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Week 16: Dolphins vs Packers.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Dec 25, 2022.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    The solution was/is the same as it's always been. When you have a top 5 pick, you don't use it on the QB with question marks, you use it on the most complete QB available. If you miss on QB you're pretty screwed, regardless of the coach.
     
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  2. Fishhead

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    Head coaching experience doesn’t mean a whole lot - that’s why you see retreads in every coaching cycle. Some do better, some do not. I’m not ready to give up on McDaniel just yet. His biggest mistake, imo, was keeping the defensive staff in place based on how they finished last season. This offseason will tell us a lot about McDaniel - what he learned from year one and his vision for the future.

    As far as the qb position goes, I want a guy who is going to give the team more than a year or two at best. A guy who, despite his remarkable performance at his age, is definitely on the downhill slope. Plus, our OL will get him killed. Lastly, it’s Tom Brady, who Dolphins fans have hated for his two decades of domination in our division. Just say no.

    As far as a better plan? I’ll wait to see how these last two games play out, then we’ll see what happens in the offseason. A lot of things can change, and options that were never ever considered before become available. Who thought, for example, that so many top (and middle) tier QBs would change teams last offseason?
     
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  3. pumpdogs

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    I don't think he has that Alpha Persona.I am sorry coming off a 3 game losing streak season slipping away and we get that peformance against a mediocre team at home.I was giving him the benefit of the doubt all season as he was playing well but if you can't handle the pressure you should be holding a clipboard.
    A true franchise Qb shakes off those those 2 picks at the end of the game and leads his team to the win.What will he do if waddle or hill get hurt?They carry the offence not him.It seems the only way we score is some huge catch and run by one of them.This guy panics on third down that's why we can't sustain drives.
    Noway I am signing this guy to an extension barring a miracle turnaround.
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The game was a tale of 2 halves. I was breaking it all down drive by drive, illustrating how well the Dolphins played in the first half, only to self destruct in the 2nd. Lost everything I was writing. Hate it when that happens.

    Just utterly astounds me how the tide turned so dramatically in the 2nd half.
     
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  5. M1NDCRlME

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    A concussion explains the flip of the switch (assuming the reports are true and he was concussed) and those WTF interceptions.
     
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  6. The_Dark_Knight

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    Mrs TDK and I went to dinner last night and that story broke while we were at the table. Once I saw that, it definitely made the WTF second half quickly come into focus.
     
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  7. resnor

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    He needs to retire.
     
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  8. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Based on…what?
     
  9. DonStrockRules

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    The concussion played a big part of the 2nd half disaster. Tua had to be in a semi-fog at the least.
     
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  10. resnor

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    Dude if he had a third concussion this season, and it caused him to have that second half?

    Based on that, dude.
     
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  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    And of course this is based on your years of extensive training and experience in neurological disorders and trauma, right?

    Im not saying you’re wrong…and I’m not saying you’re right. All I’m saying is leave such drastic assessments to the recommendations of the trained professionals who have the medical expertise and who have actually examined him.

    All of the armchair google, Wikipedia and YouTube fan doctors are annoying as hell.
     
  12. DonStrockRules

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    Well, Hill is putting up monster stats, but he's light years away from being in another Superbowl.
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm not the one saying he had a concussion. That is the excuse being given by posters on here to explain his ****ty game.

    Don't start with this bull**** doctor nonsense. It's being reported that he had a concussion. IF THIS IS TRUE, he needs to retire.

    You can't have 3 concussions in a season.
     
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  14. KeyFin

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    For me, I look at him getting 5 or 6 opinions before returning earlier this season. He legit considered retirement at that time and returned because he was told it was safe to do so.

    Then I think about the last four weeks, how Tua looked lost and detached on the sidelines between drives 3 and 4 weeks ago. That's not the Tua I'm used to seeing, and I can't help but wonder if there was a head injury in that stretch. He was way off those two weeks, getting the ball out super fast and trying to force crazy angles.

    Tua did look good against the Bills, and he was great in the first half this week. But all of a sudden, he completely chokes three drives in a row with passes that were very bad decisions. Then the concussion rumors come out and I think, "Is this a pattern that we all just missed?"

    Again, I'm not a doctor and I'm not basing this on science. This isn't even an opinion...I'm just generally curious if that could be what's been happening. We're seeing two completely different Tua's this season- one's elite, one's timid and way off. Something's been happening to give us two completely different narratives.

    If my guess is correct, I do hope that he retires and lives a long, healthy life. My only concern is that they figure out what's happening, even if my guess is completely wrong, and protect the kid from further harm. At this point, I don't care about football or the Dolphins, my only concern is for Tua and his family.
     
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  15. pumpdogs

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    He does have a new baby!
     
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  16. KeyFin

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    And that could be it too- I have a 3 month old grandson and my kid/her husband is absolutely exhausted. That could very easily be the story here.
     
  17. pumpdogs

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    I didn't bring that up for an excuse for him to suck the last 4 weeks.I am just saying with 3 possible concussions in a 2 3 month span that could be a good reason to retire.
     
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  18. The_Dark_Knight

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    If memory serves me correctly, Tua was examined by SEVERAL doctors after the concussion against Cincinnati, going way above and beyond the NFL protocol for medical clearance following a concussion. I’m certain, based on that history that he will once again seek out that amount of medical care and opinion.

    As for the whole retirement discussion, which I think many posters here are being overly premature, if the medical guidance Tua receives says he shouldn’t play anymore, then by all means, call it a career and live a long happy life. There is much more to life than playing a game.

    If they all recommend there is no neurological damage and just needs a couple of weeks, then so be it. If Tua decides that even with a positive recommendation that this isn’t for him, then so be it as well. Andrew Luck abruptly retired. As did Barry Sanders. Sometimes the human body can only take so much. But then again, that’s not for any of us here to decide.

    I’m just one of those in the “wait and see” corner before levying any opinions on what Tua should or shouldn’t do.
     
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  19. resnor

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    What don't you understand about concussions? The NFL is treating this as #3, I believe, and whether it's 2 or 3, it is incredibly concerning to have multiple significant concussions in a season. It isn't about the right now. It's about when Tua is 45 and has full blown CTE and goes Junior Seau on us.

    Or did you forget about that? Concussions are a bad bad thing, and having them repeatedly in a short period of time is a recipe for what I said above. I pray to God we don't ever see that.
     
  20. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I don’t know if that was directed at me but if it was…

    What don’t I understand? What I don’t understand is how suddenly is so concerned about “concussions”. Concussions have been around this game forever. You’d hear about them all of the time, but with much different terminology…

    “Boy he got his bell rung”
    “Oh man he got jacked up”
    “Whoa he got knocked out”

    The treatment then? Smelling salts under the nose, pop some Tylenol and get him back in the game.

    That’s what it WAS. Not condoning it, just stating fact. There was never any call for for any of these players to retire. But not with Tua though. Oh Tua HAS to retire because well…he has to.

    Now you bring up Junior Seau. Now there’s no doubt that was sad. I ALWAYS liked him, but there was a reason his moniker was “Say Ow”. Junior himself was the cause of the the number head blows he sustained. He ***HIT*** folks and hit them HARD. Repeatedly, play after play, game after game.

    To make a Seau and Tagovailoa comparison isn’t responsible as one player looked to hit and the other looks to AVOID hits.

    As I’ve said before…and I’ll continue to say it…wait for the medical opinion. It’s the only responsible thing to do
     
  21. resnor

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    Yes, it was directed at you.

    Right, I understand how football used to be. And when we saw all those guys from the 70s Steelers team get destroyed, and then Junior Seau...all of a sudden everyone realized that CTE is a thing. It's no longer "He got his bell rung," especially if it's bad enough to affect his play for the next 2 hours.

    Now, Tua has had three such occurrences this season, even if you don't want to call the Buffalo one a concussion, and that is really really bad dude. Like continuing to play is so risky long term, and no yeah it's going to pay you big money to be the franchise when you're s walking concussion.
     
  22. Sceeto

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    "It is going to happen again"
    Who said this after the last concussion?
    .....and it will happen again if he continues to play the game. Is that what some of you want?
    It is time to hang it up from playing football. Sorry, but true.
     
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  23. DonStrockRules

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    Tua clearly banged his head at 2:48 left in the 2nd Qtr. That GREATLY Explains the bad 2nd half. Nobody on the Dolphins saw Tua get hurt but he was clearly hurt.
     
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  24. The_Dark_Knight

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    Well then, the next time I don’t feel good I’ll call Dr Resnor because you are OBVIOUSLY more qualified than any medical professional.
     
  25. resnor

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    Wow. I make a statement, based on reports, and you still want to act like I'm giving out medical diagnosis.

    I explained what CTE is and you ignore it. You continue to minimize concussions. Problem is, the NFL doesn't minimize them.

    Also, I don't think you could find any medical professionals who agree with you and your concussions are no big deal argument. I would have no problem finding doctors who agree with me.
     
  26. JJ_79

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    Well the NFL only has a problem with concussions when it‘s about Tua and the Dolphins, or do you have the same backlash with concussions on other teams and players?
     
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    I just read in an interview that McDaniel was watching film of the game and became concerned as he watched Tua in the 2nd half. So he questioned Tua, the docs checked him out, and they realized there were signs of concussion. Coach then said in the interview that Tua's a human 1st and he'd do anything he could to protect him.
     
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  28. resnor

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    I am not following other teams/players. Are there other players who have had three significant (affected their play for an extended time) concussions this season?
     
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    Tua has had 2 concussions at least that is what the doctors said. When you look at Kenny Pickett from the Steelers he had 2 concussions as well and I don’t hear or see anything about that…
     
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  30. The_Dark_Knight

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    Never said I had no problem with concussions. I've been clear about that. Shall I go back and point out the number of times you've stated Tua needs to retire. Sounds like a medical recommendation to me.

    The one constant I've stated over and over again is what? Wait for the medical opinion of the professionals examining and treating him, haven't I?
     
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  31. resnor

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    Also responding to JJ...

    EVERY DAMN TIME that I have stated that, it is in RESPONSE to reports that others are posting regarding Tua and concussions. Again, the NFL is treating Buffalo as a concussion, whether your want to count it or not.

    If Pickett, or whoever, has two significant concussions THIS SEASON, then he should probably be considering retirement too.

    Is it your opinion that getting multiple concussions a season isn't a big deal? That it doesn't signify long-term health consequences?

    At the very least, you can't have a franchise QB that is having repeated concussions, causing him to miss multiple have AND resulting in ****ty performance in the games he's in. How many losses THIS SEASON are directly attributable to Tua's health? Myself and a few others have been preaching for three seasons now that Tua's health is a significant concern, and you guys have minimized that and mocked us for three seasons.

    Yet we're being proven correct.
     

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