Tua is not the Problem

Tua is the best QB we have had in 20+ years. Let's just all cross our fingers he stays healthy.

 

If the problem is the scheme got figured out then that’s McDaniel’s job to fix.

 

It didn't. The Bills game and GB pre concussion would have looked different if it had.

 

So, now Tua sucks because he's a spot thrower and doesn't have the ability to throw receivers open.
Holy good Lord, now I know why I stayed away from this thread for a while.
The haters are out-doing themselves.
I guess Tua should be ashamed of himself for being elite at his skill set.

 

Not all teams are good at learning from other defenses and aplying the same formula. Buffalo's defense did not clog the middle of the field and press recievers like the chargers did, they just basically played the same scheme they'd been playing all year which we were ready for.

 

A full offseason is very different than a week or even a few weeks of practice mid-season. Whether McD and Tua can adapt to how defenses played them near the end of the season is still an unknown. No one here should assume they can't. Let it play out first.

If we see our offense struggle in 2023 then you have all the evidence you need Tua isn't the answer. But if it does well? lol.. Tua haters haven't left themselves much of an off-ramp.

 

Your scheme can only do so much. Like if you go back and watch SF, the scheme provided plenty of open receivers. Tua was just missing because timing was thrown off and he needed to process on his own. Tua needs everything on schedule and planned. We know from his Wonderlic scores, he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. When things go off schedule, he's a trainwreck. This is going back to his Alabama days.

 

I haven't read much of this thread but what's the beef with Tua beyond health? He's not perfect but he has been quite productive.

 

Some people didn't want him to be the draft pick and they are very desperate to be right so they are rooting against him

 

I truly believe we want to be a running team at our core. If Tua had stayed upright we wouldv'e seen a lot more of Mostart and Wilson. We were the most injure team in the NFL, missed our starting QB multiple games, had an off year in terms of defense, a brand new offensive scheme..... And still won 9 games and made the playoffs in a brutal AFCE.

A healthy Tua and the entire offense in the second year of the scheme? This team should be hosting playoff games next year.

 

So funny..

Same folks that said he couldn’t play the position because he’s too whatever, once their traps go smacked then it was durability, now it’s he’s just a spot thrower

 

I agree with your first paragraph, but not the second.

If Tua is out there executing MCDANIELS offense and the plays are failing, that’s not on Tua. He’s going out there and doing what he’s told.

Now if Tua is FAILING to execute the plays being called, then absolutely that’s on Tua.

 

I think we should put a 3,000 post limit on threads. Anything after that just turns into mental masturbation around here. Like the infamous Thill forever thread, whens the last time a new point was brought up by either side of the discussion? These kind of threads just turn into the worst of POFO threads where both sides just look like jackasses.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...scores-in-history-and-how-to-take-sample-test

The wonderlic is a farce.

 

No way to tell the difference. Coaches adapt to players' abilities, and a good enough player can make almost any OC look good. The kind of distinction you're trying to make exists only in theory. In practice, experts will look at the same plays and come to different conclusions. So that just becomes an excuse.

No excuses year 4.

btw.. just to give you a concrete example of how the distinction you're trying to make doesn't work in practice: if the HC dumbs down the plays for a QB who executes them well, but because he had to dumb down the plays the offense suffers, whose fault is it? According to your post it's the coach's fault, but in reality it's the QB's fault. No way to tell in practice who is really at fault.

 

How does that article show it's a farce?

 

Wrong

 

Don't come in spouting **** that isn't true, Deej, when you've been a ghost on the mains for almost a year.

Concussions weren't on anyone's radar for Tua until this past season, so stop acting like people are moving goalposts or making **** up.

This is EXACTLY why this argument continues. You and a few other CONTINUOUSLY and INTENTIONALLY misrepresent what people are saying, and comment on the posters and their intentions or beliefs instead of discussing the content of their posts.

All while continuing to just repeat the same talking points as if they haven't been disputed.

 

#5 overall draft picks shouldn't need a specific system to be successful.

 

You missed the part where it actually became a POFO for a bit...

 

No, I didn't. That was my point

A wise man once told me to not get into arguments with idiots in public because the people watching can't tell who's who. So I lurk around and see if I can figure it out

 

I don’t think it has. We put up a decent amount of points on a top 5 defence with a 3rd string QB in the playoffs.
The 49ers game Tua sucked and the Chargers game I thought they sold out to stop the middle of the field and we didn’t adjust. That was the game where I was worried it had been found out. Also, their DB’s were very physical to the point I thought there should have been numerous flags.

 

LOL..... maybe the dumbest thing I've read in a long while.

According to you, Marino was a less mobile QB for much of his HOF career and his quick release was a great positive. Tua is less mobile QB but his quick release is just covering up his weakness and no big deal......

You could not be more biased.....

 

LOL. Exactly portrays the crap that gets posted here. Too funny.

 

Actually Allen can't play in an offense that relies on elite accuracy, elite quickness, and elite ability to read defenses. He is a boom or bust QB that needs an OL that can protect for 5 seconds and receivers that can run around until Allen can figure out where he needs to throw it and then adjust to poorly thrown passes.

 

LOL. You actually think throwing to a spot is a negative. If any QB can do that and result in top 5 QB stats and top 2 or 3 scoring offenses, WHY DON'T THEY ALL DO IT?

F'n amazing how the obvious eludes people.

 

The fact that Tua's detractors point to Hill and Waddle as the reason for his success while ignoring Burrow's weapons is all you need to know about the BS biases here.

 

What they fail to realize is how difficult it is. They have NO EXPLANATION for why every QB doesn't do it and lead the league in scoring.

They completely discount the difficulty in the mental part of the game to read the defense and make the decision of which spot to throw to in a fraction of the time that most QBs get to make decisions. They also discount the insane ability to throw to spots that accurately so consistently. They discount the foot and release quickness required to get your body in a proper throwing position in a fraction of a second so that the throws can be accurate.

Tua cannot do some of the things Allen can do BUT Allen cannot do some of the things that Tua can do either. The last part is completely ignored by the Tua haters.

 

BS. Allen could not run McDaniel's offense the way Tua does.

 

LOL......

 

WTF are you not getting? He still needs to read the defense, select the correct spot to throw to and do it accurately and on time all in a fraction of a second.

It seems like you honestly believe that Tua has one spot to throw to on each play, gets the snap and throws it..... that's it..... LOL.

 

LOL @ the posters that think this is a negative. They don't realize that players that cannot "throw to a spot" with anticipation get crushed in this league because they need to see the receiver come open BEFORE they will throw it. By then, it is too late. This is one of the biggest flaws that ends QBs' careers.

 

Hmm Res, could swear you’re in this thread talking about how he’s just a spot thrower no??

Am I missing something?

If someone is worried about the durability then fine me too, if he misses five games next year then let’s look elsewhere for a Qb to bring in.

But the ones who were saying he’s not gonna be a very good in this league have been proven wrong and I do t see any of those folks coming to forum and saying,” you know what I was wrong about Tua, he is really good when he’s healthy, very unique Qb with elite traits, but if he gets hurt another year then we gotta move on”

I can respect that.

And just because I don’t post every day in this thread doesn’t mean I’m Mia

 

Yea I agree. Some of us tried to change the subject and someone hit the wah wah weee wah button so we're back to talking in circles.

 

Burrow would be great on most teams, not sure that is true about Tua.

 

Just your opinion. Thanks for not stating as a fact like so many do.

 

Hill had 8 more catches and almost 500 more yards with Tua last year than he had with Mahomes the year before. Perhaps Tua made him a little better?

You can also make the argument that Burrow played with more stars in college and the pros than Tua has. I agree Burrow would probably be a good quarterback in any situation in the NFL, but to say Tua definitely wouldn't be is a little crazy.

 

Exactly. Consistency is all I am looking for.

 

Marino wasn't fragile AF, and maneuvered in the pocket more than anybody, so he could hold the ball longer to allow plays to develop, and could then get rid of it fast because of his quick release

That's the exact opposite of Tua. Tua is fragile AF, so he doesn't hold the ball and extend plays, he throws the ball in like 2 seconds so he doesn't get murdered.

You guys are ridiculous with how you continually attempt to portray what we're saying.