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Proposed Over-Time Rules

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Mar 16, 2022.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I don't know why they don't go back to the old way- play 15 minutes and whoever has more points is the winner.
     
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  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Well that would be simple and sensible. Can't have that.

    See catch rules for reference.
     
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  4. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I want them to go back to simple sudden death. First team to score wins. End of game.
     
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  5. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    With the rules so skewed towards offense, especially pass interference calls, I think you need to give both teams a chance to score in OT regardless of what happens with the first possession.
     
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  6. Dan S

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    I'd eliminate overtime for the regular season and just let the games end in a tie. Can't do that in the playoffs obviously so I would keep the current rules there.
     
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  7. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Too much weight towards offense. You'd be heavily favouring whichever team won a simple coin-toss.
    Most defences consider it a win if they can have the opponent's drive end in a field goal.

    As such, if the NFL wants a sudden death element in the first 15 mins of OT, then base it on touchdowns.
    First team to score a touchdown wins, otherwise it's points.

    That would put pressure on the defense to perform but not give too much of an advantage based on a coin toss.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I've always felt that if you can't win the game in regulation, you have no reason to complain. Its your fault that you went to OT. Just get it over with.
     
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  9. Galant

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    That would be true for both teams, and yet one would be given a heavy advantage at random. This isn't the NFL of years gone by, the advantage on offense is significant.

    Let them play.
     
  10. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    How do we get back to how offense and defense played 10 to 15 years ago?

    Those are the rules changes that I want.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

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    It dont even have to be 15 they can do 10..
     
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  12. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    I think the college game has figured out the best and most fair format.

    Change to those rules.
    Admit they figured it out first and move forward.
     
  13. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    True, or unlimited 5 minute overtimes until someone wins. Plenty of room to get creative there.
     
  14. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I hate them and always have. It's not football anymore. It's just weird.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I am for getting rid of overtime in the regular season. With 18 games, might as well have ties.

    Then in the playoffs just have 10 minute quarters until the game ends. Also, eliminate extra points in overtime. Or even take it one step further, punting.
     
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  16. sandcastle

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    With a 17 game schedule, the NFL does not need overtime for the regular season. Whatever the new rules are, limiting and refining it as a tiebreaker to determine which team continues in the playoffs will likely make it seem fairer.

    It should try to replicate the last 5 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarter, which could be done with a 10 minute overtime; divided into halves with the 2 minute rule and timeouts that can used in either half. Basketball has success with its 5 minute overtime as it continues the tight game playing style. Football needs halves as field conditions can favor one direction.
     
  17. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I agree with this wholeheartedly. It stresses the IMPORTANCE of WINNING the game in regulation. If you can’t win in regulation, and can’t stop the opposing team on their first possession of overtime, then you DESERVE to lose.

    And yes this includes my beloved Dolphins.
     
  18. Unlucky 13

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    Last year, I also proposed the idea that teams aren't allowed to punt in OT, and I still feel that way. If you get the ball first and go 3 and out, you're screwed. Adds strategy and almost guarantees a quick finish.
     
  19. KeyFin

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    Huh, you're the 3rd to say that in this thread. I don't think anyone would want to receive first in that scenario! Let the other team get the ball first while we dial up exotic blitzes every down.

    At first, I was highly against this- but it would be a fun experiment. What would change if teams have to play true four-down football? It could actually make it more exciting.
     
  20. Unlucky 13

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    I think that limiting punts in general would go a long ways towards forcing teams to play ten yards at a time, rather than trying for big plays all game long. Thats what real football is to me.
     
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  21. Dorfdad

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    Let’s go with a field goal shootout. Start at the 30 and each kicker gets to kick / move it back 10 yards and first to miss loses
     
  22. KeyFin

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    Agreed. I love seeing the long pass or the gimmick busting wide open, but that's not sustainable. I prefer in your face, smash-mouth football where you dare the opponent to stop what you're good at.

    I've said this over and over again my whole life- if you win the trenches, you generally win the game since the entire offense opens up. Running lanes open up the play action. Play action opens up the quick screens. Those quick screens keep the LB's at home, which makes the run game even more lucrative. Then those safeties are cheating up and someone is wide open deep for the easy score. It's all about balance and everything flows from that offensive line.

    To me, it's the difference between competing (what we've done for 20+ years) and dominating.
     
  23. Dorfdad

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    15 min overtime period. NO Punts you go for it on 4th down. IF you don't convert the other team gets it where it stands. Puts pressure on both teams to move the ball instead of work the clock.
     
  24. Chupacabra

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    just like college rules but you start at the 45 yard line.
     
  25. Galant

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  27. Deus ex dolphin

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    I like the idea of a ten minute OT quarter. Very difficult to run out the clock with one drive, and if you manage that, you deserve the win. In most cases, both teams will possess the ball at least once.

    One rule addition that would help prevent another OT tie though? Mandatory two-point try instead of kicking the extra point.
     
  28. tirty8

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    I have a different approach to the whole debate. I think that the unfairness does not stem from the fact that both teams do not get the ball, it stems that it much of the outcome stems from a coin flip.

    I also get why the NFL is reluctant to do a college style OT or some sort of FG challenge. I agree that resolving a tie on a game that is "not really football" doesn't feel right. I know a lot of people love college OT, but I have always been in the minority. This really hurts teams that built around defense. The college system starts the game just outside of the red zone. But if you think about teams that really value defense, their whole premise is to never let a team get into that position.

    Here is my proposal:

    There is a coin flip. If you win the coin flip and elect to get the ball, you must score. If you don't score. The defending team gets one point, and the game is over. This immediately takes the inherent advantage out of winning the toss. Perhaps, you elect to play defense and see if you can stop your opponent and win.

    The advantages to getting the ball first is that you can score in any form or fashion. The disadvantage is that you cannot go for two. You must kick an extra point.

    If the team that receives the ball first scores in any way, the defending team gets one possession as well. The team receiving the ball second cannot kick field goals. The only way they can score is a TD. They also cannot elect to kick PAT. They must go for two.

    The game ends after this possession. The only possible way that this ends in a tie is if the team that scored first misses a PAT, and the team scoring second misses 2 point conversion. I rarely envision this happening.

    I think that this solves the unfair advantage of winning a coin toss. It also appeases safety concerns because there are, at most, 2 possessions. I imagine a decent amount of games will end with one possession.
     
  29. texanphinatic

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    Am I the only one who doesn't particularly care about "fairness" between teams that couldn't win the game?

    Like, you have four 15 minute quarters. You don't want to be on the bad side of a coin flip, win the damn game.

    It just feels like we are getting way to involved. Like replay and how it was supposed to promote fairness and he this great thing ... Now has turned into the definition of "too much" and people want to scale it back. OT is going the same way at this rate.
     
  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    They should just ban extra points and punting in overtime.
     
  31. KeyFin

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    That's ruthless but I kind of like it. Why one point though? Why not say the defending team gets 3 points immediately and the receiving team is losing at the start of OT. That way, they can play to keep the tie or go for the win- it makes it instantly exciting though.

    The new league, the XFL I think? Anyway, they have some insane rules. You score a TD, and you can go for a standard 1-point kick, a standard 2-point conversion, or a 3-point conversion from the 10. Then afterwards, you can kick off like normal OR take the ball at your own 30-something on a 4th and 22. If you convert there, then it's 1st down and everything is back to normal. I have no idea if this will work as rules or not, but it's an exciting change anyway. Teams could load up on offense and try to never let the other team's O on the field!
     
  32. The_Dark_Knight

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    Amazing how folks crying are causing all of these changes in overtime. Sudden death is the ONLY way to go. It makes winning the game in regulation that much more important. If you can’t win in regulation and you lose in overtime, then you deserve to lose.

    This is going to continue evolving to the point of ridiculousness. What now, each team is guaranteed a possession. Both teams are tied after one possession; next score wins…we’ll wait, they had 2 possessions and we only had one. We should have a 2nd possession. It’s going to go on and on and on.

    Go back to sudden death and suck it up buttercup
     

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