Week 14: Dolphins vs Chargers Flexed To Sunday Night Football

I would agree, but only partially; there were numerous occasions where there were open receivers and he flat out missed them (especially in the SF game), and he wasn’t under heavy pressure all the time.

 

I would argue that the lack of a running game was more of a factor in the Dolphins not winning a Super Bowl in the Marino years than the defensive performance. If you give Marino Terrell Davis, he goes out with 2 rings and Elway gets none.

 

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In 84 we played Montana and an all time great team in the super bowl. Any lesser team and Marino would have gotten his ring then.

Our defense took a nose dive for many years after that, and we never had a running game in an era where running games were very important and we had to face the likes of Thurman Thomas and the bills. I believe Marino was just unlucky (unlucky 13), when it looked like all the pieces were falling into place in 93 he tears his Achilles. There were too many wasted years with no defense and no running game during his prime.

 

"Bottom Line: An 8-10 career playoff record and just a single Super Bowl appearance are certainly less than spectacular, but Pro Football Reference did a detailed study analyzing a quarterback's rushing and defensive support. The result of this study showed Marino should have won 5.6 playoff games in his career."

 

damn...

 

What got me was Tua on the sidelines the past two weeks- he appeared detached and uninspired. I'm wondering if he has something personal going on that has his focus elsewhere. He's just not playing at the level we've come to expect and I can't understand a bit of it. His struggles almost have to be mental.

 

Has to be mental. Nothing else really explains it. Against SF he was missing easy throws he often made earlier in the season, and Chargers aren't some kind of defensive powerhouse. Regardless, the guy that needs to fix this is McDaniel. If it's mental and McDaniel can't fix it, then it's a black mark on him as a coach.

 

A lot of his throws lately have been wobblers and/or off the mark. It looks like he's not 100% healthy and it's affecting his throws.

 

This is what I’m thinking. Either it’s the foot and he can’t plant like he normally does, or there’s something else going on. There’s no way he goes from playing like he did after he came back to what we’ve seen these last couple of games otherwise.

 

I suggest you take a look around online. There's plenty of video out there from last nights game showing adjustments McDaniel made to the chargers taking away the middle of the field. McDaniel adjusts with several out breaking routes that Tua just... doesn't throw the ball on. There's a ton of checkdown options available as well. Instead Tua forces the ball downfield into coverage in the middle of the field. I've seen several examples of it since last nights game and what it shows me is a coach that's adjusting, a coach that has options built into his plays for his QB, but a QB who's not reading it, not seeing it, and simply... can't throw it to the outside. After some of the videos I've seen from the all 22 footage, last night we were held back by a limited QB. Whether that's injury, arm strength, preparation, lack of understanding of the offense, making the wrong reads... whatever it is. plays were there to be made, not as blatantly obvious as the SF game and Tua just flat out missed... either with the throw itself, or he missed the read or just simply didn't take what was available if it wasn't over the middle. He held back this offense the last two weeks. Not the coach. It's on film to see.

 

He had 1 touchdown on 51 attempts and everyone is acting like he quarterbacked the best game of all time. Good player, not elite.

 

It’s hilarious that now the lame a—, phony argument being made by Tuanon is Herbert is not elite. Hahahaha!!! Really? Is that all you have now? Man, don’t be so pathetic and transparent. Geez!
Instead of having the character to admit you were wrong, you so pathetically shift the goalposts, trying to argue that he isn’t “elite”. Haha! Omg.
Oh, he also broke Andrew Lucks record; most passing yards through first three seasons.

 

He isn't. He never was. Slightly above average or solidly above average production is nowhere near elite. And I've been saying this for years now. This isn't shifting the goalposts. More importantly, whether Herbert is or is not elite has nothing to do with Tua. And total yards is not a good indicator of how good a QB is. You want efficiency metrics over large sample size.

As far as whether we should have taken Herbert or not, that's still not settled either. Herbert has been solidly above average or slightly above consistently, while Tua has been below average across his first 2 seasons and elite for half a season this year. Overall they're very similar: slightly above average over their career thus far. Neither has shown sustained elite level production across multiple seasons (unlike Burrow) or anything close (thus far).

 

Records don’t win championships. Just ask Marino.

 

I agree. It seemed odd. He just looked like he was there and not engaged.

 

right, and has the possibility of breaking Marion's record for most TD's in first 3 years. I thought some would be eating crow about Herbert today, but instead they keep talking bad about him. i think they are trying to deny reality of the situation we are in today.

 

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."

 

And how have the Chargers done? Not a single playoff appearance…and they’re needing help for this year.

I liked the Luck comparison earlier, how Herbert’s about to break his 3 year record. Luck made the playoffs his first 3 years in the league. Herbert on the other hand?

But hey, at least he’s got a strong arm!

 

Oh, look what the cat's dragged in. Now there's a surprise - not! You were conspicuous by your absence when we were winning and Tua was doing well but I see you're back again spouting your anti-Tua bile. I bet your underpants are like a cardboard sheet after the last two weeks, aren't they?

 

Ha. Nope. I posted a few times during that streak. I was happy we were winning and I said several times that I will support him, but sorry that I couldn’t jump in your circle j—k. I wasn’t yet sold. Either way, you all completely missed my point and actually just reinforced it. Good job.

 

Yes. Indeed they are .

 

I don't think anyone has said he's bad, he's obviously a good QB but is he elite? What has he done over the first 3 seasons that make you say he's elite and a top 5 QB? Just curious. Is it all the volume stats? Is it the highlight throws?

To this point in his career Herbert has attempted 1828 passes and he isn't even at the end of season 3, he's going to be at nearly 2000 by the end of the season at this rate. He's currently at 90 TD's, while Marino threw 98 in 1427 attempts in his first 3 years. Herbert will have basically thrown a whole season worth of passes more while being in a much friendlier pass era. I'm not surprised he's going to break the record.

I thought he played well on Sunday night and he had 2 throws that make you say "wow". He also threw 14 passes behind the line of scrimmage and another 18 between 0-10 yards. It was mostly a dink and dunk game with 2 amazing throws that get people and media excited. He's also had games with passer ratings of 66,73,74,82,84,88 which are all statistically below average which is around 91 or 92 this season I think.

He's good, very good actually but I don't think he's elite either. Not yet.

 

I like dink and dunk and then hit a long one. He just looks like a legit QB. Sadly our d did nothing to stop those dink and dunk passes even though that is what they did the majority of the game against the Raiders.

 

But, I thought it was not about the QB and about everything around him LOL! I'd take Herbert with this offense in a heartbeat, and Burrow, and Mahomes and and

 

Who would you say are the top 5?

 

Mahomes, Rodgers, Allen, Burrow and Brady.