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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Giving Tua any guaranteed money past this season is just stupidity. However, Chris Grier is very stupid and very stubborn. So you never know how badly he's going to ruin the organization before Ross finally pays blood money for the dirt and cuts ties.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Perhaps, also could be common sense too and something that was talked about at length last year
     
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  3. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    If they believed in him the deal would already be done. Actions speak louder than words.
     
  4. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Stay with me: The first job of a GM is to find ways to improve his team every single day. Literally every other thing on their long list of tasks is secondary. For us to obtain Jackson would mean that we'd be shipping out assets that would crush our ability to stay competitive, let alone improve in addition to giving him ~25% of our salary cap when he has similar durability issues to Tua. If Grier could replace Tua for a better QB and acceptable financial situation, I'm all for it. If he traded Tua straight up for Jackson, I wouldn't complain (other than the salary implications).

    But losing 2 first-round picks and additional assets is too rich for my blood. If that's a problem for you, I hope you figure out a way to deal with it.
     
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  5. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Where is Joe Burrow's? His 5th-year option hasn't been picked up either.

    Teams have time.
     
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  6. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Deep Ball Project twitter thread:


    Enjoy.
     
  7. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, totally. It was just a thought...I don't think it's something that needs to or should happen. I personally think we can keep it rolling with Tua one way or the other. Hopefully he gets past the injury issues (I think he will). If he can do that, there's no reason at all to look anywhere else for a quarterback.
    I think the offensive line remains top priority. We just need to continue working towards building that as solid as we possibly can. If we can keep Tua protected, everything will be just fine.
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Stay with me.

    I'm. Not. Advocating. For. Jackson. Literally NOT ONCE did I ever say that. This whole line of post from me stemmed from Silver asking a question and me answering that the Dolphins are dysfunctional, which is why they would consider offering 2 firsts plus cash for Lamar.
     
  9. Vertical Limit

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    As i said in a previous post , i have no doubt the dolphins are looking for quarterback.. but it doesnt mean that Tua is out of the picture.

    theyre just not going to the 2023 training camp with Bridgewater and Thompson.. theyre probably looking for a strong vet quarterback.. and a a late day 1 or early day 2 quarterback.

    its the responsible thing to do considering how our season derailed with Tua’s concussions..

    i dont think Jimmy G is an option.. hes likely to be out of our reach and signing with the raiders for a nice dollar amount
     
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  10. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Yup. I'm just as sure we'll be seeking a better QB room. With that being said, it would be irresponsible to not seek to constantly upgrade the position (including starter), regardless of who the QB is.
     
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  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Bro the Packers are about to take Jordan Love over Rogers. He's been a weirdo and a headache for awhile, but last year his play also took a nosedive. Absolutely not worth it.
     
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  12. resnor

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    I'm not arguing that Rodgers is or isn't better or on the decline.

    I just find it silly that every other available QB the Tua guys will find fault with, even if it's the same faults that they defend Tua for.
     
  13. Silverphin

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    Maybe because every alternative mentioned either warrants the same criticism people fling at Tua (Jackson, Garapollo) or are up there in age and showing signs of decline (Brady, Rogers).
     
  14. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    If you aren't arguing these things why are you mocking people for wanting to keep Tua instead?
     
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  15. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Going to be a battle with NE for 3rd if the Jets get Rodgers.
     
  16. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    I guess you might as well not watch and continue to post here then.
     
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  17. KeyFin

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    You'd think Rodgers would look at the AFC East and have 2nd thoughts- very tough division.
     
  18. dolphin25

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    I don't think he would be good fit with coach or team.
     
  19. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Watching a bad team play is the life of a Dolphins fan. Worst part about this team moving forward is it has too much talent to be really bad. Picking in the middle. Being bad enough to never go anywhere. Being good enough to not pick at the top. It's really worst case scenario for this organization.
     
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  20. StaleTacos

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    I'm surprised just because I didn't think his personality would align with left leaning NY/NJ.

    Jets as a team are stacked, and already have the best defense or near best defense in the league. Weapons on offense. They'll be a legit contender for the AFC East title, and more. I mean they already put up a good fight with trash cans at the QB position.
     
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  21. Fireland

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    Jets having a possibly interesting young team only to mess it up by getting desperate for possibly one year on Rodgers in a stacked conference shouldn't be anything to be bothered by as a Dolphin fan. Its about 1000x better than them getting Lamar.
     
  22. Vertical Limit

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    The media coverage about Lamar Jackson is pathetic.

    listen, i think he should get paid, if Deshaun Watson can get paid, if Daniel Jones can get paid.. if kyler murray and russell wilson can get paid.. then Lamar definitely deserve it.

    but dont deflect the Baltimore Ravens drama to other teams. Trading for a quarterback like Lamar Jackson means emptying out your assets, it means making significant roster moves to fit him into the cap.

    look at where the Browns stand.. its going to be Deshaun and a bunch of nobodies for a while because they dont have picks.. look at what the broncos gave up just to get Wilson, and they too are without picks..

    the cardinals are talking about trading Hopkins to fix their salary cap problems, due to a large contract extension they gave Kyler who will likely miss the 2023 season.

    this is a Ravens problem, not our problem. The ravens are doing the whole NFL dirty by trying to use other teams to devalue their own.
     
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  23. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Lamars biggest enemy is himself because he doesn't have an agent but the scrutiny teams are getting is totally fair. There is zero reason for most of these teams to be racing to let it be known they aren't interested.

    And everyone should be skeptical of the owners colluding to not give guaranteed money
     
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  24. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't make a ton of sense. What are you gaining? What if Lamar lowers his asking? Why would you rule yourself out?
     
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  25. Serpico Jones

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    “He had a lot of injury issues when he was here with us at Alabama. Any time a guy starts having multiple concussions a year it’s a cause for major concern” -Nick Saban on Tua.
     
  26. Serpico Jones

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    Flores wanted to draft Jordan Love instead of Tua according to the Big O and Omar Kelly. He was overruled by Stephen Ross.
     
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  27. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    He also had a concussion at Alabama. Can't believe they are going to give him another year. This was the make it or break it season, and it was a break. Move on.
     
  28. dolphin25

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    They are working on long term contract
     
  29. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Another sourceless, and context-free random quote brought to you by Serpico Jones.
     
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  30. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    So that means he wanted Jordan Love over Herbert too. This is total bull ****.
     
  31. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Barry Jackson reported that he agreed with the Tua pick and the only reason people think he wanted Herbert is because he likes big QBs and they are making an assumption he would like Herbert if that is the case

    Omar Kelly said they would have taken Herbert if that is what Flores wanted

    Armando Salguero said the same thing
     
  32. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Your time would have been better spent if you didn't write this post and just searched for it. Wasn't difficult.

     
  33. M1NDCRlME

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    I wasn't laughing. You and I were on the same page with the Hurts logic. I'm not gonna bag on Tua, but Hurts is showing what we were seeing and thinking at the time.
     
  34. KeyFin

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    I was on that bandwagon too, simply because we could have taken Hurts in the 2nd and then used that top pick for the draft's top LB/S/CB/WR or whatever we wanted. Then everything else would play out basically the same with Fitz at the helm for a season or two.

    I don't regret that we took Tua, because players like Hurts generally don't have long careers. Just look at Cam Newton and how long it's been since he was past his prime due to injuries and age. Lamar Jackson will be the same story a couple of years down the road, because teams figure out how to contain and it comes down to pure arm talent.

    But now, looking back at what we already know, will Tua have a longer career than Hurts? I don't know. I also don't love that we're hearing whispers of Brady to Miami, because that means the front office is at least considering that we may need another top tier QB on the roster. So while Tua's currently my "ride or die" quarterback, I am a little nervous.
     
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  35. Tuanon4Life

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    This narrative makes no sense. Total contradiction. Miami would have took Herbert if that's who Flores wanted but if Love was his guy they would take Tua instead?
     
  36. hitman8

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    That's Tuanon logic for you.
     
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  37. Fireland

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    I don't disagree and that is Omar Kelly for you but at the very bare minimum the reporting on who Flores wanted is mixed other than they all wanted Burrow
     
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  38. invid

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    They can pile that on, later, after picking up his 5th-year option. Josh Allen got his 5th year option and then an extension a couple months later.

    A majority of the people posting in this thread have a timeline in their head that is inconsistent with how these deals generally get done.
     
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  39. Tuanon4Life

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    I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks bro!
     
  40. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    The problem is Rogers is a selfish and "me-first" player. He's basically admitted he's pushing his stats even at the expense of the team. I can see Garrett Wilson having a big year while they still flounder in the .500 range and compete for last in the division.

    This sounds kind of like nonsense, and it doesn't really mean anything good for Flores. That guy can go kick rocks.
     
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