Tua is not the Problem

Yeah, but I kept saying we should have done it way before the bye. Same counter-argument people kept making saying you don't fire a DC midseason. I disagree. It's hard to mess things up more than Boyer has since then. I mean I agree NOW is a bad time, but not 2 months ago when I kept banging the drum to fire him.

 

Tua was also playing with Hill and Waddle wheras Allen just has Diggs and some mediocre weapons on offense. The buffallo offense is basically all Josh Allen.

Tua played ok and made some nice throws to wide open hill and waddle, but there were no wow plays from Tua or him carrying the offense like Allen did. Again, as I've said many time Tua is not a bad quarterback, but he is just not elite and lacks the talent of the top tier QBs.

 

Do you think you turn into like a pumpkin from Cinderella if you gave him credit? What ****ing kill you? Do you think he’s a winning QB or not? Do you think he’s a top 10 QB? Where do you think he slots in the NFL hierarchy objectively

 

I wouldn't trust Grier to build a leggo set designed for 5 year olds.

 

I've always given him credit for being a good QB. I just don't think he's great. I would put him in the top 15 or 20 in the NFL. He is as good as the team you build around him, but will never carry a team to a super bowl unless you build a superstar team like he had at Alabama.

 

A QB in the 15-20 range shouldn't be called "good". That's average to below average. That's the type of QB you should get rid of, which btw I think you want with Tua. And if you're trying to get rid of a QB you really shouldn't be calling him "good".

For me, a "good" QB is top 10 or just shy of it (should be above average at minimum!), "elite" for me is top 3 or at worst 5. I still wouldn't settle for "good" using my definition though. I'd keep that QB while searching for another. But a 15-20 QB you jettison as soon as possible.

 

Right. So ive got tua anywhere from 6-12. So, yeah, you keep that.

 

I'll wait for your list of 15 quarterbacks right now you rank before Tua.

 

So...If a quarterback isn't top 10, he's not good enough? The top ten rankings change on a yearly basis. Quarterbacks have a long shelf life and their careers are very similar to baseball pitchers in terms of good years, average years, and bad years. Does anyone have Brady, Rodgers, or Russell Wilson in their top 10 right now? Is Lamar Jackson in anyone's top 10? That guy won MVP two years ago. Twelve months ago, I know I had them in mine, but not now. Jalen Hurts wasn't in the top 10 last year, but he's leading the MVP race this year. I'd still take Aaron Rodgers on a down year over him. Kyler Murray was in the MVP conversation a year ago. Rankings change. The point being is that the circumstances surrounding the quarterback DO play a significant role in how they perform. Geno Smith is statistically having a better year than both Brady and Rodgers. His team also has more wins. I like Smith, I'm glad he's found a home. He's living proof that quarterbacks have a long shelf life, but I still wouldn't take him over Brady, Rodgers, or even Ciara Wilson (well maybe).
I'm not going to list my top ten because I'm too lazy to sort through the names, but I can objectively and subjectively say that Tua is in the "top ten." He's shown visible growth in all aspects in my opinion. He's improved his placement, he's improved his anticipation, he sees the field better, the game is slowing down for him, he's led comeback wins, and last night he played well in cold, crappy conditions. He showed some moxy when most of us thought he'd go cry in the car. Last night was a very positive experience for him moving forward. That environment was about as hostile as it gets. Inclement weather, drunk, douchey fans throwing ****, a fierce Buffalo defense. He played great all things considered. I've seen Marino play in Buffalo back in the day and get his world rocked while only scoring six points. Tua hung in there last night, it didn't go our way, but we're moving forward.

 

I actually disagree with this. The defence is talented up front but the LB’s are complete trash tier. Go watch the drive that made the score 29-29, 2 big runs in a row caused by terrible LB play first by Baker then by Reilly. Next play Roberts draws the roughing the passer call. Duke Reilly was just a warm body out there, he also blew his coverage on an earlier TD when he just shimmied on the spot then did nothing.

Most of the secondary talent is out injured. We are missing 3 of our 5 starting secondary and X has been injured what seems like the whole year.

Even with that Boyer has a gift for calling exactly the wrong play at the wrong time and needs to go.

 

Ah, the good old back handed complements.
Allen was throwing to wide open guys all night (and sailing quite a few passes as well) as he was playing against a secondary that is pre-season level. Did you see the guys we had out there running around? Knox had the whole field to himself on numerous occasions as did the RB in the flat.

We scored on 6 drives out of 10 maybe? Not looked up the drive charts. That’s the #2 defence in the league, on the road, in the cold and snow and we scored on a lot of drives.

This is a good offence and Tua is proving he’s a top 10 QB in it. I’m not sure why people are still in a rush to get rid of him. I guess it’s the broken play heroics of Allen that’s causing it?

 

2nd and 9 Tua murders the game with a pass backwards to Hill with other receivers open, locking onto him, AND throwing it high anyway. Almost throws the pick. Again. throws to the sideline, he just cannot do.



Tua did a lot better than expected. Just not enough to win. He can't buy time for his speedy receivers to get open. That's really what we need with this offense. He's a system game manager QB with excellent talent around him.

 

So you are going to pick one play that you don’t even know the route tree on and use that to bash him? What if the play is just a WR screen?

29 points on the road, scoring on 6 drives should be enough to win.

So now we need a QB that is able to run around like a headless chicken to give receivers time to get open? What kind of football are you wanting us to play?

 

Just showing where Tua's physical limitations impact play calls and results.

Anyway, the defense handed the ball to the offense at midfield by stripping Allen, and they did nothing but kick a long field goal. Then Tua had the ball in his hands with a chance to run the clock out and score in the 4th quarter, he and the offense didn't do anything. Josh Allen did, and you knew he was going to. He was throwing 20+ yard darts to the sideline in snow. You can only do so much scheming with Tua. You'll always be limited offensively on upside.

 

Tua just doesn't have a lot of tools in the toolshed. Allen does. He has running ability for when passes aren't there.

Tua? Well Tua tried juking a ghost, tripped over himself, and missed picking up a first.

That's the difference between a physical gifted QB and one that looks like he's dressing up as a QB for Halloween.

 

Well the QB also has to be able to throw...Hold on...These haters use the most douchey terms..."Laser beams" (I picture Chunk from the The Goonies saying this), or better yet...The new one is "Bullets" He throws "Bullets." "Did you guys see what Herbert just did?, He threw a bullet on a rope while evading intense pressure in front of the whole entire NATION."
That's really it though. Nothing Tua does is going to be good enough and when he does fail or has an off game, these clowns will be right back here to troll the forum.

 

Well the facts are it wasn't good enough to win the game. Tua wasn't good enough to score with the game tied and a chance to run down the clock late in the 4th. Allen was. This is just the reality of last night's game. Tua doesn't have many clubs in his bag.

 

Top 10 on average, not just one year. Yes, if you don't have at minimum at top 10 QB you really should ditch that QB and get a new one. Actually top 10 is arguably not good enough either, it's more like top 6 because that's on average 1 standard deviation above the mean. Not to put too much math in here, but I once calculated SB win probability given adjusted passer rating and the best fitting equation is WP = 2.719*e^(0.8415*z) where z = standard deviation above the mean.

That gives you a 6.3% probability of winning the SB in any given year if your QB plays at about top 6 level. That's how low it is in any given year even if you have a borderline elite QB. From that equation you can infer that an average top 6 QB gives you about a 50% chance of winning a SB over 10 years. Go down to top 10 and then you're in that 1 SB every 15 year range.

So yeah if you don't have a top 10 QB you better get yourself one.

 

I mean, people talked about that with Marino his whole career. That's arm strength. It doesn't make a QB great, but it sure helps. A strong arm covers for many deficiencies.

 

If he admits what he knows he wouldn't be getting the childish attention he seeks. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a picture of Tua in his toy wallet.
Just read some of his idiotic posts and you too will see what he's all about. When you figure him out it becomes much easier to read, laugh, and move on. Trust me.

 

He was throwing 20 yard outs to guys that were 5 yards open, even Tua with his weak arm and all would have made those throws.

This isn’t an apples to apples comparison here. You are drooling over an Allen performance for something you have been criticising Tua for all year, beating up on a lousy defence. Meanwhile Tua leads 6 scoring drives for 29 points (really should have been 34 but for drops and going for 2) against the #2 defence in the league and all I see is “he’s small, he’s limited, he can’t throw to the sideline, he can’t run” while ignoring how well the offence played.

Allen didn’t look so good last week against a top defence in the cold but we will obviously just ignore that.

Nice “talking” with you but I’m done. It’s obvious no matter what Tua does it will never be good enough.

 

It was a designed screen play. You can't be serious.

 

Sherfield clearly misses his block, Wilson is looking to block down field. Waddle is covered over and under. How can you not see this with the own evidence you're posting?

 

The throw shouldn’t have been made. Tyreek was covered like a blanket.

 

He's trusting Sherfield to make his block. Obviously he didn't make it. If he doesn't throw it there's a defender right in Tua's face and it's a sack and an even worse result.

Tua haters watch a completely different game and then post screenshots that don't do anything for your argument.

 

What the **** are you blabbering about? You "figured me out"? That really makes me laugh. I don't need any attention from you or anyone else dude.

We are all just stating our opinions here and discussing dolphins football. Don't get your panties in a bunch because I don't think your boy Tua is an elite QB.

 

My boy Tua ? LOL. I hope you receive " Hooked on Phonics" for Christmas because your reading comprehension needs work.
And let's review how fast you become defensive when your little scheme gets exposed.
Your biggest fear is Tua succeeding as you proved it already doing your disappearing act when he lights it up. There, I gave you a little attention, happy now. ?

 

Ball should’ve been thrown over Tyreek’s head out of bounds. Too much traffic in the area for a 5’8” 170 pound receiver.

 

This was a DESIGNED play to Hill! It was set up as a screen to Hil to get him the ball ON THE OUTSIDE with blockers in front of him to take advantage of his speed. THIS was the play. Buffalo's pass rush however disrupted the play call.

Before you nit-pick, know what was going on first!

 

Tua plays well in not ideal conditions on the road, in the cold, against a top defense...

Now it's, "Ehh, Buffalo is overrated".

Hahaha.

 

Bingo.

 

Tua is now back as passer rating leader after Hurts had a bad passing day throwing 2 INTs and no TDs (though he did run for 3 TDs). Tua's 107.8 rating is followed by Geno Smith at 105.3, Mahomes at 105.0, and Hurts at 104.6 after today. Really hope Tua ends up with the best passer rating for a starting QB this year. Last time a Dolphins QB did that was Marino in 1984.

 

Would be pretty impressive for a top 15-20ish quarterback.

 

It's amazing how you're completely wrong, but you spew this **** like it's fact.

When you continue to take this stance and misrepresent people's intent/position, you create more arguments and further the divide.

But I think you know exactly what you're doing.

I know you aren't talking about me, but still.

 

What a load of BS. Here is how much I need your attention, I'll put you on ignore.

 

Off topic, I just watched Herbert throw an interception where the Titan defender caught the ball and while going out of bounds lobbed it to another Tennessee defender. Just a heck of a defensive play right there. We need Tennessee to beat the Chargers today. Also need the Pats to lose. Jets and Ravens lost. All good things.

 

Where am I wrong? Explain to me.

Is it not a designed bubble screen?

Does Sherfield not whiff on White?

Is Wilson not running down field to block?

Does Waddle have a linebacker underneath and a safety bearing down on him?

Is there not a defender right on Tua?