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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    There's a report button. Nobody used it until today.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If they keep him they pay him 60 mill
     
  3. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Thank you Byroan!!!! Where the hell have you guys been????
     
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  4. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    Yes! Let's get back to complaining about picking Tua over Herbert for eternity.
     
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  5. cbrad

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    Yeah right.. all the arguments about Tua have been hashed and re-hashed. There's nothing new. But to your point, maybe we can re-title this thread: "Herbert is the problem" lol.
     
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  6. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    We could change it to "Herbert Is The Enemy"
    I think eternity is a stretch here bud...We've got maybe....12 more years of this I'm guessing and then it'll be gone. It'll feel like an eternity.
     
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  7. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Eh, true. I didn't think about that aspect. They're not going to bench $60M just to make him retire.
     
  8. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    That's just silly. Herbert can't be the problem until Herbert actually wins a championship. Or even an AFC title. He's a .500 quarterback with zero playoff wins. Trust me, he's not the problem, LOL.
     
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  9. cbrad

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    I was joking dude. I've been the one pointing out since almost 2 years ago that his stats don't look right for typical elite QB. There are 3 main issues so far with Herbert:

    1) Statistically solid but not elite
    2) Shows no improvement over 3 years
    3) Choked in only playoff game

    Herbert > Tua is only marginally true right now, and that's primarily due to not missing crucial games. Year 4 is the decider. Tua needs to prove he can play at a high level again in year 4 (top 7 in passer rating is generally 1 standard deviation above the mean so that's what I'm hoping to see), be sufficiently healthy to play most games (doesn't have to play all), take us to the playoffs and win an actual playoff game.

    We'll see which of Herbert and Tua ends up being the better choice. Herbert is more durable but right now looks like has less upside.
     
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  10. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    If Herbert loses Ekeler, I think we are going to see a steep decline in his statistics. That's 100+ catches and 1000 yards off right there. He's basically his number one receiver and a YAC beast. Allen is a short possession receiver at best at this stage in his career and Williams is injury prone. If the Chargers lose Ekeler they aren't even close to a playoff team.
     
  11. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I was looking for it! I see it now on mobile, but for the life of me couldn’t find it earlier in the week.
     
  12. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It was fun while it lasted.
     
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  13. resnor

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    The only topic that has generated that much posting in ****ing years. Lmao
     
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  14. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Trent Sherfield, officially a Jill and taking his shots.
    [​IMG]
     
  15. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    What a loser.
     
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  16. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Ask him how that works out for him when he has either Howard or Ramsey defending him
     
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  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He isn't taking shots. If you read the full interview this comes after he said he thought he was going to be a Dolphin and then when that door was shut, he started looking elsewhere.

    He chose the Bills over other teams because they have an elite quarterback. The Dolphins weren't part of the comparison.
     
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  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    got news for you trent, elite qbs dont make elite receivers, dumb quote.
     
  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm glad you posted about Ramsey.

    Why has there been like zero talk about that? My buddy had said something a week or so ago while we were paying CoD, about Ramsey going to Miami. Then I saw zero posts about it on here, and just never looked it up, to see if it had happened, until after just reading your post.
     
  20. brandon27

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    Who?
     
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  21. cbrad

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    ?? There's an entire thread about Ramsey:
    https://thephins.com/threads/jalen-ramsey-to-the-dolphins.98231/

    Unless you put TheHighExhaulted (the guy who started the thread) on ignore that thread should be visible. Fantastic signing.
     
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  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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  23. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Fragile are we?
     
  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Nah, just every interaction was an exercise in futility, so I no longer waste my time with him. I had him on block for awhile, took him off the past year or two, and finally out him back on since he just trolls and instigates, and the mods don't seem to do anything, since he's been doing this for years.
     
  25. OwesOwn614

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  26. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I stand corrected:

    Sherfield isn’t dissing Tua Tagovailoa but some fans want to believe he is

    by Brian Miller
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    Trent Sherfield is making the media rounds, specifically the Buffalo Bills media rounds, and somehow, Tua Tagovailoa keeps coming up, sort of.

    Let’s be upfront right from the start, Trent Sherfield does not say anything bad about Tua Tagovailoa but you have to start to wonder about the Dolphins’ offense and a blueprint that teams may be figuring out that could stop a Tua run offense that we saw excel at times last year.


    Sherfield, as the video points out in his words, Miami’s offense is based on critical timing and that the QB is going to throw the ball to a spot whether a receiver is there or not. He continues to say that in Buffalo, the offense will be timing as well but that with Josh Allen, there is more opportunity for plays after a route is run. Sherfield says that Allen’s ability to extend plays is one of those reasons why.

    Now, Sherfield is not taking a stab at Tua but it does make you wonder if Miami’s quarterback is capable of making extended plays consistently. We saw last season against the 49ers and Chargers as well as the Texans game that if defenses take away Miami’s ability to make quick throws, the offense will struggle, as will every offense.

    This is another reason why Miami’s running game has to be better than it was as well. A strong consistent run game will keep defenses from playing that quick pass and allow the QB more time.

    While Sherfield isn’t taking a swipe at Tua it does show that the playing style of Tagovailoa is something that could be more of a one-dimensional situation and needs to change a bit.

    Tua has shown that he can extend plays but not at the level that Josh Allen can. The biggest key here that Sherfield doesn’t mention is that Miami’s offense is so quick that the ball is gone before Tua gets into trouble. That eliminates plays typically being extended beyond a route.

    This is something that he will need to work on, however, and we have to believe that Mike McDaniel is going to open more of his playbook now that Tua has a full year in the system.

    Sherfield isn’t going to hype up the Dolphins to Bills media and he isn’t going to diss his new teammates either. He is giving an honest answer to a question about what he will see with the Bills compared to Miami. And it is pretty spot-on without being a slant on his former QB.

    Is this implying that there are limitations to what Tua Tagovailoa can or can’t do on the field? Probably not but if you believe what some in the media see and some of the fanbase, there is going to be a doubt as we have already seen on social media. In reality, it is more fuel to a simmering ember that is only waiting for a reason to ignite.

    Sadly, Tua is going to have to deal with the negativity until he clearly demonstrates it’s unwarranted…which it is at this stage of his career and Miami Dolphins fans are going to have to endure the loud minority who want every reason to yell that Tua is the problem.

    https://phinphanatic.com/2023/03/21...ng-without-naming-tua-tagovailoa/?a_aid=46089
     
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  27. StaleTacos

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    Damn. Didn't he see Tua's passer rating for like 5 games?
     
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  28. OwesOwn614

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    Including the 104 and 123 that he put up against Buffalo? Probably.
     
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  29. StaleTacos

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    Yep. Pretty much. Tua just a spot thrower in the middle of the field w/ elite receivers. Teams started messing with the timing the final month of the season, and Tua was toast.

     
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  30. TheHighExhaulted

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    Stats and facts don't resonate with resnor. When you prove him wrong he gets quiet and moves on. I know exactly when he blocked me, he tried to make a point that Garopolo was more durable than Tua and had only missed six or so games in his career. When I provided that Garopolo has actually missed close to 40 games in his career he got quiet and blocked me.
     
  31. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Don't bother posting stats and facts to resnor. It doesn't compute and he ignores it and moves on to the next topic.
     
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  32. Ophinerated

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    "Josh Allen with his ability to extend plays and to be able to make nothing out of something" LOL Starting at 24 seconds in.

    I like that statement from Tent in that interview. I know it was just a mistake, but it's still funny.
     
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  33. hitman8

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    Exactly. Tua is a system QB and spot thrower who relies on timing and anticipation, he is not the type of QB who can extend plays all over the field and make plays on his own like Allen can.
     
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  34. resnor

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    Shurfield claims something that people on here have been criticized for saying, that Tua is throwing to a spot, he's not throwing them open.

    Interesting read.
     
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  35. resnor

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    Also, just to address something that kinda keeps popping up, this idea that Tua doesn't need to extend plays because of his quick release. That is the wrong way of looking at it. The reality, Tua has to have the quick release, because he's injury prone and lacks elite traits to extend plays. So the quick release saves him, but it's not like it's this great positive about Tua, not like it was with Marino.
     
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  36. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    We get it, Josh Allen can do some things that most every other quarterback can't. But, somehow that's a shot at Tua.

    You are all hilarious.
     
  37. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I know, right? Wait until the other 30 teams realize their QBs aren't Josh Allen. That's gonna upset a lot of people.

    [​IMG]
     
  38. TheHighExhaulted

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    Except win MVP's or beat good teams in the playoffs I should have added.
     
  39. Finatik

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    Like the bombs down the middle. Spot thrower and timing. OK.
     
  40. OwesOwn614

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    **Ahem!**
     
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