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Marvel Phases 4 & 5 Discussion

Discussion in 'TV, Music and Movies' started by Unlucky 13, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. Claymore95

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    I read today that French actor, Gaspard Ulliel, who plays one of the main antagonists, Midnight Man, in the show, died today in a skiing accident. I saw the news almost straight after watching the trailer too.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-60054237
     
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  2. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Oh that sucks. I'd never heard of the guy, but that's way too young to die.
     
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    This is pretty spot on:
     
  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Um, yo ... that Dr. Strange 2 Electric Boogaloo trailer. WTF?!?!?! That looks insane, I just hope it isn't too much. Marvel has somehow mostly managed to take too much and make it reasonable and enjoyable, but this looks next level.
     
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  5. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Finally saw Far From Home and it was ... just alright. It felt really short, almost weirdly short. It didn't feel very impactful or high-stakes. Too much teenage angst which falls flat for me (Jesus, I'm not even 40 but apparently want everyone off my goddam lawn). Gyllenhaal was just OK as Mysterio. I dunno, it was personally one of the weaker entries to the MCU. I mostly watched it in preparation for finally seeing No Way Home which I am planning to hit in theaters tonight lol. I am mostly planning to see THAT in order to not be left behind by Dr. Strange which appears to heavily flow from the NWH events.

    I do need more Ben Mendelsohn as Talos in my life though. He's a good actor lol.
     
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  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Mendlesohn is fantastic, and he really does a great job as Talos. Fully agree. One of my favorite supporting MCU characters in a while.

    For me, all of the Spiderman movies are just kind of loose fun. The characters are young, and are written that way. There's some amusing, silly parts, and some that are basically embarassing IMO. But its all fine.
     
  7. texanphinatic

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    Well dang #3 kicked it up like 15 notches lol. What a banger, especially when compared with the fairly low stakes in 1-2. There were a few creative liberties to ignore, but overall nothing really detracted from the weight of everything that happened. And wow, it's impressive they did that and pulled it all off. I'm just a little sad they didn't bring in Miles or Gwen, but I guess it's too early for them. In addition to licensing issues I'm sure, ugh.

    Like Thor, Spiderman went from a fairly weak first.two showings to being one of the pinnacle with their 3rd. Glad I finally decided to see it.
     
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  8. Unlucky 13

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    Well, I didn't feel nearly that positively about it, but I'm glad that you liked it! For me, all three Spiderman movies are just kind of in the like-don't-love zone, somewhere below the halfway point of the 27 MCU movies so far. Whereas Ragnarock is not only one of my favorite MCU movies, its one of my favorite movies of all time. It just speaks my language perfectly.

    As for the other Spiderverse characters, anything can happen in the future. Especially with all of the Multiverse stuff happening. I'm very much looking forward to the next animated non-MCU movie though.
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I liked Ragnarock the first time, A LOT. However, watching it a second time the consistent use of Bathos is frustrating. It just isn't as funny if you see the jokes coming.

    I enjoy the first Spider-man and the 3rd Spider-Man more than that. Both of them felt more like movies than a series of jokes.

    I haven't watched the second one a second time.
     
  10. texanphinatic

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    Moon Knight ep 1 (I hate this weekly release format, let me binge damn you!!)

    Thumbs up. It starts weirdly and is very confusing for a good while. I went into this knowing quite little about the character or the comic, so it may be less confusing if you do have that background. Regardless, once Steven gets to the museum and some "normal" banter occurs, it settles down a touch and things start to spool out and start to make sense. I spent the first third of the episode unsure of whether I was enjoying it or not, but by the end I am definitely hooked and want to see where it goes. I (and anyone not versed with the comic) still know startlingly little about any of the characters, but the premise is neat.
     
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  11. Unlucky 13

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    Yeah it was a good start. Very eager to see where it goes from here on out.

    Not convinced that Ethan Hawke needs to look as uncomfortably disheveled as he dies though. Lol.
     
  12. texanphinatic

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    Put glass shards in your shoes and see how put together you can be?

    :chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

    On the other hand, Oscar Isaac is doing his best Tom Hardy from Venom. "Just how sweaty, tired, confused and uncomfortable can I make myself?" A lot, guys, a lot. The parallels between characters are actually pretty close based on my limited knowledge.
     
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    I don't have any interest in Venom, so I haven't seen those.
     
  14. texanphinatic

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    Minor generalized plot spoiler below.


    Guy starts hearing voices, goes a little crazy, gets tired and sweaty, sees stuff in the mirror, realizes he is "possessed/infested/etc", has to let possessor take control to fight baddies.

    Just with Venom it was the Venom symbiote. I'd be more interested in a real Marvel version than Sony. It was ok.
     
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  15. Unlucky 13

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    The Multiverse of Madness happens to release on my anniversary. Since my wife already had requested the day off, I bought tickets to the first show today. No spoilers for me this time!
     
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  16. texanphinatic

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    The wife and I need to wait a few days most likely. Gotta get the grandparents lined up for the kiddo haha. I'm pretty stoked though, the trailers have me totally hooked.
     
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    I haven't even watched one. Trying to keep on total blackout mode with everything to maximize the surprise. The only MCU thing I've paid any attention to in months is Moon Knight.
     
  18. texanphinatic

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    Moon Knight update: post Episode 4.

    Wtf.
     
  19. Unlucky 13

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    Ant Man Quantumania is being moved back to it's original Feb 17, 2023 slot. The entire MCU had been shoved back last Autumn due to general production delays. But now, The Marvels is suffering from even more delays of its own, and so its been shoved from February 2023 (originally early Nov 2022) to late July 2023.

    It's believed that the upcoming Disney+ show Ms Marvel was completely scrapped, rewritten and reshot after the original version wasn't any good, so that's likely at last partly to blame.

    Also, She Hulk still doesn't have an official release window, but its expected to be September/October 2022, in between Thor (July 8) and Wakanda Forever (Nov 11).

    Also, director Jon Watts has left the Fantastic Four project, and Marvel will now need to find a new director and writer, which could push that one back from its expected Summer 2024 window. Watts is still expected back for more Spiderman movies eventually.
     
  20. texanphinatic

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    So the trailer they just released the other week isn't really going to be the show? I know a lot of people were disappointed in the lack of bendy inhuman powers vs whatever magic bracelets she had in the trailer. Not knowing much about the comic character, it did seem very much more of a kid oriented show, which was pretty meh to me.

    So, final verdict on Moon Knight ... it's good! Confusing as all hell, and I still don't think I know what exactly happened, but it was a helluva ride. Some hugely powerful emotional moments, especially in the penultimate episode. They also clearly left it open for either a Season 2 or for MK to join the big movie casts.

    Oscar Isaac absolutely killed this role btw.
     
  21. Unlucky 13

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    What they've shown of Ms Marvel should be what we get. What I meant was that they had previously scrapped a lot of what they were doing and started over. That's why it wasn't released last Winter when it was originally supposed to be.

    And I basically feel the same about Moon Knight. It was well made and Oscar Issac played it really well. But....

    The whole point of the MCU is that it's all completely interconnected. Everything that happens in one show or movie happens in all of the others. (or will happen, if its set in the past) The other shows so far either are tying up loose ends and/or setting up things for the future. But this one doesn't do the former, and may not end up doing the latter either. So....why have a short six episode series that spends a lot of its time setting things up and explaining itself, ends rather abruptly, and then may not ever continue, and never connects to anything else in the MCU in an obvious way?
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Oscar Isaac's ability to play off himself was outstanding. There wasn't a time when I thought they were the same person.
     
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    I was extremely impressed by May Calamaway's scene in the final episode, where she played both Layla and Tawaret in the temple and flipped back and forth between them. She was fantastic, and it added a lot to the episode.

    Continuing a really strong MCU tradition in the past year of excellent performances by supporting actresses who steal the show, with Florence Pugh, Akwafina and Sophi De Martino.
     
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    I know it is silly but I was slightly disappointed that she didn't get hippo powers. Her suit looked cool and all, just wondered why it was bird like when the God was a big hippo.

    I do agree, she was excellent as well.
     
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  25. texanphinatic

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    So yeah it's not specifically interconnected right now, but if they do pull out a season 2, it likely would start to thread itself together and there would be some retconning. I think part of it was they had to keep it somewhat separate because Isaac didn't want to commit to a lengthy role in the vein of Downey or the Chris' or Cummerbund.

    And really, most of the TV shows have been pretty self contained, They mostly featured folks who we saw in more minor movie roles get expanded, while the story didn't really bring in or rope in any other "major" assets.
     
  26. Unlucky 13

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    I read today where there could/should have been not one, but two different MCU cameos in Moon Knight (they didn't say who), and the director didn't want them. BOOOO! The best thing about the MCU is the interconnectivity! I'm sad about it.

    As far as Isaac goes, he's a great actor and did a terrific job, but if you don't want to make multiple shows and movies, then don't sign up. Its Marvel, and everyone knows the deal. It would be a real shame if the character isn't back for multiple things in the future.
     
  27. KeyFin

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    Okay, who's rushing out to see Dr. Strange? I'll probably go sometime this weekend since he's my favorite recent hero. Of the non-spoiler reviews I've read, this plays out like the 1st Marvel horror movie...which has me pretty darn excited. Everything I've read also says NOT TO LOOK AT THE SPOILERS because this movie throws a lot at you. So I know nothing going into it.
     
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    I've enjoyed it so far too. The last few episodes dragged on a little too much for me, which feels like a theme for Marvel/Disney shows. But yeah, the split personalities is very, very cool.

    In the last episode, when they were about to be killed and he's like, "Stephen, what did you do?" And he answered himself, "That wasn't me." I loved that...there's even a bigger bad-*** lurking in that body! Can't wait to see how that unfolds.
     
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    I just got home from watching it. And basically anything anyone says is going to be a spoiler, you're right. There's a lot going on, and a lot to unpack!
     
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    So how was it? Does it live up to all the hype?
     
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    Good not great. It flows really well, never slows down, and gives you a lot to take in. That said, while the writing and acting is all top notch, I didn't like some of the directions that they chose to take the characters and the storylines. For me and the MCU, that's a rare thing. It sets things up to the the MCU into even more new directions in the future, while possibly brining something of closure to others, and leaving some open to a lot of debate.

    I would strongly suggest being up to date on basically every MCU movie to this point to fully enjoy it, and having seen WandaVision is an absolute must. You probably should watch What If and Loki as well.
     
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    Disney went after him hard because they really liked him from Star Wars, but he apparently did not like that whole process and it's what made him leery of a multiple film/show role. They sold it to him as an independent project with the potential for more if he wanted. Reports are that he really enjoyed the character and role and is open to returning in the future.

    The cameo thing is interesting, but really it's just a guessing game. Thor could have made sense as a god checking out other gods or as a setup to Gorr. Also, they did mention Bast and the Ancestral Plane, both of which play roles in the Black Panther franchise, so that's another possibility.
     
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  34. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I read that they wanted him to use Echo as the love interest. I think the decision to use Layla El-Falouly was the right one in my opinion.



    I would love it if they made a magic Lara Croft movie/show with that character.
     
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    I saw the Dr. Strange what if....do I need to watch them all or just that one? I also saw WandaVision so I'm good there...and I'm happy that ties in! A mad Wanda is a fun Wanda to watch, LOL.

    Going tomorrow at 6:45 PM...very excited!
     
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    The Dr Strange episode is certainly the most relevant, but the whole series plays in to the overall narrative.
     
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    First of all, thanks for that! Never would have caught it otherwise. Second, that was some gangster stuff by an Egyptian God, LMAO.
     
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    Okay, I went and saw it with my wife, my daughter, and her husband. My wife's seen the last Spiderman (which she LOVED), but that's pretty much it for the MCU. She followed the movie okay, but afterwards she really wanted to see WandaVision to get the backstory. It's not a true game-breaker though if you guys aren't 100% caught up on Disney+.

    My opinion- it pretty much matches Lucky's. My wife thought it was okay, while my daughter and her husband though it was one of the best MCU movies ever. I personally didn't love it because of the multiverse aspect. I don't think this is a spoiler since multiverse is in the title, but once you open up that possibility (which you guys saw in Spiderman) then anything can happen. Like Lucky said, the movie is non-stop...it literally opens with a fight scene and I don't think the fighting stops one way or another until the end credits. It's boom boom boom...what the heck do we do next...boom boom boom. Definitely not a boring movie and I didn't even think about looking at my watch until there was maybe 10-15 minutes left.

    I think I liked it? It's hard to say really because it was so different from the original Dr. Strange from a few years back. For me I think it was almost too fast paced, it did feel like a horror movie at times and it worked for this storyline. But I don't think I loved it and I think I borderline hated the ending. I'll have to think about it though, so much happened in that 2.5 hours.

    Anyway, go see it guys so we can eventually talk about it! Also, there's two mid-credit scenes...and I almost wish I didn't see them! The second one is almost at the end of the credits.

    One final thing- don't watch any spoilers. There's too much in there to surprise and delight you. There's several cameo appearances which you won't see coming and that's a good thing. No spoilers! it's funny though, most of the spoilers are in the official trailer if you watch it closely...lots of subtle hints woven in that I completely missed beforehand!
     
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    Yeah, if you didn't watch WandaVision, you're going to be scratching your head about most of what happens. I enjoyed it a lot, BTW. Elizabeth Olsen is fantastic, just like she was in the show. She can convey emotions with just a look.

    Marvel wanted Scott Derrickson to peel back from saying it was the first MCU horror film, but even though I don't know what script he was going to direct, Raimi's movie is as much horror as it is sci-fi/fantasy. Not sure if I ever considered something to be a hard PG-13, but I probably wouldn't want someone younger than 13 to watch it. Raimi being Raimi.

    The only real problems I had was some of the editing and how some of the characters did stupid things to advance the story. We can discuss them when our spoiler window expires. How long is it, by the way? Two weeks? Three? They clearly left stuff on the cutting room floor, and although it was probably a good decision, there was a herky-jerky feel to it from time to time. Pretty sure it'll be a top-10 MCU film for me and maybe a top-7.

    I wonder if the Disney+ shows will have as large an impact on other movies? If you didn't watch Falcon & The Winter Soldier, there's no doubt you'll be lost in Captain America 4 as some had to be in DS2. And Loki will probably have a lot of movie fans scratching their heads because it's the foundation of Phase 4.
     
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    I think Dr. Strange MoM is a movie I need to see again to really know if I like it. I was entertained but it was felt very different than what I thought it would be.

    I don't think you need to see Wandavision to enjoy the movie because there is something that happened that wasn't seen between the show and the movie that makes this movie happen.

    I don't know about that choice. Felt almost like how Infinity War just wrecks the end of Ragnarock.

    Way more exploding heads.

    I also liked the Spiderman movie reference.
     
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