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Why can’t we sign Jackson?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Mar 29, 2023.

  1. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    He'll give all the credit to his stud receivers. Tua can win Super Bowl MVP and the haters will never give him the credit.
     
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  2. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    If Tua does that. Absolutely!!

    If you truly believe Tua will do that, then the Dolphins should extend him now while his value is lower, right?
     
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  3. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    That's the rub right? If he balls out you pay him more and it had huge cap implications. If you pay him and he gets hurt then it was a mistake. Welcome to the life of a GM.
     
  4. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    No
    Not in Miami’s current fiscal situation concerning the salary cap. The Dolphins are currently only $50,000 under the salary cap
     
  5. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    They could make that work, and assuming they can make that work, would you do it?
     
  6. Springveldt

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    No, the team is built for a 2 year window with Tua on his rookie deal. You can do the extension next offseason though since his cap hit jumps up to $23M, so he gets his extension while not really affecting his salary cap number for the season.
     
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  7. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    He isn't going to get this

     
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  8. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Burrow and Herbert both have their teams looking at extensions this season. There's good reasons for this from a cap perspective. This article lays a lot of it out:

    https://theathletic.com/4170236/2023/02/09/justin-herbert-chargers-contract-prediction/
     
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  9. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Guy needs an agent badly.
     
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  10. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Not sure how smart Grier and McDaniels really are if theyre willing to tie their careers to Tua. If we dont make the playoffs this upcoming season, he is immediately in the hot seat to get fired.

    McDaniels wasnt even in Ross’s top 5 choices, and hired him basically because hes multi racial while facing a lawsuit against Flores.
     
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  11. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Lucky for McDaniel there were absolutely no black coaches they could hire leaving Miami with him and only him.
     
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  12. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    There have been a lot of dumb posts here recently, but this might take the cake for the dumbest.
     
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  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Coaches say that **** all the time. You believed Gase, right?
     
  14. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    He should.
     
  15. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    It fiscally isn’t a sound decision. It’s a simple matter of balancing the books, it has nothing to do with the team’s faith in you.

    The Dolphins exercised Christian Wilkins 5th year option for the 2022 season instead of extending his contract, potentially adding a much greater burden on the team’s salary cap. As a result of that savings, Miami had the ability to make the play on Hill. Now Wilkins is getting his extension.

    Barring anything catastrophic, you’ll see Tua get a contract extension next year, and it’ll be a contract that won’t be a ludicrous idiotic contract that’ll cause the team to have to trade and cut players to get under the cap.

    You can restructure only so many contracts before some players are going to say no.
     
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  16. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Because Jackson has no ability to run an offense that requires passing.
     
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  17. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Maybe because the team had the 5th year option available?:confused2:
     
  18. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    And that's exactly why you don't extend a 3rd year player on a 5 year contract, or make any ridiculous contract. It sets a precedent and everyone says, "I deserve more than that!" when it's their turn to get paid.
     
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  19. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    These two seasons in years 4 and 5 would get Tua run out of town:

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    and you want the guy that produced them? WTF for?
     
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  20. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Working on????? Deals aren't done. Doesn't that mean they don't believe in them? Use the same criteria.
     
  21. cbrad

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    Two other things to mention regarding Jackson:

    1. He missed the last 4 games of the 2021 regular season due to injury as well as the last 5 games of the 2022 regular season due to injury. For people claiming Tua isn't reliable enough, what about Jackson in recent years??

    2. His playoff performance is consistently abysmal:

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  22. Pauly

    Pauly Season Ticket Holder

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    For “can’t” the short answer is salary cap.

    For “won’t” the short answer is that signing him would mean 3 years in a row without a first round pick.

    For “shouldn’t” the short answer is he isn’t a fit for the type of QB that McDaniels wants to run his offense.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There is no reason to sign Jackson

    If Tua get hurt this season and if he’s available again then I’d revisit it but at this point no logical reason
     
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  24. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've seen this argument so many times but if you're a QB with any sort of NFL prospects at the end of your rookie term, it makes no sense not to press free agency to get the highest deal you can.

    It takes two sides to get an extension done. It'll be interesting to see how Burrow, Herbert deals work out and how quickly they're extended within the context of when their actual contract is up.
     
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  25. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Lamar horribly misread his situation and he really needs to hire a proper agent to work this stuff out for him.

    He is a QB that fits a specific system and that isn't Mike McDaniel's system. And before I hear it, No I don't think we should dismiss Mike.
     
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  26. Ducken

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    Please try to explain how you connected those dots. And please include examples showing Ross has good judgment and great football IQ. And please explain how this organization has hired the most minority front office on down to water boy then any other NFL organization but yet McDaniel (no s) is the teams token.
     
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  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Yes and no. Jackson isn’t a BAD pocket quarterback. He can make some pretty good throws.

    The problem with Jackson is he either gets happy feet or is too confident in his running abilities and will take off running rather than working the pocket and letting routes develop.

    Myself personally, I think Jackson is way overrated.
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I disagree here DK, I think his skillset players have been above average since he got there..

    He’s got some accuracy issues but can make throws and runs at critical times to win games

    But it doesn’t matter he’s the enemy so lol..

    This thread is pointless at this point, we have 0 interest
     
  29. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    It makes sense if you are a player like Tua who has multiple career ending type injuries on your body and have two years to go before FA. You would want to lock up as much future money as possible. I just don't think the Dolphins are interested in a long term deal for that reason.

    As Tyreek just said:
     
  30. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There's an element of that, for sure. Yet, Burrow and Herbert have yet to agree to a long-term extension either, and Tua's camp has nothing to really lose by playing out the rest of his contract as it stands.

    What career-ending injury besides his hip injury has Tua suffered from, anyway?
     
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  31. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    Concussions. I don't think he'll be allowed many more. He had 1 in college, and 2-3 this season in a short period of time.
     
  32. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I don't think he is consistently accurate enough or reads the field well enough to be a consistent QB from the pocket.
     
  33. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I think some of the advanced stats paints a picture of Jackson.

    Near the top in time in the pocket (4th at 2.6 sec)
    Middle in pressure % (13th)
    Low to mid in on target % (19th)
    Low to mid in bad throw % (10th worst)
    Decent intended air yards per target (9th)
    Not great completion % over expected (-2.4%)
    Near the bottom in Aggressiveness %
    Middle in Air Yards to the Sticks

    Seems to me like he has a decent amount of time, is not overly pressured, doesn't throw past the sticks, doesn't throw into tight windows, and is not terribly accurate. In short, he is completing passes at a lower rate under his conditions than an average QB would.
     
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  34. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh, okay. Not sure I'd count those considering he's been cleared and not deemed more concussion-prone than anybody else.
     
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  35. Puka-head

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    Tua has not suffered a career ending injury ever. He is still playing. Still under contract. Still getting paid to pay professional football.
    No more likely to sustain future injury, or less likely for that matter than anyone else on the field at anytime.
     
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  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let’s not let the same dudes try and turn this into the Tua bashing thread

    Thread title has been debunked, come up with some new material or get this **** outta here
     
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  37. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    First they will sign Brady because Tua sucks and they don't want him
    Then its they won't pick up his option because Tua sucks and they don't want him
    Now its they aren't extending him because Tua sucks and they don't want him

    All from the same poster in a 2 month period
     
  38. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Want to bet he doesnt start 11 games next season?
     
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  39. cbrad

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    Moving goalposts has been the hallmark of the anti-Tua crowd. Even then, Tua keeps scoring goals. The only two credible ones left are availability and playoff performance. But this stuff about not extending him while having 2 years left on a rookie contract being some kind of indication the Dolphins don't want Tua is just ridiculous.
     
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  40. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    No. For one thing I don’t gamble. And if I did that would be a sucker’s bet. Only 8 maybe 10 QBs started / played in all 17 games last yr. 75% of starters missed time last season so bad odds.
    But Tua is no more or less likely to be injured than anyone else who straps on a helmet and lines up.
     
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