:

    1st, Cinci was leaning towards going OL until Burrow started petitioning HARD for Chase.
    2nd, even with taking Sewell early, the Cinci line still would have stunk. They need 3 to 4 linemen, not just one.
    3rd, this is not a debate of either/or. That team (and every team) needs competent linemen and receivers.

    For the record, I would have taken Chase as well. But I also would have hit free agency hard to protect my QB. It's why they're not SB Champs right now.
     
  3. Galant

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  4. plc001

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    It's also why their star QB is limping around this morning.
     
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  5. Galant

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    I thought it was interesting in terms of the nuance. I'd say the major points brought up were:
    The main objective is to maximise wins, not reduce sacks.
    As such, they felt pretty certain Chase helped the Bengals maximise wins even if he didn't help reduce sacks.
    They admitted they were wrong in their expectation that Chase would help get the ball out of Burrow's hands faster - although they think that in principle this could still be true for some WR picks over OL it wasn't the case here.
    Instead, it looks like Chase gave Burrow a solid option when he just needed to throw the ball and trust that Chase would get it.
    They repeated that the ideal here is for the OL to move towards average, and that had they been healthy, the Bengals OL would have been better than it was, but regardless they still need to do that.
    However, in reviewing that specific draft, they're certain that the correct pick was Chase over Sewell, not only in terms of maximising wins, but also if you look at what players were available after the picks were made, there were better OL later than there were WRs. Had they opted for Sewell the WR talent at the second round pick wasn't great. The Bengals whiffed on their OL pick. They could have had Creed Humphrey or a few others that turned out better than the guy they chose.

    So, overall, they are convinced that you want to have an average OL and an excellent WR corps, or at least some excellent talent.
    That providing your QB with an option he can throw to and that guy be reliable and get the ball and do something with it, made all the difference.
    They also mentioned that evaluating OL is more about looking at pressures than sack totals. That is, in general, pressures are the fault of the OL but sacks are the fault of the QB, or at least can be, so you can't judge an OL purely on sack totals. It's better to look at pressures.

    What they didn't touch on was whether injuries suffered to the QB, the long terms performance and reliability, need to be considered when considering maximising wins. In the single season scenario it worked out. But maybe all those sacks become detrimental to wins over time.
     
  6. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Well, in his rookie year he was out for half the season due to injury. He also played hurt in the Super Bowl, so that's two for two in him not playing his best (or playing at all) because of getting leveled in the pocket. I do get what others are saying- try to get OL players performing around average and that's good enough. But what if Burrow wasn't the same QB this season because of the ACL tear last year?

    We've seen this over and over again in the league with highly mobile QB's...they're almost never 10-season players. But that's on the QB himself and the scheme. Players taking that level of abuse in the pocket is a completely different story and it's why you get mega-talented guys like Russell Wilson who push for years to get out the organization they're in. It's almost like playing Russian Roulette...eventually you'll get a bang and it's game over.

    I'm a huge Burrow fan...huge. But he can't survive long-term taking those kinds of hits. Against the Rams, okay, you know pressure is going to be worse than average. He was taking those kinds of beatings all year though.
     
  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, they’ve got one of the best QB’s and WR’s in the league. Now they need to build a wall and let them wreck defenses.
     
  8. OwesOwn614

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