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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Because they made the decision to narrow it down to those two and Daboll for second interviews which again you don't do if they are making an effort to hire a black coach. Its ridiculous spin to turn that into Daboll took the Giants job so they only have two choices when that ignores the process before that.

    I don't have a problem with you saying it works to his benefit but in that case he still has to beat out the other black coaches which he did.
     
  2. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I wouldn't.
     
  3. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Same, I don't think any names on that list were actually bad quarterbacks. Rich Gannon won the MVP the year he went to the Super Bowl. Same with Cam Newton. You don't win MVP awards being bad at your job.
     
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  4. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Again, your argument only makes sense if I said they were ONLY going to hire a black coach. That was the ONLY consideration. I never said that. All I've said was him being biracial played a factor considering the optics around Flores' allegations.
     
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  5. OwesOwn614

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  6. KeyFin

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    Stat of the year right there! It's also why I never downloaded Twitter, LOL.
     
  7. OwesOwn614

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  8. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Yeah, it's a bit tiresome. I am not a Tua fan, but Jesus Christ, enjoy the wins when they come. I remember being so disgusted with Wannstedt and Fiedler, but ****, I'd kill for that winning percentage these last ten years.
     
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  9. pumpdogs

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    And that's the problem.The guy that went 6 in that draft can do all those things Fitz said makes a top QB no question.He will always be compared to Herbert like it or not
     
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  10. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I wouldn't be sure Fitz is unbiased. He might still be pissed he was benched in favor of a kid he didn't think was ready.
     
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  11. resnor

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    Ding ding ding
     
  12. RGF

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    ....if Tua did what Herbert just did he'd be crucified. 99 yard Pick 6 .
     
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  13. TheHighExhaulted

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    Did anyone see Herbert just throw a pick 6, then on the next drive to proceed to hand the ball off three times for a 3 and out?

    Kid is a loser. Put up all the stats you want. He folds under pressure.
     
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  14. Wilkimania

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    Tua's stat line from last week is pretty similar to Herbert's today in terms of completions. Not sure we can take anything from it though.

    Tua 23/33 270 yards 1TD 0INT
    Herbert (Still ongoing) 24/34 241 Yards 2TD 1INT
     
  15. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    And Herbert is down.
     
  16. Wilkimania

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    That is as clean a hit as you can ask for too. Nothing dirty nothing malicious, just strong defensive play.
     
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  17. TheHighExhaulted

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    What a weakling. He is now injury prone too.
     
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  18. Wilkimania

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    Only took one play out. Selfish player, wouldn't let his backup play.~

    Being serious, he looks like he's playing hurt now. Could and maybe should have been picked off on both of the last two plays.
     
  19. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Given how high his next two throws were, I'm betting he's trying to play through cracked ribs.
     
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  20. TheHighExhaulted

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    But, he has elite size!
     
  21. Wilkimania

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    Exactly, think of the size of the cracks in his ribs.
     
  22. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    He's in serious pain.
     
  23. Wilkimania

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    Cracking throw on that fourth down play though.
     
  24. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Dude is serious balling.
     
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  25. Wilkimania

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    Weird game though. Mahomes didn't look great and yet walks out a winner. It's not like either team played poorly on D either.
     
  26. TheHighExhaulted

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    That was a nice throw on 4th down, but a majority of that drive was checkdowns to Ekeler against a prevent defense.
     
  27. StaleTacos

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    Folks need to stop comparing Tua with Herbert. It's embarrassing for Dolphins fans.
     
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  28. Rick 1966

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    And yet, what has the Chargers' record been while Herbert's been there? Have they won more games than the Dolphins? Have they made the playoffs? If not, then what difference does it make?
     
  29. TheHighExhaulted

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    Tua only throws short passes!!!
     
  30. StaleTacos

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    This type of terrible logic means Tony Romo is a better quarterback than Dan Marino. This is a team game.
     
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  31. Wilkimania

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    I mean if we ran on that logic alone then the Chargers should be trying to upgrade on Herbert. Losing record after over 30 games, so clearly he's a loser of a Quarterback.
     
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  32. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    It is, and the Chargers, by any objective standard, had a BETTER lineup than the Dolphins did the last couple years. And they still didn't win any more games than we did, and they still didn't make the playoffs.
     
  33. hitman8

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    Averages are meaningless, defenses play to take the deep pass away from guys like Herbert and Mahomes, so they take what the defense gives them, but when they have to throw deep, they can do it better than anybody. Both were throwing 50 yard bombs on a rope while on the run today when they had to. Tua can't make those types of throws, that is the big difference.
     
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  34. hitman8

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    Records are meaningless when evaluating a QB without context. The chargers defense was terrible the last couple of years, but Herbert and the offense kept them in most games. Dolphins on the other hand won most games because of the great defense, not because of Tua.
     
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  35. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    The Dolphins had a much worse O line and WR corps than the Chargers the last two years. Records are pretty much the ONLY thing that counts in the NFL.
     
  36. hitman8

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    Chargers had the worst oline in the NFL in in Herbert's first year, and he still balled out. Comparing Herbert and Tua at this point is ridiculous. There is no question who is the better QB, it's really not even close.

    And records alone are not a good barometer of how good a QB is, you have to put it in context.
     
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  37. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    He has more physical tools, but if I was making a long-term bet, I'd say that Herbert is going to wind up one of those QBs who's physically gifted and has a strong arm but doesn't have that something extra that can carry a team deep into the playoffs.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Herbert never had over 7.0 ypa vs the Patriots
     
  39. hitman8

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    Lol, oh and Tua does have that something? Seems you are saying Herbert is going to be like Marino, physically gifted but could never win the big one. Herbert just went toe to toe with Mahomew and almost won. You give Herbert a great defense and they are vying for a super bowl. The chargers can't fall into the same trap the dolphins did which was relying too much on Marino being great and not worrying about actually putting together a great team.
     
  40. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    No, I'm not saying Tua is going to accomplish anything, either. I'm saying that just having a strong-armed QB isn't enough to take a team to the SB. I'm saying that if we'd drafted Herbert, I don't know that would guarantee us going far in the playoffs.
     
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