Tua...''He's the greatest prospect ever''

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It’s schedule was known, there’s 9 of the on field practices in the off-season…9

    I guess it’s more of a reflection of todays athlete, I just feel like every member of this team, based on the past two years, and harboring some resentment for a franchise not winning Jack **** in 23 years shoukd be doing everything humanly possible to be better
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This was bad advice like I suggested from the beginning and now like I predicted the backtracking was inevitable.
     
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  3. danmarino

    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    And Tua is still participating in OTA’s… just not all of them.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    danmarino Tua is H1M! Club Member

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    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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  11. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    Obviously, the team knew about the charity function ahead of time.

    I understand you wanting the team to be better. We all want that. But it's already been shown that Tua is taking this offseason extremely seriously. Him missing one voluntary OTA - especially for charity - isn't something to blow a gasket over.
     
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  12. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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  13. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Allen's a good athlete.
     
  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    We like to think of football players as automatons. They are not. This is hardly something to get worked up about.

    Eh, it may have been an overreaction to the concussions, but considering he avoided them last year it may have been worthwhile to have the bulk. Now with a healthy season full of using his tackling avoidance/falling techniques he can slim down a bit again. I doubt running will ever be a big part of his game, and to be blunt, it's not a requirement. But it is helpful in situations where there is an open lane to take the yards, especially if you can pick up third downs. I have very little interest in seeing him challenge defenders though.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    When you haven’t won anything in 23 years, when this particular team has failed closing the last two years then I expect sacrifice., especially from the Qb position who wants 50 mill..

    I know that rubs people the wrong way and they just chalk it up to no big deal about this off-seasons missed workouts and now practices, but I’m looking at our Qb for the highest level of sacrifice, and that’s thinking it all through with context.

    Saban would have understood if Tua called and apologized for not being able to attend.

    My perspective is jmo, obviously, but until this franchise gains respect and accomplishes worthy goals what everyone is doing and their processes are in question
     
  16. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Troll post
    :oldtoker:
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Don’t ever compare me to you
     
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  18. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Please no.

    A completely negative troll post!!!!
    You are being checked!!
    We have a standard!!!
     
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  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Damn strait, your opinions don’t come close to the standard here.

    So your posts will always get checked until you evolve.

    I’m being critical of one aspect of the player but you cannot even engage into a normal conversation about it, you just resort to the same drivel.
     
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  20. OwesOwn614

    OwesOwn614 Well-Known Member

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    Tua is listed #14 on PFF's list. It doesn't bug me because of the 13 in front of him, I'd only take about five back in a trade. And of the other eight, it's six-of-one-and-half-dozen-of-the-other type of difference between them and Tua. It's just funny how PFF prides itself on objective analysis but resorts to opinions to sort the wheat from the chaff.

    The list follows:
    Tier 1: Mahomes

    • 1: Patrick Mahomes
    Tier 2: The Elite

    • 2: Lamar Jackson

    • 3: Joe Burrow

    • 4: Josh Allen
    Tier 3: Postseason-Caliber QBs

    • 5: Justin Herbert

    • 6: Dak Prescott

    • 7: Matthew Stafford

    • 8: Aaron Rodgers

    • 9: Jalen Hurts

    • 10: CJ Stroud
    Tier 4: The Melting Pot of Starters

    • 11: Jordan Love

    • 12: Trevor Lawrence

    • 13: Brock Purdy

    • 14: Tua Tagovailoa

    • 15: Kirk Cousins

    • 16: Jared Goff

    • 17: Kyler Murray

    • 18: Geno Smith

    • 19: Caleb Williams
    Tier 5: Can Single-handedly win and lose games

    • 20: Baker Mayfield

    • 21: Derek Carr

    • 22: Russel Wilson

    • 23: DeShaun Watson
    Tier 6: The Next Generation

    • 24: Anthony Richardson

    • 25: Bryce Young

    • 26: Jacoby Brissett/Drake Maye

    • 27: Jayden Daniels

    • 28: Will Levis
    Tier 7: The Holdovers

    • 29: Daniel Jones

    • 30: Aidan O’Connel/Gardner Minshew

    • 31: Sam Darnold/JJ McCarthy

    • 32: Jarrett Stidham/Bo Nix
    Here's their breakdown of #1:

    It was the best season yet for the former No. 5 overall pick, as the talented Tagovailoa earned the highest passing grade in the regular season of any quarterback (88.9) and made 35 big-time throws, good for third in the league. However, his 3.5% turnover-worthy play rate was higher than every other quarterback in the top five of big-time throws, and his 25 turnover-worthy plays were the fifth most.

    When the play goes according to plan, Tua can be a surgeon; he had the lowest time to throw of any starting quarterback (2.33 seconds). But interestingly enough, he had the most turnover-worthy plays in the NFL when there was no pressure. His grade takes a significant dip when he is pressured, but he can still be productive if what he expects to see is there.

    Tua’s arm is adequate for the NFL level, but it doesn't get him out of trouble. either. He trusts head coach and play-caller Mike McDaniel a lot, which is a good thing, but there are times when he is too reliant on what the play should be and not what the best decision actually is post-snap.

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    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback-rankings-all-32-starters-2024-nfl-season
     
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  21. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Dude, you are truly nuts. Your posts are truly nuts. There is no standard anywhere for your babble.

    So, stop with your negative and hypocritical BS or you will get checked.
     
  22. FinFaninBuffalo

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    So he he had the highest pass grade and the 7th highest overall grade and they rank him 14th? Okay, sure.
     
  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    lol, the board has spoken many times, look in the mirror or continue to pose.
     
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  24. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    He's already sacrificing his time to do what he can to improve as a quarterback. And he's been doing that ever since he got into the league. And no matter what the circumstances, it's just not reasonable to expect any player to eat, breathe, and sleep football 24/7.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not sure why anyone would feel differently.

    Based on past experience of the team recently, and the fact that the Qb is trying to get new contract to make him an elitely paid player.

    Here’s what I know.

    McDaniel confirmed that he has missed scheduled practices/sessions.

    His Qb coach is not teaching camps when Tua schedules his visits.

    There is enough time in off-season to schedule around your team sessions/practices to work with your private Qb coach and not miss McDaniel confirmed missed team sessions.

    The message it sends to the team that you are playing golf while they are working together is not the optimum look for a Qb.

    If he scheduled the event while not knowing the 6 practices, then after you find out that the golf event conflicts with the 6 practice team schedule then you cancel your golf event.

    Is it a deal breaker for the team and will it affect anything team related?, I don’t know, probably not, but when you lead the league in years of not winning a playoff game, and your team has the reputations it has the past two years, then I just think full committment is in order.

    That’s it, I’ve said my peace, moving on
     
  26. Finatik

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    When you hate your QB this is a masterclass in what to post.
     
  27. OwesOwn614

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    That's what I meant about how they try to pretend their stats give them objective reasons to make their analyses but then cloud their articles with subjective opinions. Context has to put stats into perspective, but individual opinions influence context.
     
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    His training, Nick Hicks, confirmed he put the weight on to try and avoid injury and insinuated it was done at the team's recommendation.
     
  29. VManis

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    One thing I think you are overlooking is that Tua is likely one of the "stars" of the golf event. If he pulled out at the last minute (insert joke), he would have left Saban and the event in a bind. It was bad timing on the part of the event organizers to have it at a time when OTAs may occur and a lack of planning on Tua's part to commit to the event when there was a chance it could conflict.
     
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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Tua’s super power on display here, so talented throwing the football accurately

     
  31. VManis

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    • Tyreek has led the league in receiving for several seasons and still has a chip on his shoulder.
    • Waddle is just a ball of energy ready to explode at any minute both in terms of his physical ability and his personality
    • Tua leads by teaching
     
  32. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I do think both players need to sacrifice some targets this year for the overall better meant of the offense, we have the weapons to use them in different ways besides just catching the ball

    I know stat folks will disagree
     
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  33. VManis

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    I agree that the offense should improve this year by not being as dependent on those two

    But I meant that despite being considered one of the best WR in the league Tyreek works so hard at his craft because he still feels he has something to prove.
     
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  34. Tuanon4Life

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    5 yrs 250 mil
     
  35. OwesOwn614

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    Submitted for the "There's No Excuse For Having A Fat QB" crowd (and also for the "Tua's not participating in offseason activities" doomers):

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  36. djphinfan

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    yes correct, theres no excuse, that's why he lost the weight so it only proves the point. and noone was a doomer, just commenting on an overall perspective of committment.
     
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  37. OwesOwn614

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    The "doomer" reference was toward those who thought he was holding out. Stop being so sensitive.
     
  38. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don’t even know what that actually means anymore
     
  39. resnor

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    But that's exactly why he isn't gonna be as great as them. He doesn't care enough. Those guys wanted to be THE BEST. Anything less wasn't good enough. Just like Jordan.
     
  40. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Well, maybe it's because they don't feel that Tua was as responsible for those stats as you do? I dunno, but it's one of the few things that makes sense when you see stuff like this.
     

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