Tua is not the Problem

Sorry, you don't get to exclude games that screw up your narrative.

Please explain how the Raven's game resulted in a passer rating of 104.4 against the Pats and 123.3 against the Bills.

Tua was excellent the Bills game. The defense gave of long drive after long drive and that limited Tua's chances, but damn did he make the most of them.

Sorry, but you just don't get to exclude excellent play and say "see Tua sucks".

Look up cherry picking.....

 

Resnor gives no credit for the Bills game. 13 0f 18, 10.33 YPA, 123 passer rating. All ignored....

 

Damn, if he were better, he might lead the league in some passing categoris some day... We can hope, right?

 

That was 1/3 of the season so far. I sure as hell would take a 469 yard, 6 TD performance every third game.....

 

That’s because he knew exactly how to cut a defense with his legs in a smart aggressive fashion, young added another dimension to that offense, something I’m hoping Tua will finally learn..

At least I heard his trainer agreeing with me and is training him on it

 

You’re becoming a passive aggressive Tua hater

 

Steve Young in San Fran had 4.1 rushing attempts per game, with a 5.9 ypc for a total of 23.9 yards per game and 0.4 TDs per game.
Steve Young is nothing on QBs like Lamar Jackson, Justin Fields or Jalen Hurts who are averaging 8 to 10 carries per game and are averaging 40 to 60 yards per game. Steve Young’s rushing numbers are much closer to Tua’s than the three I just mentioned.

Steve Young did his damage through the air and had a couple of bonus runs tacked on for good luck.
NB Just to clarify Tua adding more running to his skill set is not a bad thing at all and will make him an even more dangerous QB.

 

Personally, I think that's insane. Tua should be learning how to throw the ball away earlier. Not learning how to run which will lead to more contact.

 

That 5.9 YPC figure is about double what Tua has done in his career (3.0). Guy isn't a runner.

 

I wasn’t suggesting that at all.

What I was suggesting is that Steve Young was a successful QB with a weak arm who didn’t run all that much. He ran more than most QBs of his era true, but nowhere near what a modern ‘dual threat’ QB does.

 

Yes. That is clearly insane .

 

Tua running north/south hasn't been a problem, it's when he runs east/west he gets in trouble.

 

I've tried many times to get a few of our Tua doubter friends to review the QB School video of Tua against the Ravens. It is an unbiased look at Tua in that game by a former NFL QB. He points out the good and the bad.

There have been a number of misconceptions perpetuated in this thread. including:
1. Tua is not throwing guys open, he is just a "spot thrower".
2. Tua can't create and extend plays.
3. Tua's quick release and anticipation are no big deal, just covering up a weakness.
4. Tua doesn't go through reads post-snap.



Let's look at the film.

1. Here is a screen shot from his breakdown. He is describing what Tua is doing throwing into a window. His EXACT QUOTE is: "This is what anticipation, throwing guys open means. Multiple windows to be able to get this thing in there."



He also does a good job at the 17:04 mark highlighting Tua's eye manipulation skills. Literally showing him hold a defender so he can throw to the spot he wants.



2. Review of the TD to make it 35-21. When describing the play he says, "This is Tua just creating.... This is what healthy Tua looks like, change of direction, quickness, vision. Get outside the pocket off platform. Great vision. Super accurate throw. ".





3. A review of a hot throw against a blitz that results in two free runners at the QB. "Better ball here and maybe we have an even bigger play, but when does he let this thing go? That is anticipation......When you live in a world of anticipation, okay I acknowledge this is not a great throw.... when you throw it this early and you got guys unblocked in your face running throw the A gap, not everything is going to be perfect on time, all over the place. but the operation, the decisiveness, the operation of the offense is as good as you will ever see. This is outstanding. This is what quarterbacking looks like at a high level."

This is when Tua lets it go:


4. Game winning throw to Waddle. On this play, Tua looks to Hill first, then Gesicki, then Wilson on the outside, then finally Waddle. It also involved movement in the pocket to create time. "This is a great job finding Waddle.... beautiful throw again, the accuracy.... Tua does a great job climbing, moving in the pocket".

Looks to Hill first:



Then Gesicki in the middle:



Then to his left:



Finally, he moves in the pocket, throws on the move and look at this ball placement into tight coverage:



Spot thrower my ***.......

 

Steve Young's career yards per attempt (5.9) would have ranked 4th this year. Allen was 3rd at 6.1

Young in the playoffs would run a ton.

 

Don't even bother. These guys want a quarterback who can throw it 60 yards down field with the flick of a wrist, like this:

 

LOL.

 

I'd take him as a backup instead of Mike White

 

He just got himself cut.

 

He probably reviewed the Dolphins QB situation last year.. I'd take: Tua, Lamar, & White over Tua, Teddy, & Skylar..... LOL

 

That game was on NFL Network two days ago and I caught it right at the start of the 4th quarter (in other words, when the magic happens). That comeback was beyond epic and it should have silenced any Tua-haters saying he's not a rising talent.

However, that's not why I posted. Why go to all the trouble to post all that out, tie in video with time-marked links, etc? You're arguing with folks who saw the game, knows the outcome, and still thinks Tua is lousy. Nobody is going to change those opinions.

My advice? Take your kid to a park or a movie instead. It's much more constructive for your mental health, LOL.

 

The main reason I did it (and I hesitated for days) was to explicitly back up what I was saying the video showed. It is just such a perfect rebuttal to the "spot thrower" label. Several posters have explicitly said that he was not "throwing people open". I provided a direct quote from a former NFL QB and a guy who has a youtube channel dedicated to breaking down QB film. Also, the video breakdowns also usually include all 22 views, which can provide more context to what is actually happening.

Ultimately, I try to add expert analysis to these debates. Then it becomes the opinion of the other poster(s) against the opinion of someone who has no reason to be biased and is far more knowledgable than most of us. The other poster(s) can certainly decide to ignore it. But, they can no longer pretend that it hasn't been said. IMO, that is what some were doing when refusing to comment on the videos.

 

Question: why is EVERYTHING a zero sum game for you? Like, Tua is an NFL QB, and as such he has skills. When someone says he is a "spot thrower," you take that to mean "Tua can ONLY throw to a spot, he NEVER throws with anticipation.". The point being made is that, despite pulling out a couple throws, where he didn't throw to a spot, is that Tua does throw to spots, as evidenced by statements from receivers, and by throwing into double/triple/quadruple coverage, even when there are open guys elsewhere.

It's bad posting, and it's really nothing more than trolling.

 

I highly doubt the organization is as fragile as Tua fans.

 

If it wasn't for trolling this thread wouldn't even exist

 

I'm sure your right. Why would they care?

 

I didnt say he did, steve young was a caculated runner who would test you and wait for you to turn your back to him.

this is the art form I want Tua to learn.

Steve young would abort the play, drop and run up the gut of the defense slide and set the ball down untouched, letting everyone in the stadium know, you are going to have to account for me today

if Tua can run 4 times a game at a 6 yard average, I will be very happy

 

Thats because you cant conceptualize what Im saying.

 

I guess not because any activity that leads to more contact seems like a very bad idea for Tua.

 

you too..

apparently his trainer is insane too and his coaches who know what his trainer is teaching him..

they get it and that all that matters to me, not folks like you who dont understand the concept.

 

wrong..

Hesitation and unsureness leads to contact and injury, determing the outcome is much much safer.

 

He can do that by throwing the ball away. He doesn't need to run which would lead to added contact.

 

you dont get it..all good

 

I think your concept is Tua runs the ball and is untouched every time. I just don't find that to be practical especially in modern day NFL where you have lineman running 4.5s. More runs is going to lead to more contact. Hell, he was supposed to slide post concussion this season and the competitor in him wouldn't allow it.

 

No, the concept is different when you're actually in "running mode", you can brace for contact better as opposed to throwing the ball off balance and not seeing the hit coming.

It's a fairly simple point he's trying to make and he's right, you're just being obtuse.

 

Na. He just said "steve young was a caculated runner who would test you and wait for you to turn your back to him
Steve young would abort the play, drop and run up the gut of the defense slide and set the ball down untouched"

This means he's running for yards. That's a terrible idea for Tua. Young was a 4.55 40 guy too. Not really comparable.

 

Tua had many plays this year where he tried to make a throw with nothing but daylight ahead of him. Once he's taught to take what the defense is giving him and pickup that 7-10 yard run a couple of times a game, it will make defenses think twice.

This is specifically what he's working on with his trainer this off-season and you don't need 4.5 speed to do it.

 

As I mentioned in the post that you ignored in your agenda driven drivel. Tua was supposed to slide post concussion and he didn't. If you want Tua to run more, it will inevitably end in additional contact. There's no scenario where he avoids contact every time. Not realistic.

This was him after the Steelers game:
"I wasn't trying to be Superman or super hero. I was just looking at the situation ... I can see the first down. To me they were close calls, 'OK maybe if I do just put my shoulder down hopefully I can get forward progress with this.' "

 

I think you're expecting a lot from a guy who scored relatively low on the Wunderlic.

 

And DJ's point was, when you're a runner, the contact is different, there's less hesitation and you are able to brace for contact more as opposed to being chased, with your eyes downfield and trying to throw a pass.

 

He was a runner in that Steelers game, he was coming off a concussion too, and he still barreled into someone instead of sliding down for the 1st. There's always going to be situations like that when someone is running for yards.