Tua is not the Problem

I agree that Chubb and Wilson were gambles. They were what I call momentum gambles. We had a ton of momentum going right around the deadline and yes...They doubled down and added both Chubb and Wilson. The Wilson acquisition wasn't that big of a deal, we knew what we were getting. Chubb disappointed for the most part, but he showed up in the playoffs for us, so he did deliver when it mattered. For the life of me, I can't understand why we went after Chubb over Roquan Smith who happens to be the best in the game at his position and was also a position of glaring need for us. The hope from here on out is that Bradley Chubb regains his former pro bowl form and we can all move on from it and build something. He's still very young, so I think it can happen.

In regards to Tua, what exactly are our other choices at quarterback? It's like owning a Ferrari that is constantly broke down and being taken to a mechanic. What do you do with it? You either trade it in and take a hell of a loss and end up driving your sisters Chevy Cruze, or you make a couple attempts at fixing it and getting it right.
We've invested so much in Tua already and the team is built to win now. Aaron Rodgers isn't coming here, Tom Brady is DONE, and Lamar Jackson arguably is injured just as much as Tua is. Would you like Andy Dalton? Jameis Winston? Gardner Minshew because of his cool mustache? Carson Wentz? Those are the options... You replace Tua wiith one of them and we are going nowhere unless they come here as a backup. Are you mad because we picked up his fifth year option, and you think he didn't earn it? Ok...That's a fair take, but our current window is tied directly to Tua and the amount of success he has as the quarterback of this team. If it's not working by the end of his fifth year, we move on from everyone. McDaniels will have had three years to prove something, if we still suck we can cut our losses, rebuild the team, relinquish Ross of ownership duties, overthrow the Chris Grier establishment, tear down the goalposts, demand that the old logo return, and tank for Arch Manning.

 

The Jets are playing Chess, while everyone else in the league is playing Old Maid...You just wait and see. Seriously though, Aaron Rodgers in NY with the Jets would be every bit as God awful to see as it was when Favre went there. He's been one of my favorite quarterbacks for a long time and to see him in a Jets uniform would simply be a horrific act of pure shame. Hopefully he goes to Vegas instead.

 

Love him or hate him, Tua is Miami’s best chance to be successful in ‘23-‘24.

And who knows, maybe if Miami loses Tua to injury early - they are able to lure old man Brady out of retirement to make another run at it.

 

But you are basing "they are on a decline" on one season. You guys are basing too much (good and bad) on one season, and in Tua's case not even one full season. If Rodgers has a 2nd year of being bad, then I'm fully on the he's on a decline train. Until then, it's just a blip in data of long greatness, and can be explained by other things. In Rodgers case a broken thumb is pretty important aspect, or in Brady's case he looked like he lost 30lbs from the divorce.

And it's funny you are guys are siding with the Dolphin's organization decision making. A team that hasn't won a playoff game in 23 years. A lightbulb ever go off in your heads?

 

I think Rodgers is pretty viable the more i look into it. His actual cap hit is a lot less than i though it would be. 15m or so. You can trade Tua and get some of the draft capital back AND you save some money against the cap. That's what i would do. Rodgers on the Jets will be scary. Hope he retires or goes elsewhere.

 

Let Rodgers go to the Jets. I'll stick with the guy trying everything he can to improve and be our franchise QB for the next ten years. A guy who is loved and respected by his teammates. You really want a guy who won't show up to camp and then strolls in like he owns the place before he holds us hostage next year whether he's playing again? I want nothing to do with Rodgers for a list of reasons.

 

While Chubb didn't individually dominate, the sack numbers when he became a Dolphin greatly improved. I disagree that he disappointed for the most part unless you were wanting a hall of fame season after joining a team half way through.

 

Phillips and Wilkins played like all-pros as soon as he arrived. Teams gameplan to take Chubb out of the game and other guys benefited. He had a strip sack in the playoff game that if Miami would have recovered would have changed the whole game. Next year will be completely different season for him with Fangio.

 

Oh, Tua has trade value now? For a useless, noodle arm, brain dead quarterback that's pretty good.

 

Every excuse in the book for guys not named Tua.

 

Those cap hits are still coming even if he retires next year. Jets are going to be eating a big dead cap hit.

 

Hey if you guys think Tua is great and the Dolphins think Tua is great. I'm sure there are other really smart people that think the same. Based on your opinion, we could probably get 3 1st rounders, right?

It's pretty funny to argue Rodgers isn't the better option at QB, and then also argue the QB you want who is paid far less, wouldn't bring back a better package than you'd give up for Rodgers. But that's what you are doing. The irony is too real.

 

It's really not that big of a cap hit in future years, and you could re-work it too. It would basically be the same hit as Tua's option year in 2024. And it goes down even further from there. If the idea is to go in the next couple years, then go all in with a QB that's on Rodgers level and stays on the field.

 

I'm not just basing the decline on just the one season.

Tom Brady retired and the only team going after Aaron Rodgers are The New York Jets. And going by your logic, if we can't trust Miami's decision making because they haven't won a playoff game in 23 years, the fact that only a team that hasn't even made the playoffs since 2010 is going after Rogers should be a red flag to you.

 

1. It's not necessarily a fact Jets are the only team. Additionally, Rodgers is driving this and is choosing teams.
2. Not every owner is willing to write MASSIVE checks to cover all the cash upfront and give up the draft capital. Dolphins fans are very lucky to have an owner like Ross that does.

 

If he retires the best case is 30 million in dead cap over two seasons. Certainly retiring is a real possibility since he already flirting with it now.

Even if he tells them he will play for 2 years he might now since he made the same commitment to the Packers.

No reporting is linking any other team as being interested. Rodgers wants another ring and doesn't want an NFC team where it would be much much easier?

IF you believe he wants the Jets and only the Jets how can you complain about Miami not being interested? You must believe Rodgers doesn't want them.

 

Do you know any other team gunning for Rogers?

 

Barry Jackson says the name being most talked about with the Dolphins backup quarterback situation is Gardner Minshew.

 

Eww. Who gives a s—- about the back up? Skylar is fine. I am more worried about the starter at this point.

 

Eewww sceeto, what's your brilliant idea for starting quarterback?

 

They're proof that those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat them.

 

I know all teams don't negotiate in the media like the Jets are doing. I have no idea what other teams are interested. You'd have to think about a team who wants to win in next 1-2 years, isn't rebuilding, already has a lot of talent, just needs a QB, and has an owner willing to shell out a massive sum of money.

 

This is the name I really want to see. Gardner’s career stats are significantly better than Daniel Jones’, and I think he has enough similarities to Tua (accurate, good anticipation, not the strongest arm) that the offense shouldn’t fall off a cliff if he has to come in as the starter.

 

Rodgers is 39. He's not scary anymore.

 

People think QBs don't age because Brady somehow never did

 

He has lost the ability to scramble. I believe the Jets are going to ask him to be a game manager. I don't know if that's in his DNA.

I just find it funny how a 39 year old quarterback who hasn't been to a Superbowl in 14 years is all of a sudden going to take a team that hasn't been to a Superbowl in 50 years. The coach is not a good coach and the defense is overrated because of their inability to get takeaways.

 

Says who?

Rodgers had an off year. And it's not nearly as bad as you guys are trying to make it out to be.

 

The Packers

 

I'm sure you said the same dumb thing when he won MVPs at 37 & 38 years old.

 

There are many reasons why a team would choose to move on, other than declining abilities.

 

Exactly. And nobody knows these reasons better than the Packers.

 

The only one that makes sense is they really like Love but if they did they wouldn't have given Rodgers the deal last year.

Of course Packers could be wrong about him but they clearly think he is over the hill and they are sick of his **** as well.

 

I dont mind it.. Gardner, and draft a quarterback early

 

I never said Rodgers was bad. I said he's 39. As in, we wont have any longevity by acquiring him. He's going to be done by 41 at the latest. Denver barely, and I mean barely by the grace of the referees and Cam Newton's childish actions were able to win one Super Bowl with Peyton Manning, and that was done in the dying light of his career in a year where Brock Osweiler was the better quarterback for that team. So yeah...I think Rodgers is starting to fall off a bit. It would be incredibly foolish on our side to part with Tua, and then trade for Aaron Rodgers at this stage in his career. Don't get me wrong, when the rumors first started up, I thought long and hard about it and I even posed a question on here regarding the general idea of Rodgers. It's really a moot point as of now because we are committed to Tua for at least two more years like it or not. If Rodgers was 30 years old I would be pounding the table for us to trade for him. He's truly a great player and has been for a long time. I just think he's close to done and I think Tua has earned another two years here after what he was able to do when healthy last year.

 

Take it for what it's worth:

 

The packers are reportedly disgusted with Rodgers behavior..

The fact that he continues to leave his team hanging in limbo is all you need to know about why they are disgusted

He deserves to be shipped off to the jets

**** them, that team is overrated as hell

 

The Jets and Rodgers deserve each other!

 

Dude played 12 weeks on a broken thumb, and still put up great numbers. He also pissed tons of people off with his stance on the injections, so I'm not surprised that there is a negative cloud around him.

I just don't see this past season as evidence that he's fallen off, or that he'll be done in 2 years. He might be, but her might not be.

I think a 39 year old Rodgers gives us a better chance than Tua.

JMO

 

The Jets fans are already sick of Rodgers for taking his time and he's not even there yet. It's gonna be a beautiful disaster this year in New York.

 

Maybe he should have put his ego aside and sat out with a broken thumb. He only cares about his stats.