How many did they test? How did they choose who to test? The only way to get get CTE is through repeated head injuries...and I don't think they mean scrapes and cuts. If 25% of all current NFL players had CTE, I would probably not promote the sport.
You really can't be this naive to the facts and figures of football and head injuries? They didn't just start yesterday.
I believe the individual or next of kin has to agree to donate their brain for the study. Junior Seau did it before committing suicide.
Are the players soft if they are concerned about his health? Are the players soft if they aren't upset if the coaches are concerned about his health?
Remember when Joe Burrow said he couldn't remember entire games and no one batted an eye? Resnor, you are not this naive.
I've seen similar results. The problem is that the people/families that consent to be studied usually have a reason to do so. I think it's going to take developing a test that doesn't require a cadaver to diagnose to know for sure. But, with general population rates being less 5%, it's pretty undeniable that we are cheering it happening.
I agree. Because of this the numbers are very likely to be inflated. But the rise in percentage going from high school to college to pro is the key statistic here.
This is it when you read some of the comments on here. It's Tua choice and everybody knows that Football is a brutal game, I don't think that Tua will have a long career because of how he is built and how he plays. What's funny though is, that the people who didn't like him in the first place are now the ones who are the most "concerned" about him.
Im talking about you and the rediculous notion that 1) you know more about tua’s health than he and his world class team of doctors and 2) that just because the rest of us suggest he play if him and his doctors agree means we don’t care about tuas health. everyone who wants tua to pay wants tua to do so only under the advisement of doctors. But you call us inhumane because of science and logic.
No I say that because the things WE ARE SAYING are the same things that the yeah is telling you, just by looking at where Tua is in the protocols. I have been saying for a couple weeks that Tua needs to be concerned about his long term health, and I have been **** on by other posters for saying that. You say "if he's cleared" but that has NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about. Tua could very well receuve doctors clearance that he is physically, right now, fit to play. I'm talking about 30 years down the road, what's his health like? Concussions get progressively worse the more you have, especially if you have them in a relatively short period of time. I mean, how many concussions do you Tua can have? Is one or two a season ok in your book?
No. I believe I even made a post staying that when I wrote that, I had but seen anyone say that he couldn't be in the sidelines. That post was made under the belief that he chose not to be on the sidelines.
I have never bashed on Tua. I have stated many many times that, barring significant injury, I thought Tua would have decent career. I had legitimate concerns, and I've voiced them. I even was heavily on board the Tua train this season, being fooled until teams stopped letting Tua throw over the middle, and he was exposed again. Add on top the concussion concerns, I just don't see how Tua's potential for elite play outweighs his inability to be depended on. I honestly really believe you guys are severely minimizing the concussion issue. I do truly believe at this point, if I were Tua, I'dbe looking at my wife and my little baby, and I would take my millions that I've got, and I would choose to save my health and have a wonderful life with my family, a main reason most of these guys strive to make the NFL in the first place.
You say Tua is fragile...I think you might be the fragile one. Do you really go to sleep at night worrying about Tua's health 30 years from now? I think you should stop watching football if that's the case.
Even if he chose not to be on the sidelines why are you being critical of anyone at all if his health is what matters?
I'm a Team Tua guy all day. With that being said, I don't want to see him on the field this weekend. I would feel different if he had shown capable of listening to his body when something goes wrong, but if he gets hurt again, he's competitive/stubborn enough to stay in until he sustains permanent damage. I'm less concerned about the possibility of injury than I am about the likelihood that he'll refuse to alert the training staff. Thing is, his silence against the Packers came back and bit us in the *ss because he pitched three INTs, two of which went to spots on the field where only defenders dwelt. If he played and I was his coach, I'd yank him after he sustained his first hard hit, even if he didn't appear to be hurt because we can't trust him to do the right thing. Coach needs to talk to Tua's dad and advise him to have a word about personal responsibility to care for himself more than the team.
Tua's father might be the wrong guy to talk to. He's probably pushing the doctors to get him back on the field. lol
Maybe. Listening to the radio today (ESPN), the national media is circling this like sharks. If he plays and (God forbid) gets injured, McDaniel will need to retire with a Belichick level of accomplishments to erase the stain. I think he's handled everything right so far, including the Cincinnati game. But the talking heads already have him gauged out to be a win first and damn the players' well-being type of guy and putting him in against the Jills might cement that judgment - whether he gets hurt or not. Whatever we decide to do, I hope Tua comes out of this weekend without longterm ramifications. Oh man, would I LOVE to see him lead us to a win, though.
I'm going through reading all of these post and was going to post this. This from an article in People Magazine... "Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow revealed he's suffered head injuries on the field that left him forgetting how the rest of the game went. On Wednesday's episode of The Colin Cowherd Podcast, 25-year-old Burrow, who was on the field when Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa sustained a frightening head injury, said that "everybody that plays this game" has "had a concussion." Burrow continued, "I've had some [hits] where I don't remember the second half or I don't remember the entire game or I know I got a little dizzy at one point. But nothing long-lasting." The quarterback was unable at first to describe what sustaining a concussion feels like: "It's hard to say," he said. "You start to ring a little bit. I've never had any lasting effects from a concussion. I've been hit and forgot the rest of the game before. That has happened a couple of times." Fow whatever reason, Tua Tagovailoa has become as polarizing of a quarterback as Tim Tebow. Because of this polarization I would venture to say that 95% of people are in one of two camps; you're either FOR Tua and you're AGAINST Tua. There is no middle ground. If you're against Tua, your opposition has evolved. He's weak armed...he can't throw the long ball...all he does is dink and dunk. Those were ALL the arguments against Tua coming into this season. Now? He's injury prone...He's had a concussion...he's had two concussions...he's had three concussions...we have to save him from himself. Newsflash...Dateline USA...Professional American Football is a violent sport! Bob Griese, Terry Bradshaw, Joe Thiesmann, Joe Montana, Dennis Byrd, Ryan Shazier, Alex Smith, Tua Tagovailoa, Damar Hamlin...Just a HANDFUL of those who were affected by the catastrophic violence professional football. Some of these players were able to return following their injuries and cheered for their courage and fortitude. Others were never able to...their careers were instantly ended. But when it comes to Tua? You watch...mark my words. Damar Hamlin being the warrior that he is (as are all NFL players) will make a comeback and he will be revered and celebrated when he takes the field once again, (much as Alex Smith was). The player who had to have CPR administered to him on the field will be praised for his courage...but Tua? The selective scrutiny...the selective "concern" is utterly nauseating.
I agree with 90% of your post, TDK. But I don't think the concern is entirely "selective" or disingenuous. I see Tua's situation the way I saw it when Golden State played Milwaukee in the NBA Finals and there was concern about Kevin Durant playing after a long stint on IR with a lower leg injury. He was hesitant to play because his calf was still sore but since team medical staff determined it wasn't subject to further injury, the media, Warriors fans and his teammates all pressured him to help them win. He came back and promptly snapped his Achilles tendon. You can't prevent injury in sports. But you can be smart about protecting players who might reinjure themselves by returning too soon. I believe the concern is legit, although the hyperbolic nature of many of the folks expressing it makes it seem like they're using his health as fodder for ratings.
Thats a great ,reasonable question. If one is overly concerned about a players overall health why is it his team mates are labeled " soft", for being equally concerned.? " I'm only concerned for the players well being and overall safety, that is until he decides to abandon the sideline during a game. Then he and/or his team mates , are soft for allowing it." . WTF ??
Your trope is old. This is the same thing you do to other posters. Blah blah blah you probably shouldn't watch. Nothing but ad hominem and strawman attacks, with an occasional red herring thrown in.
Omg, res. I feel for you broths’. Ha! I just read this s—t. These are some of the most ignorant arguments I have ever seen from Tuanonners. I mean, these are really new lows for them:
None of these debates matter.Does he give the best chance to win yes.Will he play?Noway the NFL will clear him even if he is ready.They will not take the chance of the PR nightmare if he gets another one on national Tv.. My belief was this guy is fragile before we drafted him and I will say it now me and others have been proven correct.Anyone that debates this is delusional.Facts are facts. Another Playoff beat down is coming unless the preseason Skylar decides to show up
"You watch...mark my words. Damar Hamlin being the warrior that he is (as are all NFL players) will make a comeback and he will be revered and celebrated when he takes the field once again, (much as Alex Smith was). The player who had to have CPR administered to him on the field will be praised for his courage...but Tua?" Exactly! this will happen
That’s a very interesting chart. That tells me that Brady and Rodgers had worse years than it even appeared, and Joe Burrow was even better. Not for the last time, I wish we hadn’t won those meaningless games and were able to draft him.
Ok, if you say that's truly how you feel, then who am I to dispute that? I don't know you personally. All I'm saying is this would sting a bit more for you if it was a quarterback that you yourself actually liked, am I right? As far as minimizing the concussion issue...Trust me when I say this...I'm not at all doing that. This is brain trauma we're talking about here. Very serious for the long term. This is the third time he's had his bell rung this season. It's time to at the very least, pack it in for the year and do some soul searching on Waikiki for a few weeks (what better place for that?). I think this franchise needs to re-evaluate this entire situation. I think that there needs to be legitimate concern for Tua as a person, but I also think this franchise needs to do what is best for IT as well. We can't just sit on this for the next four months until the draft. A decision needs to be made on what we're going to do moving forward. If I'm Ross, Grier, whoever makes player decisions I'm going to start exploring other options at the position. Concussions, head injuries are absolutely terrifying in my opinion and I would not want that on my conscience as an owner/GM, etc. Now Tua led the NFL in passer rating...Quite impressive if you ask me. Bad Quarterbacks don't do that. He was on pace for about 40 TD passes had he played the whole year...Bad Quarterbacks don't do that. He was in the top 3 of the MVP race after week 13...Bad Quarterbacks don't have a dog in that race that late into the season. I'm also very well aware that Quarterbacks in the NFL have an extremely long shelf life. Do you remember Rich Gannon winning an MVP at age 38 after being a backup his entire career? Randall Cunningham in Minnesota after his career looked dead? Geno Smith this year? Tua is still young! All these things to consider, all these positives to keep in mind about Tua. There's no way I'm not rooting for him! And yet....I still think it's best that he hangs it up so that his life doesn't become a constant fog of migraines by the time he hits 40 years old. So believe me when I tell you that I am taking the concussion issue very very seriously. Seriously enough to say that as much as I do believe in him, the injuries are always going to be a hindrance and the concussions are the scariest of them all. Do I wish we had drafted Burrow? Yeah...We led that race and we gave it away. Do I wish we had drafted Herbert? I honestly thought he was a lock for us to take that year. We had been scouting him relentlessly for like two years before he turned pro from what I remember. All I heard about was how Ross had a pitched tent in his pants for Justin Herbert. We drafted Tua, it really doesn't matter at this point. I have been rooting hard for Tua to succeed because our franchise and future depended on it. Somewhere along the way this became some sort of political battle of Pro Tua vrs Anti Tua. I honestly feel like I'm at a presidential debate in here at times and I hate that. All I want us to do is win games. Looks like that's gonna have to wait.
I don't dislike Tua though, when though I though he was the wing pick. I was ecstatic when Tua was dominating for that stretch of games this season. Then the wheels feel off and Tua's fragility came screaming back to the forefront. If you think that I'm happy that Tua is not the answer, I'm not. We are screwed for probably a decade because we drafted him and wasted all those picks, Ross for another taken away, so we are not going to be able to draft one high. I wanted nothing more than for Tua to prove me wrong, but it just didn't happen.
Well I don't know if we're done with him yet, but I think we probably should be. I can't believe I'm actually looking at the top quarterback prospects for 2023.
