Tua is not the Problem

Top Right Tua:

 

I know, right? The tweet wasn't inaccurate, but it explained why literally nobody should play football while it was disguised as concern for Tua specifically.

 

You mean a slew of doctors and specialists? Are they lying to him when they say he doesn't have to worry about CTE like a high volume impact player? Even fake Dr. Nowinski agrees with that one.

Do you think every one of these doctors and specialists told him he has zero risk of CTE or a far lesser risk than every other position?

I highly doubt everyone of them told him zero risk.

 

This is what I have been saying from day 1. Players know this, they don't care. This is what they have trained for their whole life. This is how they make a lucrative living.

But according to Stale, I should care about Tua's health more than Tua does.

 

Dude that is exactly what you said. Own up to it. You ran with a quote from Sherfield for dozens of posts. Later admitted that you misquoted him. When presented with a video that directly contradicted your views, you simply claimed that you weren’t qualified to evaluate the video and instead stuck with your opinion based on a misquote.

you have no right to call anyone a troll

 

BS. This is another of your tactics. Someone posts that Tua is too small to play in the league. I post the height and weight of a bunch of current NFL QBs that are similar to Tua. You respond with a nonsensical claim that I am trying convince you that Tua has no limitations….. by listing actual heights and weights…..

you have lost all credibility and objectivity on this topic. You need to move along.

 

Here is an example of what several of us are talking about resnor. This is YOUR POST:



For complete context, a side discussion between a few posters started after Montana and Steve Young were mentioned. dj commented that he'd like to see Tua use his legs like Steve Young did. That led to a few more posts on the topic, including the quote from dj above. Your first comment on a new side discussion about Tua was to bash him.

You completely **** on a post about Tua (and have done that many, many times) then try to claim you're not anti-Tua? There was no reason for that response, none, unless you are anti-Tua and simply cannot let positive comments about him pass. Don't try to pretend it wasn't a knock on Tua. Don't make excuses. Own it.

Can you just stop the charade? Nobody is buying it.

 

Let's be honest. The only thing you care about is winning a debate. He's a grown man. If he wants to play and risk more concussions that's his choice to make. So stop pretending to care. You're not fooling anyone.

 

It is his decision, but if you had a heart you'd feel bad that he's being misled into a potentially life altering medical condition.

 

People put aside their own well-being for money, their children, and their family name.

 

Well I guess Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins, and countless other players with prior concussions are getting the same misleading advice to keep playing.

 

It's definitely concerning. However, not all concussions are created equal. Joe Burrow didn't need to get carried out on a stretcher.

 

I did not ever say that I "misquoted" him. I thanked another poster who gave an alternate interpretation of the quote, that made sense.

I didn't say he was definitely right, just that his interpretation was the first one given that made sense.

Now you've moved to straight up lying about me.

Worst poster on the site.

 

How to say you don't understand what I was saying, without saying that.

The Wunderlic, while not useful as an IQ test, is designed, as I understand it, to test ability to process/perform under pressure. So expecting a guy to do all those things might not be a good idea if he struggled with the Wonderlic.

It's nothing insidious. There is no ulterior motive. It's just a comment on your comment. I know I know, in your world I'm the biggest troll worst poster, so everything I say has an ulterior motive to prove that Tua is **** and is the worst QB to ever play.

I honestly don't know why I bother to respond, you'll just twist some phrase or pull a post out of context to make another argument with me.

 

Could be potentially mislead. We don't know for sure he's been told those things, correct?

 

Let me out it as simply as I can: I HATE the argument about Tua 1000% more than I dislike Tua.

 

Uh no...You just want to be rid of Tua in any way possible and the bleeding heart angle you're trying to play is only an attempt at winning the debate for you. For someone that trashes Tua as much as you do, it's genuinely hard for me to believe that you suddenly care about his health. "See guys, it's better that he retires....Damn...Oh well, I knew he wouldn't make it" Nah bro...Not buying that one.

 

For me, if Tua has been given the correct information, and chooses to play, given the risk, then that's fine with me. He's an adult, he can choose what he wants. People are also free to criticize his decision.

I hope and pray our oline is better next season. Been the one consistent complaint with the Dolphins for the past seems like 20 seasons

 

Because I don't like him as a player, doesn't mean I don't like him as a person. As a person, he seems like a genuinely good guy.

 

After the NFLPA accepted the CTE settlement, all players have to sign an acknowledgment of risk waiver absolving the league of responsibility. All NFL players (and probably most college athletes) are aware of the risk. The league is probably holding its breath looking forward to the day when CTE can be diagnosed in a living subject because a huge percentage of parents are going to pull their kids out of organized football. With that being said, there will be no lack of talent thanks to folks who think their kid is the one who can beat the odds, especially with less competition at the top level.

 

Right, it's all love when you refer to him as the "lil guy" and "lil Tua". Not mocking him whatsoever. You're such a phony lol nobody is buying it.

 

“In his piece posted on Friday, Habib mentioned how former Dolphins quarterback Earl Morrall was diagnosed with CTE following his death in 2014. Retired signal-caller Jay Cutler has said he believes he suffered "double-digit" concussions during his career and is already dealing with setbacks related to those head injuries.

"Quarterbacks also get CTE," Habib warned Tagovailoa.

Alabama Crimson Tide head coach Nick Saban once had Tagovailoa as his quarterback and admitted last month he had concerns about the 25-year-old and didn't want to see him "put himself at risk."

 

His height relates to his play. Tua isn't a little person. 6 feet is above average in the general population. However, at QB in the NFL, he's very little. Only two QBs are smaller. He himself has said he has trouble seeing over the line.

You can keep up the personal attacks though. It's all you got.

 

You mocked him and tried to belittle him by constantly referring to him as "lil" when he got injured this season. It's not because he's a smaller quarterback height wise and it's not a term of endearment off the field because you think he's a good guy.

Do you call Hill or Waddle, "lil Hill" or "lil Waddle"?

 

lol. don't act like you're above the fray. I've seen you involved in precisely these kinds of back-and-forths before. Besides, ending your post with "and the comedy will rein-cue in 3,2,1" is attempting to elicit the very type of response you say you don't like.

Anyway, it's just a message board. This is what humans are like. Only message boards that are heavily moderated don't look like this. And personally I think the reason so many message boards have less traffic nowadays is because people have so many other ways of communicating with others, like social media etc. This place was HEAVILY trafficked for years during a much more intense period of back-and-forth insults during the Tannehill era. Nothing you see right now compares to that (the worst insults right now are tame in comparison).

 

I never said I used Tua's height as a term of endearment. His height has nothing to do with whether he is a good person off the field. His height is being brought up as a negative because he has difficulties staying healthy because his frame is small. Normal everyday hits seem to destroy him. He has difficulties seeing the field because he is so small. Being small is a DISADVANTAGE in the NFL especially at QB.

Hill and Waddle don't need to see above the line. Hill is a generational WR and doesn't get injured. Waddle is top WR in the game and hasn't missed a game. If they show they can't stay healthy in the NFL. I'll start calling them little too if it makes you feel better. I mean, they are little, and their littleness results in poor blocking. So is Berrios. Blocking going to be a problem unless they start adding in some big TEs.

 

Tua didn’t need CPR like Damar Hamlin who actually DIED on the field and yet there is ZERO chatter about how foolish it is for him to make a come back. In fact, it’s being celebrated as a testament to courage.

Your stance on Tua always has been and always shall be one of partisan criticism and negativity. Your negativity has shifted all over the board to the realm of ridiculousness. I’m awaiting your next stance being Tua’s Hawaiian and ate too much Spam growing up.

If your critiques were an objective evaluation, both good and bad, your opinion might carry weight. Not once have you ever offered any opinion on what Tua does well…never once. So your “concern” about his “health” while omitting the obvious severe injuries other players have sustained, like Burrow, like Higgins, like Hamlin is yet another peg you’re playing on a game of Battleship. Hoping to score a “hit” yet only getting a “miss”

 

Sorry, but this is a really dumb post. I don't talk about Hamlin, Burrow, or Higgins because they aren't Dolphins. I'm a Dolphins fan. This is a Dolphins message board. Furthermore, this is a Dolphins subforum! We discuss Dolphins players here.

I'm certainly concerned about all those players health. However, as I've already said, Burrow didn't need to get carried out on a stretcher. Not all concussions are created equal. So my concern for each player is also not equal.

The larger problem is really a lot of you guys have such a strong emotional attachment to a person that doesn't know you live.

 

You don’t talk about any players who aren’t Dolphins?

I didn’t realize Justin Herbert was a Miami Dolphin.

 

You kept insisting that he said "regardless of where the receiver is". That is SIMPLY FALSE. I guess I gave you too much credit. Now you are intentionally lying.

 

LOL..... you are just unbelievable. As others have noted, you are the most passive aggressive poster on the site. All kinds of BS negative posts followed by "Who ME???? I'm just so misunderstood!!!"

I used to think you were trolling. Now you’ve convinced me of an alternate explanation, so thanks for that clarification.

 

Of course that begs the question, why do you dislike Tua at all? (now is the part where you claim I am misunderstanding you or misinterpreting you or putting words in your mouth or some nonsense about "zero sum arguments".

 

I certainly don't bring him up. It's folks that like to compare Herbert to Tua.

Do you want to compare Burrow's injuries to Tua's?

 

Excellent point about Damar Hamlin. The same people in the media who tried to shame Tua into retirement for health concerns will most certainly cheer on Hamlin's bravery for coming back. It actually makes me sick.

 

It was an anti-Tua post injected into a discussion that others were having. That is why you are considered anti-Tua.

Nobody mentioned ulterior motives. Your motive was quite clear. You don't think Tua has the ability to do what was discussed and you think the Wonderlic is evidence of that. It also wasn't insidious. There was nothing subtle or stealthy about it. You straight up questioned his mental ability to do it make the decision to scramble under pressure.

There was no twisting of phrases and complete context was provided.