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Tua is not the Problem

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Nov 6, 2021.

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  1. hitman8

    hitman8 Well-Known Member

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    Is that why he threw many times into double, triple, and quadruple coverage?
     
  2. KeyFin

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    Yup, and those were some of the best TD's of the season. I can think of two to Waddle with four defenders around him where the placement was perfect and the defense got absolutely smoked after the catch.

    By the way, if a receiver is not wide open, that's the receiver's fault...not the quarterback's. Please stop looking for reasons to invent why Tua isn't an elite QB. There are some legit reasons to pick from.
     
  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I mean, generally you don't want your QB throwing into triple coverage or worse. That should mean that there are open receivers elsewhere.
     
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  4. hitman8

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    If the reciever is not open and tripe covered QB shouldnt be throwing it there. Tua made numerous bad throws into coverage throughout the season and got away with several that should have been intercepted.

    He is not doing much reading either pre snap or post snap, he is regularly throwing to a spot.

    I have to hand it to Mcdaniel as he designed a great timing based offense specifically focused on Tua's strength of throwing with accuracy and anticipation at medium ranges, and gave him two of the best seperation and yac recievers in the game to throw to, but Tua is still a limited QB.
     
  5. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    I meant getting injured on that type of play was atypical. So, I agree with you, except for the Cincy hit. That one he should have avoided.
     
  6. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Just like every QB that has ever played.

    Agree to disagree. None of his throws are predetermined. He is reading pre-snap on every play. That is the purpose of all the pre-snap motion, to read the defense. Secondly, he is regularly going through multiple post snap reads including the use of choice or option routes. He also runs RPOs. That requires a read on every RPO play.

    Two errors in your statement. (1) Tua's average depth of target was near the top of the league. That would mean he is throwing longer range passes that most other QBs, on average. (2) The Dolphins were well below average in YAC.

    Also, all QBs are limited. There never has been an unlimited QB, ever.
     
  7. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Are all QBs that sometimes throw into coverage failing to read a defense? (hint, that is ALL QBs, ever).
     
  8. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes you just have to trust your arm talent. If he sees the coverage and can beat it? Go for it. Josh Allen, Mahomes, etc, have people slobbering all over them because of their "gunslinger mentality". I'll take a risk taker that is successful over a check down champion any day. Often those open receivers are on check downs.
     
  9. cbrad

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    Late to the conversation but in McDaniel's case he's not just hyping things up. He IS hyped up. Watch this interview. It's a great interview of how our coach thinks and why we invested in Hill and skill positions instead of OL:



     
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  10. TheHighExhaulted

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    Are we back to "should have interceptions"?
     
  11. StaleTacos

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    That Steelers game comes to mind. So lucky he didn't have 3+ interceptions.
     
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  12. Sceeto

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    It happened in just about every game he has played. Some more than others .
     
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  13. resnor

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    He's not got the arm to be a gunslinger though.

    I was never a fan of Favre throwing into coverage, or other QBs.

    I'll never defend throwing into triple or more coverage.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    Can we move in to another topic on Tua
    do you have the capacity to move on to the next stage of evolution of our Qb.

    You’re post’s at this point are boring as ****
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You don’t have to have a big arm to be a gunslinger it’s a mentality..

    Not being scared and trusting your arms accuracy and big balls is gunslinger mentality
     
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  16. StaleTacos

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    Just put me on ignore. It'll be easier for you.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I mean, sure. But if you haven't got the arm, that mentality can easily get you into trouble.

    I'd just rather not see him throwing into triple or quadruple coverage. Didn't think that would be too controversial a stance. Lol
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How bout you coming up with some new material.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    You recall him doing that more than other qb’s

    Imo that’s what could potentially make him elite is throwing into tight windows by trusting the innate accuracy
     
  20. FinFaninBuffalo

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    He makes up for the lack of arm strength with accuracy, release speed, and anticipation. How else can you explain his league leading completed air yards per completion?

    Try to grasp the significance of the list below. Tua's gap over Allen is 1.3 yards. There is not another gap between players larger than 0.5 yards. The gap between Tua and Allen is nearly 3 times larger than the gap between any other two players. It is 13x larger than the most common gap (0.1 yards). This is what is known as lapping the field. And, he did this while being the most efficient QB in the league.

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  21. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Only if you aren't throwing on time.

    It is not. The implication that Tua does it more than other QBs is the issue that have never once been supported by evidence.
     
  22. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Evidence? Any at all?
     
  23. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    with no evidence whatsoever. Zip. Zilch. Nada. None.
     
  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I'm not saying he does it more or less. I'm saying he did it more than I like to see, and that's regardless of the arm strength of the QB.
     
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  25. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Who said he did it more than anyone else? I haven't said such things. I said it didn't like it, and now you guys seen to be trying to rationalize it as ok.

    I don't think it's ever appropriate for a QB to throw into quadruple coverage.
     
  26. TheHighExhaulted

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    And the word pretzeling continues.
     
  27. Sceeto

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    Go watch the games again. Not just making s--t up. It's clear. It happens a lot.
     
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  28. FinFaninBuffalo

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    But if he doesn't do it more than anyone else, what is the issue? Shouldn't you accept the fact that all QBs make mistakes? It's like pointing out that Tua puts his pants on one leg at a time.... and?????
     
  29. FinFaninBuffalo

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    So, no then..... Okay. Should be clear to everyone now. And as I promised, let's agree to disagree.
     
  30. resnor

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    I am not commenting on other QBs because I don't watch every game of every other QB.

    So because every QB throws pick 6s, I shouldn't be upset when Tua does?

    I don't want a QB throwing into quadruple coverage.
     
  31. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    You shouldn't be upset with anything that any QB does that is normal. Pick 6s are not normal, they're rare so any occurrence is an issue. What about incomplete passes?

    Should I complain about incomplete passes? I don't like them. I prefer completed passes. If Tua goes 35 of 40 in a game, how would it look if I complained about the 5 incomplete passes and ignored the 35 completed passes. I am purposely exaggerating but this is the impression (to a degree) I get from some of your posts.
     
  32. Sceeto

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    Ok. One day, I'll go through some games and point out the exact times it happened, ok? That's an easy one.
     
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  33. resnor

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    Also, this is a classic example of what my problem with some on your side of the argument. It is inexcusable to throw into quadruple coverage. There is zero need to minimize it.
     
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  34. resnor

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    You're minimizing terrible decisions simply because you think it makes your stance weak. It doesn't.

    Yes every QB makes mistakes. Throwing into quadruple coverage multiple times in a season is a problem.
     
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  35. The_Dark_Knight

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    And THREADED the needle. Keep this in mind, Tua only had 5 interceptions all year long…prior to the 3 he threw in the 2nd half against Green Bay playing with a concussion. Thats 25 touchdowns to 5 interceptions…a 5-1 ratio.

    Show me another quarterback who throws only 1 interception for every 5 touchdowns.

    So Tua throwing into double or triple coverage is no big deal to me. The kid is balls on dead accurate.
     
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  36. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Be sure to show he does it more than other QBs….
     
  37. FinFaninBuffalo

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    Inexcusable? Okay… LOL
     
  38. FinFaninBuffalo

    FinFaninBuffalo Well-Known Member

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    Prove that Tua does it more than other QBs or move on….
     
  39. StaleTacos

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    Or you be an adult and grow thicker skin.
     
  40. resnor

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    I don't need to. I'm not comparing him to any QB.

    I don't want a QB on my team who throws into quadruple coverage.

    Why can't you just admit that it's a bad thing to do, and just move on?

    You told me it wasn't controversial, but now you want to convince us all that it's ok because other QBs do it. Seems to indicate that my stance that I don't want a QB throwing into quadruple coverage is controversial, at least to you.

    You haven't shown that Tua does it no more than other QBs. You have made a positive claim, but gave no proof, unless I've missed it. We aren't claiming he does it more or less. We are simply stating a fact: Tua does it.
     
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