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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    When I say HenneLer, I meant a combo of Fiedlers weak arm with Henne's robotic play.
    Those are the two guya that he historically reminds me of.. He's got Fiedler's W/L arguement albeit with a better arm / accuracy and Henne's robotic, checkdown pocket presence. If I had to allign Tua with one of those guys it has to be Henne.
     
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  2. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Fiedler was better than Tua, btw. He was limited and injury prone but he made big plays in big games.

    Fiedler was mediocre but he was tough and a gamer.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    You officially jumped the shark.
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Hats off
     
  5. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    McDaniel was brought in for Tua. Fiedler had a Super Bowl team. Top 5 D with the best RB, and ok receivers. Just calling Matt Hasslebeck back, or acquiring Trent Green before his brains were scrambled. Didn't even need Brees, either of those two! Both almost/should have been Dolphins. DAMN YOU WANNSTEDT! DAMN YOU!
     
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  6. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    **edit** and I don't think I have to state it, but it's this thread, there are others reading. Daddy Mac built the O for Tua and around his skills.
     
  7. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    That's cap.
     
  8. cbrad

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    Fiedler was the primary reason we didn't win a SB back then. It's 100% the case you should never build a team around him. Tua still has a season to prove he can develop into the solution at QB. So it's not 100% yet with him, just getting real close to it. So right now Tua > Fiedler because he still has a season to prove it. Statistically both are average-ish, i.e., below where you want your QB to be.
     
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  9. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Again, though, with the coaches they were trying to get? It's like everything fell through, so they went with this. However, again, there are many QBs they could get to replaced Tua with, and McDaniel's system and the weapons would be great. That's what I'm saying, I don't see anything as specifically for Tua.
     
  10. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    McDaniel wasn't brought in for Tua. He was saddled with Tua after deals for Brady and Watson fell through. No one, including the Dolphins is building a team around Tua. They are trying to build the best team possible, and Tua happens to be there.
     
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  11. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Right. I am not saying it's what Ross wanted. It's what they (ownership) wound up having to do. They knew that Watson/Brady/Whomever was off the table when Flores blew that up and told on the tampering, (had to know punishment was coming at that point) and picked up the guy that had the best plan for Tua as that was that. Now we get to see how "that" works out. First interview for McDaniel for a HC job and he gets it. One year as a coordinator when he didn't call plays is the highest level coaching he did at any level. Despite the twitterverse love, a hugely suprise hire given the Dolphins past. Then he just started killing it. Built an amazing staff. Full buy in on Tua. Doubt if you plan to replace Tua with an elite player next year you make the Hill trade and contract extension. $ and or draft resources will be required.
     
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  12. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Calendars are hard I guess?
     
  13. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    You got to stop stating random conjecture like fact.
     
  14. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you really need a disclaimer to figure out if I am writing a fact or stating an opinion? If so, I recommend just skipping my posts.
     
  15. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Oh OK. So it's purely your opinion McDaniels was brought in for Tua. Disagree. McDaniels didn't have any other job prospects, and the Dolphins didn't really have any other propsects. He made the most sense regardless of the QB situation. He didn't have his choice of QB. It's become a head coach and work w/ Tua or go back to being an OC.
     
  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Jimmy Garappollo
    Jared Geoff
    Nick Foles
    Cam Newton
    Colin Kaepernick
    Eli Manning
    Rex Grossman
    Matt Hasselback
    Jake Delhomme
    Rich Gannon
    Brad Johnson
    Kerry Collins
    Joe Flacco
    Joe Thiesmann
    Mark Rypien

    I could go on but there have been PLENTY of bad quarterbacks that have been in the Super Bowl.
     
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  17. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There are 32 NFL HC jobs. There will always be candidates. McDaniel (no S, a little respect here please) is the only candidate they had that never interviewed with anyone else, so it's accurate to say he had limited options. No other options for the team though? They don't get to force people to interview, the other candidates all agreed and were interested in the job. Your logic is absurd.
     
  18. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I disagree that some of those were "bad QB."
     
  20. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    After Harbaugh and Payton fell through. Daboll went to the Giants. They didn't exactly have a lot of options. Of course they can hire anyone for HC, but McDaniels made the most sense at that point. Especially since he's bi-racial, and that's a better look with all the stuff surrounding Flores and Ross.
     
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  21. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    We have no evidence they went after Harbaugh. Most assumed they would but they probably didn't.

    Even if there were some other guys they wanted more there are countless coaches who would kill for the chance to be the head coach no matter how dysfunctional the franchise is. They didn't get stuck with McDaniel.
     
  22. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Ross hired a black man, fired him because he was black, then hired a biracial coach to cover his racism.

    Mind blown.
     
  23. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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  24. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Only one of the three names you listed was interviewed. Payton was a dirty crack pipe dream that the Saints wouldn't let go anyway. (still cost a 1st!) Harbaugh used the Vikings in renegotiating with Michigan, which means Ross. Ross was never going to hire him away from Ross. Not sure how Harbaugh and Payton were serious candidates that just fell through, but no one else would want the job. Was it because of Flores? The logic is murky for me. The 3 finalists for the Dolphins were Daboll, Moore and McDaniel. Those were the 3 requested for 2nd interviews.
     
  25. Dolphin Dundee

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    This is the dumbest thing I've read all day...thanks
     
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  26. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Almost as dumb as insinuating Ross hired McDaniel because he was biracial and would help him look good in the face of alleged racism.
     
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  27. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How is that dumb? He was embroiled in racial upheaval, it's silly to believe that situation didn't factor into the choice. Get accused of racism after firing a black coach, if you then hire a white guy, do you think that strengthens the narrative against him, or weakens it?
     
  28. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Nobody knew McDaniel was biracial until like a day before he was hired. If he was trying to cover for his racism against black coaches, which was and still is totally absurd because he was the one that hired Flores, don't you think he would have brought in a Bienemy or Frazier?

    Yes, that narrative is completely moronic.
     
  29. dolphin25

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    I would take at least 9 of those "bad" QB's.
     
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  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    How do you know what Ross and company knew? Just because it wasn't widely publicly known doesn't mean they didn't know.
     
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  31. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    This is a lie. People knew. What do you think he hid his dad? LOL.

    Maybe it wasn't a big story in the media. For example, players in the league knew he was biracial. Players he coached. You can be sure the organization hiring a 1st time coach also did a background check thoroughly and had all the facts with them.
     
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  32. Finatik

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    Its always about racism now. Were better than this.

    To me it seems people sitting down at the dinner table of racism have a much larger apatite for it, then the amount that's being actually served. But that's just me.

    Can we leave the racial aspect out of it. Clearly they hired the guy because he can coach. Have you not been watching what the players are saying? It's disrespectful to say he was only hired to cover for racism. To him and to everyone reading this drivel.
     
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  33. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is more obsurd that Ross had anything to do with wanting to hire McDaniel. McDaniel was Greir's project. Ross wanted to make a big splash by stealing Peyton costing us a pick because Ross is a moron.
     
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  34. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    The NFL is requiring every team hire an offensive coach who is "a female or a member of an ethnic or racial minority" as a result of Flores' accusations. Whether we want it to or not. Race plays a role in these decisions. Especially, the optics with which Ross was operating under from Flores' accusations.
     
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  35. Fireland

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    Its irrelevant because if the Dolphins were insistent on going that direction they would have interviewed more black coaches. This is a ridiculous angle to try and make McDaniel look less deserving.
     
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  36. Pennington's Limp Arm

    Pennington's Limp Arm Well-Known Member

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    Fair indeed.

    You could also say the exact same thing about a young Brees or Peyton Manning.

    They had to make it with elite passing accuracy and anticipation.

    Nobody said those guys would be scrambling around and shedding would be sacks. Or throwing the ball 80 miles an hour.

    here is a good explanation and example of elite accuracy, reading the defense and anticipation; Throwing the ball in a small window that he himself had to help carve out…

     
  37. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    There's a difference between stating he wasn't deserving and his race played no role in the decision.

    He could be deserving AND his race also helped. They aren't mutually exclusive.
     
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  38. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    There is no reason to bring it up other than to undermine him. If they wanted to hire a black coach they wouldn't have let it get down to him and a bunch of white coaches. You are using every angle you can to paint him as one of very few options but nothing adds up.
     
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  39. StaleTacos

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    A bunch of white coaches? It was down to Moore or McDaniel. There really weren't many options.
     
  40. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Acknowledging that it would potentially benefit Ross by hiring a biracial person is not racism.

    Racism has an actual meaning.
     
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