Tua is not the Problem

Chubb has also eased up the pressure on Phillips who's had a couple of great games in a row.

I know you guys just want Madden rookie mode stats for all of our players, stick to the video games.

 

Bottomline this did nothing to improve the D.We would have been better off saving our money in the offseason for a corner.

 

The defense has had 14 sacks the last 4 games, compared to 14 sacks from the previous 8 games before that. Chubb has nothing to do with that?

They also have had 33 QB hits the last 4 games, compared to 37 in the previous 8 games.

It's not the defensive line that's been the problem on defense.

 

My point is its not the defence line that was the problem.They can't cover anyone.

 

That’s my thought. The more this season progresses, the more I’m realizing our fantastic defense over the last 2 seasons were due more to Flores than Boyer.

You would think after being under Flores the last 2 (or 3?) seasons, the Flores system would be run play by play with Boyer is DC.

 

This is a throw that those questioning his arm strength will tell you he cannot make.

 

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No one ever said Tua can't throw a 20 yard out when he has his feet set and can get his whole body into it, which is what that clip shows, and even so he threw that one low by the way. Tua relies more on timing and anticipation on his out routes than he does arm strength.

The question is can tua make the harder throws under pressure, off platform, off script and on the run? He has not shown that, those off platform throws are the ones that require more arm strength.

 

You must not have been watching any of the Dolphins games this season. I’ve seen plenty of them.

 

No one ever said Tua can't throw a 20 yard out when he has his feet set and can get his whole body into it, which is what that clip shows, and even so he threw that one low by the way. Tua relies more on timing and anticipation on his out routes than he does arm strength.

The question is can tua make the harder throws under pressure, off platform, off script and on the run? He has not shown that, those off platform throws are the ones that require more arm strength.[/QUOTE]

He was able to set his feet and get everything on that pass? Lol what are you watching? He was immediately pressured and had two guys hit him in his legs as he threw it.

 

He was able to set his feet and get everything on that pass? Lol what are you watching? He was immediately pressured and had two guys hit him in his legs as he threw it.[/QUOTE]

There was some pressure, but he side stepped it, had both feet set and got his body into it. Guys hit his legs AFTER he had already released it.

 

The arm strength issue is totally overblown. Tua doesn't have that strong of an arm compared to many other NFL QBs. So? Some elite QBs didn't have strong arms either. Tua's poor play against the 49ers had nothing to do with arm strength. In fact he often overthrew the ball. His accuracy and anticipation were off the mark, and he was rushing throws unnecessarily. We didn't beat the 49ers because our QB had some mental issue, not a physical one.

Very much looking forward to him rebounding against the Chargers. Of course this thread would start to go quiet again if he did that.

 

His footwork was way off. He was throwing off his back foot and either leading or overthrowing his receivers. It's too bad, too, because the first half misses were to wide open players. He looked off in every way, from footwork to body language. It really looked like something was on his mind other than the game.

 

How is his ankle?

 

From everything I'm reading he's going to be good to go on Sunday night.

 

That was a deep out, which has been claimed that he cannot throw. He threw it after stepping through contact and avoiding a basically unblocked DE, not sure how you get more under pressure. He did not drop back hit his spot, set, and throw. If you don't understand why that throw should be low then there is no point in continuing the discussion. That was an absolutely perfect throw.

 

He will rebound against the chargers because the chargers have a terrible defense. San Fran has a good defense. Again, San Fran did a good job of disrupting Tua's timing and make him throw off platform and off schedule. That is why he struggled. He always struggles when making off platform throws, no great mystery here.

Regarding other QBs and weak arms. Only other great QB I can think of with a comparatively weak arm as Tua was Steve Young, that is Tua's ceiling right now.

 

You say that like it's a bad thing. Young is a top 10 QB all time in my book.

 

People are still trotting out the "weak arm" argument at this point in the season.

This is why I can't take y'all seriously.

 

Young was a great QB, but overrated in my book. More a product of playing on an all time great team during his prime years. I would rate guys like Marino, Elway and Favre of that era as being a good level above him. Still if Tua can reach Young status it would be great.

 

It's not an argument. He has a relatively weak arm for an NFL QB. He could still have success in spite of a weak arm, but it is a limitation on what he can and can't do and the throws he can and can't make.

You are never going to see Tua making great off platform, off schedule throws like Mahomes, Herbert, and Allen can.

 

He really doesn't. And he's proven that for weeks.

 

Good to know that this upcoming game doesn't count. Unless they lose in which case its definitely going to count.

 

He's proven he can make good accurate throws concistently and run an efficient offense against bad defenses when he has time to set his feet and throw on schedule. He has not however proven he has a strong arm or that he can make off platform, off schedule throws requiring arm strength.

And he has not proven he can play well against good defenses.

 

*stares in Baltimore*

*laughs in Buffalo*

 

At start of season I listened to all the coaches interviews, Boyer was the only coach I was not impressed with.

 

Do you not see a difference in his arm and the arms of Allen, Burrows, Herbert, Mahomes?

 

yet, the defense seems the same

 

He should rebound as the Chargers defense has been pretty terrible. If he does not we are in serious troublt

 

So, if Tua doesn't have arm strength on that level, that means he has a weak arm.

Is that your logic?

 

It means he can't do the things they can. It does not mean he is a bad QB, it is just reality. He certainly has a weak arm compared to them. Now, can you answer the question?

 

lmao…. Is that troll still at it?

Steve Young is a top 5 All Time QB, and if he’s not in someone’s top 10 they’re football ignorant.

 

Tua's numbers speak for themselves so if people are STILL on the " yeah but, but, he doesn't have a strong arm" argument, then they're being selectively blind for the attention that they seek. If Tua had a rocket arm and his numbers sucked would that be more exciting and pleasing to you ? I didn't think so.
Just passing along how ridiculous some of you sound.

 

There’s a big difference between the arms of all the guys you mentioned. This post makes no sense.

 

Jeff George had maybe the strongest arm ever. How did that work out? As I’ve shown here, Allen probably has the strongest arm in the NFL, yet he had 3 back to back to back horrible games. And his numbers aren’t like Tua’s. People who claim Tua doesn’t have a strong arm are being selective in what they’re seeing. He has plenty of zip on his throws… plus, he’s deadly accurate.

 

If you can point me to one post where I said Tua's arm strength is on their level, then I'll answer your question. (Spoiler alert, you won't).

Tua has shown he can make the throws necessary and can throw it accurately on short, intermediate, and deep throws.

At this point, saying Tua has a weak arm because it's not as strong as Mahomes is like saying Tyson Gay is slow because he's not as fast as Usain Bolt.

 

Thank you!

 

Tua played terribly when he was NOT being pressured. We've never seen him this inaccurate, not even in past years. Something was mentally wrong with him. And when the defense forced him out of pocket he often had time but rushed throws and missed wide open receivers. This game was on Tua, not the defense.

Of course saying it's the defense fits your narrative:

Yes he has. He played well against the Bills and Ravens. I know you like to make all these excuses about the Ravens and Bills defense not really being that good when we played them, but you always make those claims AFTER the fact. You're not predicting how those defenses will play with the specific injuries they have BEFORE they play us. There's little credibility to trotting out the excuses after the fact.

The Bills were missing many key starters when they played us, but that defense has been beset with key defensive injuries throughout the season. Both the Bills and Ravens defense are top 10, and the Bills right now #4 despite the injuries.

Montana, Brees, Peyton are also QBs known for not having strong arms.

 

He played like he was scared of getting hit. Rightfully. He's a bad hit away from having a career ending injury. I don't see this mentality playing well against NE and Buffalo in the cold, but we'll see.

 

That is terrible recognition of what happened. He had an unblocked DE because his OL and backs keystone copped it. The DE got a hand on his throwing shoulder and Tua stepped through that while shoving his OL out of his way with his other hand and immediately threw a deep out with perfect placement. "side stepped" "some pressure" . You were wrong about Tua. Just say it. He's not going away. Your arguments are going to get further and further away from reality until you do.