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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Ryan Clark just ripped through Tua's upside on ESPN's NFL Live. Let's hope he's wrong.
     
  2. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Tua is a smaller Samoan version of Jay Fiedler. He’s a game manager.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Good comparison. They are listed one inch and eight pounds apart.

    There was also a game manager in the Super Bowl this year. Let's see what he can do in a more creative offense with better coaching.

    Edit: NFC Championship and Super Bowl a few years ago.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I guess, but I have a sense of humor
     
  5. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    and a much stronger arm.

    Fielder couldn't throw an out pass.
     
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  6. OwesOwn614

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  8. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    That the most cruel thing anyone has said about Tua in this whole thread
     
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  9. Serpico Jones

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    Neither can Tua.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is false.
     
  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Reading this made me think of something that hasn’t crossed my mind in a while…sometimes we all get caught up in the petty arguments that we can’t see the trees for the forest.

    Going back a few years…when the Dolphins drafted Tannehill, what was their plan? What was it about Tannehill the Dolphins liked and what was their plan to build the offense around him? Did they even consider any of this or was the organization simply “yay, we drafted a good quarterback?”

    Same thing with Tagovailoa. What was their plan? What was it about him they liked and did they try to build the offense around his talents…or did they simply say “yay we drafted a good quarterback?”

    You have to go all the way back to the 83 draft when the Dolphins drafted a quarterback in the 1st round in Marino. That was pretty blatantly obvious. The team was good. They had just went to the Super Bowl. Woodley just couldn’t quite cut the mustard and the team needed a better quarterback and they really lucked out with Marino. The team was built with HIS skills sets already in place. Great line, great receivers decent running game and a stout defense.

    When Miami drafted Tannehill and Tagovailoa, the team wasn’t already built for each of these players and it certainly appears to me the organization never really made any effort to bring in the surrounding talent both needed to be able to be instantly successful.

    Hopefully McDaniel is going to be able to persuade the organization to do what it’s not done in years…build the actual team
     
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  12. JJ_79

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    They tried, they just piked up the wrong pieces and had bad coaching + bad management...
     
  13. OwesOwn614

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    Love this post, Bruh. Too many times, players are drafted to plug and play in situations that aren't optimal for them. Tannehill was a QB who was converted from WR and obviously had years of developmental growth ahead. The team should have focused heavily on scheming to his strengths and putting players in place to make that scheme work. I don't know what we did specifically to cater to his strengths or consider his brevity of experience as a QB. I'm not saying we did nothing; I'm saying we clearly didn't do enough. I see the same situation for Tua right now. By the way, the Chargers probably didn't do what they could to help Brees succeed. I submit, had Eli not been a derp, losing Brees would have been a colossal failure, so it's good they eventually finagled Philip Rivers. Both Manning and Rivers found themselves in optimal situations.

    The thing that amazes me about the fans who are ready to move on from Tua is the fact that it's not as easy to find the right guy as they're pretending. You'd think we would have learned that after 20+ years of being unable to do it. I like hearing McDaniel talk about Tua, not because I think he has the answers but because I think he at least has a logical approach toward coaching to his quarterback's strengths. I earnestly believe that 20% of draft failures could have succeeded if they just found the right team. And I have a suspicion that if we had another year of Godsey/Studesville, Tua would be at best the player he was this past season. If the team follows up with what we've heard the past couple of weeks and Tua fails to make the leap, it's probably best that he find his path forward with another team.

    It's going to be a long offseason because I can't wait to see what gets unwrapped and rolled out when exhibition season begins.
     
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  14. OwesOwn614

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    What exactly is the point of posting this nonsense stat with no context? Do you seriously think Tua is as good at throwing long as Herbert? Do you know this is based on 14 of 29 passes with only 1 TD for tua, and 31 of 64 with 9 TDs for Herbert?

    Are you aware that Tua only throws long when it's a busted coverage or his man is wide open?
     
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  16. OwesOwn614

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    Neither of those is a bad situation. It's bad if your QB forces the ball into narrow windows. You just gave the context that made the stat impressive. The fact that other QBs presumably throw the ball deep more often with lower % is evident that either they're more reckless or Tua's receivers don't get wide open with regularity.

    Stop trying so hard to hate. He's got plenty of areas of opportunity to legitimately criticize him for.
     
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  17. hitman8

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    I'm not trying to hate, I'm just being realistic. Why don't you stop being such a homer and Tua lover and stop posting misleading cherry picked stats.

    Sometimes you have to make the hard throws down field to win games, especially the big games. Tua has never shown he can do that.
     
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  18. OwesOwn614

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    I'm just suggesting you make your point in a way that doesn't make you look challenged from an objectivity standpoint. You did better with this post, but calling others names shows that you have bought into your narrative now and would rather beef than debate. I've posted plenty of things critical of Tua. But of course, you wouldn't be aware of that.
     
  19. TheHighExhaulted

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    Why can't you have a debate without calling everyone a "homer" and "Tua lover"?

    Why can't you just admit when presented with the opportunity, Tua has shown he can hit the deep ball? Albeit, far fewer attempts than other quarterbacks. The stats show it.

    The stat posted doesn't read "Tua Tagavailoa is just as good as a deep ball passer than Justin Herbert".
     
  20. Fireland

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  22. resnor

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    It's. Bad. Because. Tua. Can't. Throw. His. Receivers. Open.
     
  23. OwesOwn614

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  24. OwesOwn614

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    But then, there's this:

    :lol:
     
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    Which would be much easier to accept if the guy taken RIGHT AFTER TUA in the same draft, who was preferred by a lot of fans and apparently, by some in the Fins' front office, hadn't shown himself to be a much better QB immediately.
     
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  27. Phil Hutchings

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    Don’t you think that Tyreek (or Jaylen) will be getting wide open?
     
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  28. Phil Hutchings

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    Very interesting and very informative.

    Thanks for posting.
     
  29. hitman8

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    Sure they should get wide open on occasion, but your QB is going to have to make the hard throws sometimes even when they are not, especially to win the big games. Are you confident Tua can do that? Has he shown that to this point? Not IMO
     
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  30. Phil Hutchings

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    With the upgrade in the OLine, yes, I am.
     
  31. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  32. Serpico Jones

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    Tua had the worst stretch of his career after Manning posted that.
     
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  33. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    The Athletic's Jeff Howe reports there's "nothing happening" between Tom Brady and the Dolphins.

    It's not entirely clear what may or may not be happening between the Dolphins and Brady, who un-retired this month after six weeks away from the game. In fact, Bucs general manager Jason Licht said recently that Brady could play for Tampa beyond the 2022 season. Before Brady left New England for the Bucs in 2020, the Dolphins were among the teams vying for Brady's services. Miami going all in on a Super Bowl run -- acquiring Tyreek Hill for a massive draft pick haul -- may generate rumors that they're trying to upgrade at quarterback, which remains a weak spot with Tua Tagovailoa under center.

    Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter
    Mar 25, 2022, 8:14 AM ET
     
  34. KeyFin

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    I really hope this isn't true- I don't want any quarterback for a one-season run, only to see them retire afterwards. If the front office isn't sure on Tua, then grab Mayfield to have two younger QB's battling it out.
     
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    This article may shine some light on that- it sounds like we're not interested in Brady at quarterback. It sounds like the plan was to get him in the front office w/ Sean Payton as the HC but the Flores lawsuit messed all of that up. Sounds like Brady had to destroy yet another cell phone too since it proved Ross was tampering, LOL!

    Might be total fiction, but worth a quick read: https://phinphanatic.com/2022/03/17/confirmed-tom-brady-wanted-go-miami-dolphins/
     
  36. Fireland

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    Brady has been recruiting to the Bucs so the rumor never made any sense

    Now next year on the other hand....
     
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  37. Phil Hutchings

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    I’d hate to see Brady in a Dolphins uniform.

    Apart from the obvious ex-patsies connection, it would be a retrograde step to take a player of his age, when a lot of the squad is relatively young, including our No. 1 QB.
     
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  38. OwesOwn614

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    Well, Mayfield can pitch the ball 70 yards and that's something that appeals to some folks around here.
     
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  39. Serpico Jones

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    Mike Tannenbaum has spent the day ripping Tua on ESPN.
     
  40. Galant

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    Mike T can say what he like from his comfy commentators chair but it's all fluff. The man had his chance to make the Dolphins better and failed. The proof is in the pudding and evidently he can't cook.

    So much hate for Tua it's ridiculous.

    Kyle over at Locked on Phins had a few minutes dedicated to the ridiculous takes offered by the main sports media outlets. He was restrained and polite but they all warrant far harsher criticism.
     
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