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Draft thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fishhead, Apr 25, 2024.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Gives me warm, fuzzy feelings all over.
     
  2. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Paul started every game at LT the last three seasons and was a team captain. You have to like that along with his freakish measurables. Time for Butch Barry to get to work.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You read what I wrote, correct? I said measurables without stats to back them up, are basically worthless. I don't believe that anything is the only measuring stick when evaluating players.

    Again, I personally don't think "he's got great measurables" is a valid argument for a guy in the first or second round. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he's bad, a bust, whatever. I was simply commenting about measurables and offered Jordan as an example.
     
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  4. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Feels like this draft is about $$. They took two players with huge upside at premium positions. They may not play big snap counts this year, but they are slated to replace Armstead and probably Chubb. Look at the roster. Are we going to keep Tyreek past 24'? Then shedding a big contract is a requirement because Waddle is getting 30ish million. Want to keep Phillips? Then you have to get rid of Chubb, it's non-negotiable. We already axed X, we let Wilkins and Hunt go (non premium positions).

    We are clearly resetting the roster money while still keeping a team that can compete. Let's be real, this shouldn't be a .500 or below team, their is still plenty of talent. This is the year McDaniel needs to make some hay though and show us that he's elite if he is.

    These picks tell me he and Grier have safety assurances though, so they are going to balance now and later.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see us either pick up a 4 or trade up though, in order to either snag a ready play guard (there are still some) or to get a McDaniel toy (a TE maybe? Troy Franklin?).

    It may not be what we want to maximize now, but if they make the right moves, it can work and keep us good this year and beyond.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Folks can hate the picks all they want and jump on their lil box to tell the world however, they should know their lessons by now in this draft game its absolutely not an exact science, and even the best are shooting at a 50/50 clip, sure evaluating is an art form imo and there are some better than others but I’ll say this

    When the prospect have these qualities the percentage goes up on whether they will be become successful players

    1) elite athletic profiles
    2) Great character and worth ethic habits
    3) competitive nature

    Seems like our first two picks have all three.

    So folks supporting people who are harshly criticizing is not a wise choice imo

    Leave yourself some wiggle room that they have a decent chance at being wrong and not really taking into account those three traits.

    Personally like I’ve said I have my concerns with Paul but there are some things im seeing as we take the deep dive that give me hope.
     
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  6. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Well, I really like that Paul trains in mixed martial arts/ultimate fighting.
     
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  7. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder who you’re talking about. I see some people being underwhelmed by our first 2 picks, but I don’t see people trashing the picks in a bad manner. I‘m not excited by our 2 picks or how Grier played the draft so far but I‘m not saying it’s total trash either, a normal Grier draft so far imo.
     
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  8. Fishhead

    Fishhead Well-Known Member

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    Paul definitely sounds like a project, especially when it comes to run blocking.
    On the plus side, Paul was a first team All Big 12 last year and the only OL with a 90.0+ grade from PFF in each of the past two seasons.

    Hopefully, there will still be some guard prospects available in the fifth round.
     
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  9. Sceeto

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  10. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    This is something I wish everyone would realize, step back and take a breath on. The draft is a 100% craps shoot! In some cases, the odds are in your favor…other times they’re not but the key word here is “odds”.

    It’s no guarantee the first round player you draft is going to be a superstar and it’s no guarantee he’s going to be a bust either. So many variables to take into consideration.

    Did TDK get who he wanted? Nope but then again, there’s no guarantee JPJ is going to be that stud center I anticipate him being.

    Did TDK want the Dolphins to draft Tua Tagovailoa? Nope! Our team was such a dumpster fire with soooo many needs that drafting a quarterback in that situation was a Greek tragedy waiting to happen. Well it seems I was wrong about Tua. We’re back on the road to success after adding needed pieces.

    You never can tell with 22 year old kids.
     
  11. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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  12. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Huh... So, since we weren't picking until the fifth round, I stopped paying attention and just found out (as it happened) that we traded a 2025 third rounder for the Iggles fourth round pick and took

    A RUNNING BACK?!!

    Do we need running backs? I'm not mad, just wondering why we traded a pick for a position that is already a position of strength. I haven't criticized our drafting since we reached for Noah and blew the genius trade that brought him to us. But I have to question why this was a good move.
     
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  13. tirty8

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    Here is the thing, I do think that Chop is gonna be our week 1 starter. In a weird sorta way, I do think that edge was an area of need because of injuries. Realistically, I would even tell you that an unpolished athletic guy like Chop is a considerable upgrade over almost any other option. I also think that this will help avoid the temptation of putting Phillips out there before he is ready. These are good things.

    The problem is that as the season goes on, and we get healthier, Chop is gonna be less and less of a factor.
     
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  14. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    How many backups are we gonna draft. SMH
     
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  15. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    McDaniel waited until Grier went to the restroom and took over
     
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  16. OwesOwn614

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    From cbssports.com:
    Jaylen Wright RB, TENN
    Height: 5-11, Weight: 210

    More speed to Miami's offense. Wright ran through some gaping holes at Tennessee but has high-end acceleration once he's in the open field. Elusiveness is good, not amazing. Slashing style as opposed to jump-cut back. Would've liked to see another position addressed here, but Mike McDaniel will be happy. (Chris Trapasso)

    B-

    Rating:
    80.97 (Starter)
    Pro Comparison: Rachaad White
    Summary
    Jaylen Wright is a running back with great top-end speed and athleticism to jump out of the gym. Although he had limited production as a pass-catcher until 2023, Wright made obvious strides in his final season. He has great lateral agility to find the edge but struggles to work inside zone concepts. Wright has active eyes in pass protection but lacks the mass to hold up consistently. Short-yardage situations are not going to be a strength, either.

    About

    • 2023: Second-team All-SEC (AP)
    • 2023: 7.4 rush yards per carry (led all FBS RBs with min. 120 attempts)
    Strengths
    • Can plant and cut back with ease, good lateral agility
    • Great top-end speed
    • Good route runner, doesn't tip his breaks
    • Builds speed quickly
    Weaknesses
    • Lacks lower body mass to drive piles in short-yardage situations
    • Active eyes in pass protection but will not sustain blocks
    • Average eyes working inside zone schemes
    Combine Data
    • 40-yard dash: 4.38 seconds
    • Vertical jump: 38 inches
    • Broad jump: 11 feet, 2 inches
    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/draft-tracker/

    From nfl.com:
    Overview

    Explosive back with good size and breakaway speed. Wright’s running style is more linear than free-flowing, which limits his cut smoothness and elusiveness on the second level. His vision and aggression as an interior runner are just average, but that won’t stop him from putting yards on the stat sheet. He regularly bounced runs wide and beat the pursuit around the corner, so a move to a stretch-based running attack would be a natural fit, allowing his speed to shine. He’s capable of running with power, but he will default into finesse at times. Wright’s big-play potential and talent as a pass catcher should make him a Day 2 target as a future starter.

    Strengths
    • Sprinter’s speed for long touchdown runs once he hits the open field.
    • Posted an explosive run (10-plus yards) on 25.4 percent of his carries in 2023.
    • Sudden jump-cut creates lateral exits away from tacklers.
    • Linear runner but can get to change of direction with timing.
    • Displayed ability to stay up and drag tacklers against Texas A&M.
    • Natural, sticky hands with potential to run more routes than he did in college.
    Weaknesses
    • Fumbled four times on 146 carries in 2022.
    • Doesn’t trust his eyes, creating indecisiveness as an inside runner.
    • Upright running style subjects him to bigger hits.
    • Lacks efficiency of movement when stacking cuts.
    • Will need to play with more awareness when protecting the pocket.
    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jaylen-wright/32005752-4939-8099-f6ee-7772cc125a42
     
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  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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  18. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Wish he would’ve picked someone else :), don’t know anything about the guy but trading up for a RB and giving up a 3rd for a 4th rounder idk.
     
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  19. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Probably the Achane insurance…
     
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  20. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Tunsil stuff? Those picks turned into Waddle and Holland
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Was that where we had like 3 first round picks and three seconds and three thirds?

    I might have the wrong trade. Forgive me. I'm referencing the one that he absolutely bungled
     
  22. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    I thought that was Chris Brooks?
     
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  23. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    One of the 3 first round picks was from Tunsil and that was Noah. Pretty bad but the next year he traded down and back up with Texans pick for Waddle. Used the second rounder from Texans on Holland. Used the extra trade down pick on Tyreek. Excellent work overall.

    Maybe you are thinking of Minkah? He used that on Jackson. Mild bungle at worst.
     
  24. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    I don’t think he bungled any draft really, he’s just middle of the pack imo, doesn’t value actual production enough, goes for those boom or bust type of players and isn’t afraid to gamble on injury. It all comes down to next season to me, no more excuses.

    Edit to Grier: and he tries to outsmart everyone to often one thing he has with McDaniel in common.
     
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  25. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Brooks is a bigger back not a speedster…
     
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  26. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Liked the trade down but didn’t like the trade up in that draft.
     
  27. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Brooks is a bigger dude, Wilson insurance. Wright is Achane/Mostert insurance.

    Salvon should make sure he's not too comfortable.
     
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  28. tirty8

    tirty8 Well-Known Member

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    All of our running backs are variations of the same player.
     
  29. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    In hindsight would have it been better to risk it and potentially have Smith and an extra first rounder? Yeah but at the end of the day it was really great work to get the guy at 5 you were going to take at 3.

    Imagine if the draft plays out different and they end up getting stuck with Toney? If you like someone sometimes you got to go get him.
     
  30. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Why the silly hyperbole, what's the purpose?

    And this draft says nothing if not Grier being secure in the job.
     
  31. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Brooks is a little different but agree with the rest of them although Mostert runs with vengeance but he’s getting up there in age for a RB.
     
  32. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    Sadly I agree with that, but let’s wait and see how the season plays along.
     
  33. JJ_79

    JJ_79 Well-Known Member

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    With not having Tyreek at that time, you‘ve got a point there but I would still rather have Smith plus the 1rd or another player from that draft.
     
  34. Sceeto

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    Wow. We could have gotten a third or fourth back.
     
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  35. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I think he wasted picks, and having two guys out of all those picks is ridiculous. Granted, I don't think Grier can be blamed for Minkah leaving, but that wasn't a hard decision on draft day either. Haha
     
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  36. Fireland

    Fireland Well-Known Member

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    Two guys out of all what picks? Tunsil picks? Tunsil was traded for two first rounders and a second. Are we supposed to be mad they didn't turn those into an entire team?
     
  37. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    What GM doesn't miss?
     
  38. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Unless of course Robinson shines brighter than anyone expected and keeps his starting job.

    You just never know.
     
  39. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    Post #139 in this very thread:

    “Another year, and another complete dud.”

    That’s a statement claiming the player is trash. “Complete dud” means no way they can play.
     

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