Tua is not the Problem

Kind of long but some interesting stuff

 

You should know better then to say Tua has Marino like quickness and seeing the field.

 

Not a JJ practitioner. But as someone who has taken Stage Combat (a theatre course), I can absolutely assure that there are correct ways to fall to reduce or even eliminate the risk of injury.

 

I read an article that measured release time using frame by frame analysis of videos. They computed Tua's release as faster than Marino's. IMO, Marino is the GOAT but it is not blasphemy to compare other QBs to him.

 

Those comparisons are BS. QBs dont have the same release time on all their throws. You can take a slow release example from Marino where he wasnt really trying to get it out quickly and compare it to a quick release example from Tua where he is trying to throw as quickly as possible and then claim Tua has a faster release.

They did a similar comparison between rodgers and marino and claimed rodgers was faster which is also BS.

When Marino wanted to get the ball out quickly there was nobody faster. It was faster than the blink of an eye, even cameramen had trouble picking it up.

Marino bar none had the quickest release in history.

 

Yet another debate that can never really be settled.

Whether it is faster or not is the point. The point is whether Tua's release is Marino-like. IMO, it is. So is Rodgers' release, and Mahomes' release.

 

I would imagine falling properly is practiced in almost every martial art, not just jiu jitsu. And even beyond martial arts - skiing, snowboarding, etc.

I was half kidding when I suggested in back in December, but I also wasn't surprised when I found out he was really doing it. I think it could help with the concussions a lot! I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually makes it's way into most NFL teams regular training regiments as concussions continue to be a major concern.

 

when tuas wants his is just as fast if not faster.

 

I take it you never actually watched Marino play live. I've never seen a quicker release in my life. When he wanted to get it out fast if you blinked you would miss it, and even if you didnt blink you would have a hard time seeing it.

 

The thing for me about Marino’s release is that he’d do it from a ‘non-throwing’ stance - bouncing in the picket with his feet pointed the wrong way, ball down near his hip, head and shoulders misaligned. Then in a fraction of a second he was into his throwing stance and the ball was coming out. Other QBs compared to Marino can get the ball out as quickly, but they have to be in a ready to throw stance.

 

They actually measure average release time (frame by frame), so what the stats say is probably correct: Tua's is very fast, in the range of Marino. However, there's no question that Marino's release "looks" much faster, and I think that's due to two things: 1) Marino doesn't move his body much while throwing (this makes it "look" faster) while Tua moves his whole body to throw, and 2) Marino's ball velocity is probably higher for the same type of throw (no direct comparison, but no question Marino had one of the strongest arms in NFL history).

So I wouldn't doubt the stats themselves, but I don't think "average release time" gives you the full picture. Need to see the velocity on the same type of throw. It's not too difficult to have a fast release time if you don't throw with high velocity.

 

Comparing this

to this

As Cbrad says Marino tends to move much less, much more pure arm movement as opposed to putting his body into the throw. Also Tua is almost always holding the ball in bith hands in front of his chest where Marino is often holding the ball in one hand near his hip. This gives the impression that Marino was further away from being ready to throw than he really was.

 

Tua's feet quickness is the other thing comparable to Marino. He gets his throwing stance ridiculously quickly. Marino had all that and prototypical size and arm strength.

 

Yeah. That —-t is too deep for me.

 

lol, I grew up with #13

You are right about Marino, but Tua is right there, it’s been proven I can show you a clip as well if you wish but it’s so fast you might miss it

 

His teammates said they could hear the ball spinning as the ball went past them.

 

People trying to compare Tua to Marino is crazy.

 

Get out of here with that exaggeration of what’s going on

We’re arguing one trait that’s it..

 

He's the next Dan Marino for some.

 

Trolling I see

Don’t be troll man.. it’s our team here, stop arguing against, You watched Tua shred last year how are you not happy?

I get the injury concern but that’s out of our hands it’s common sense to run it back with him

 

They're running out of content.

 

He is not trolling. You actually are. Is it trolling to not agree with you? Does one have to agree with every single move the team makes? Does he have to insanely believe that Tua has traits that are as good or better than Marino’s to be a true fan in your mind? Totally lame.

 

Everybody knows Tua isn't even close to the quarterback Marino was. A comparison on their release times, one single trait, leads to ultimate troll StaleTacos saying people here think Tua is the next or better than Marino.

That's trolling and a half.

Everytime someone brings up a stat comparing Tua to somebody, whether it Marino or Allen or whoever, the response is ALWAYS "OMG YOU WOULD TAKE TUA OVER THIS GUY".

 

It's always funny when folks compare a player or his traits to a GOAT, and not really bad QBs.

Tua has a quick release, it's just like Marino!

Tua is small, he's just like Drew Brees!

Tua started career off slow, he's Peyton Manning!

 

"Tua and Marino had very similar release times."

"OMG YOU WOULD TAKE TUA OVER MARINO?!?!"

"Tua had a better 3rd down and redzone passer rating than Allen in 2022."

"OMG YOU WOULDN'T TRADE TUA FOR ALLEN?!?!!"

 

stating that people are saying that we are comparing Tua to Dan in literal terms is a freakin troll job and show the inability to grasp context and lacks self awareness.

same thing applies to you for supporting the nonsense.

 

get outta here with this nonsense..

 

Uhh. No it really isn’t.
Whatever, dude. You are really losing your —-t.

 

obvioulsy I'm not and I'm not gonna stand around and let you all just create negative innaccurate statements about the discussion..

so yeah call me loco, I don't care.

now if you wanna have a real discussion about the qb then lets do it without the stupid unessesary comments

 

Well.... that's because of the posters who claim it is impossible for Tua to be successful because:

a. He doesn't have a strong enough arm
b. He is too short
c. Didn't light it up starting in year 1

Let's play the reverse game. Justin Herbert will never win anything because he has similar physical traits to Ryan Leaf. Cool?

 

There's quite a few other things to add to that list. Anyway, when you sum them all up, they are reasons he won't have longevity or be elite in the league. He can still be good, especially with the weapons he has.

 

Change "he won't" to "he may not"....

It is clear that the more elite traits a QB has, the better chance for success. The thing that many won't acknowledge is that much of what drives the QB debate is preferences for which trait to value. Herbert has a better arm, is bigger, and is more mobile. Tua is a faster decision maker, has a faster release, is more accurate, and throws with more anticipation. The doubters say it is "because he has to". I say it is "because he can".

Would I prefer a QB with all the traits? Sure. But, I will always take the better passer than the better runner. Lamar Jackson? No thanks. Tua all day.

 

No. He won't.

 

LOL. I'm sure you said that he would never put up decent numbers before last season too......

StaleTacos in 10 years: "he WON'T have a 14th season!!!!"

 

Just SSS noise that is going to crush some people emotionally next season. All the bad is still there.

 

I guess now we wait and see.

 

….like calling good posters trolls? Those kind of stupid, unnecessary comments?

 

Well you’ve left yourself no room to be wrong. I hope you’re not rooting for Tua to fail because that’s the only way you’ll be “right”.

 

Being "wrong" or "right" on an internet forum seems to be more important to you than me.