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Official Florida Gators Thread

Discussion in 'College Sports' started by Motion, Dec 10, 2007.

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  1. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Probably UF, they were home.
     
  2. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    oklahoma controls its own destiny from here on out
     
  3. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Alot of teams still control their own destiny, being #1 this early in the season isn't usually a good thing.
     
  4. Fin-Omenal

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    I didnt enjoy watching Florida lose...but I sure did enjoy Meyer losing!

    All is not lost UF fans its still early and if you win the SEC you will still likely be playing in the "show".

    But if you lose another one......it might be another Outback Bowl.
     
  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    :tongue2: Kneel before the might that is Penn State :tongue2: Thx guys we may actually be able to overcome the ridiculous rankings they gave us and get into the show now. Go Bama and go Miss St
     
  6. Get Up And Go

    Get Up And Go New Member

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    Well PSU finally plays a real team tonight huh:up:
     
  7. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Yeah. I'm so nervous. Got a good feeling but you never know. Its been so long. BTW Oregon State might beg to differ. USC too for that matter lol
     
  8. Get Up And Go

    Get Up And Go New Member

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    I hope PSU does well but we don't know what kind of team it is yet.
     
  9. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Agreed. We'll know better after tonight. Doesnt look good early though. Excited by seeing Vontyae Davis on Illinois too. Might be wearing a Phins uniform. Hope he's on the field for 45 minutes tonight :)
     
  10. my 2 cents

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    I posted (the below response) in the game thread....I am a Cane fan and they have their own set of problems...I over value the Canes and Gator fans REALLY over value the Gators...that is what fans do...we seldom see reality in our own...only other teams.

    ...but I really think this is possible...the 8-5 since the Auburn is really telling IMHO...

    The response...

    Actually Florida could have another 4 or even 5 loss season. UM could lose 5-6 and FSU could lose 5-6...the traditional Florida three are down....Florida is just hugely over hyped because they have a HT winner and are just 2 years removed from winning a NC.......................they still lost 4 games last year and have beaten a pretty unimpressive group so far.......

    They still have to play LSU/Georgia and a bowl game...and I think Vandy is a bad match up for them.

    IMHO they are still rated based on two years ago...people, Gator fans in particular seem to forget that they lost 4 games last year,and have the same problems.

    This year they came out and beat a Hawaii team that will be lucky to win 3 games, got played even by Miami Northwest High School for three quarters, and beat a Tennessee team that is just horrible. This is really their first "test" not that Ole Miss is top 20 material or anything...but they are experienced on offense and have athletes on defense.

    They (Florida) still have problems with Line depth particularly offensively, poor DB play particularly tackling, function only sporadically on offense when teams make Tebow read a coverage, and have 194 guys on scolly that run 3.2 something and the game is still played with one football at last check. IMHO they need to focus on recruiting some line studs.

    Also since Auburn provided the blue print to slow Tebow on that ESPN night game last year...Florida is 8-5 with some pretty unimpressive wins thrown in there...................
     
  11. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Tebow, post-game press conference.....

     
  12. Jaydog57

    Jaydog57 Canes/Fins/Magic fan

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    You gotta give it to Tebow, he's a die hard competitive Gator football player through and through. And from what I've heard from friends in Gainesville, a helluva humble guy that will actually stop and talk with you for a few minutes.
     
  13. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    :up:

    I've been complaining about it since the middle of last season. I see so much wasted energy on offense. I continue to be less than thrilled with Mullen, and would love to see what someone like Rich Rod or Houston Nutt could do with this talent. The offense often seems directionless.

    The ONLY positive feeling I walked out of the stadium with was Brandon Spikes. He's officially a stud LB. His improvement since the first half of last season just thrills me.

    Here's the thing about the Gators:
    We dropped easy catches on offense.
    Laid the ball on the ground with a freaking bow on offense.
    Gave a broken coverage bomb TD on defense.
    Didn't block well enough on offense.
    Again failed to move Tebow out of the pocket and get him running on pass plays rather than just the spread option stuff he typically runs.

    And still lost by one point on a blocked extra point.

    It sickens me, and yet gives me reason to believe this team can still contend this year.
    However, the offense needs a new direction. We have allowed the opposing defense to dictate what we run.
     
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  14. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    His leadership may be better than his play, and says quite a bit.

    I hope Mullen and Meyer take some time to think outside of the box. Tebow has become pigeon holed on offense. They need to pull some game tape of
    Vince Young at Texas and look at how to use Tebow's running ability to open the offense up rather than be predictable, which is exactly what UF's offense is at this point. There's a lot of flair with motion and spread sets, but it is a very predictable offense at this point.
     
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  15. CrunchTime

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    Yes .I agree .Very predictable offense .

    I think they have handcuffed Tebow too much

    A big part of the offense was Tebow bulling his way to TDs and running over people.

    Now they have stopped him from doing what comes natural to him .I know they are protecting him from injuries but that idea was based on the assumption that the offense would make up for that production by other means which hasnt happened .
     
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  16. my 2 cents

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    As a non Gator fan I can offer a somewhat subject view....and I personally agree with CT. Tebow has been handcuffed IMO also.

    Tebow is not a great pocket passer,,,,, probably fairly average, and probably never will be a great pocket type guy....BUT get him rolling out throw on the run, playing a "scrambled eggs" offense and let him play forward running with his brute strength and some underrated wiggle ..... he is dominant at the college level...

    Why anyone...a.k.a. Meyer, would ask him to do things he is not good at,,,, when it won a NC with him doing those very things. His "natural" ability is outside the pocket and running the ball...he is an absolute BEAST at doing that is beyond me.

    The teams that have played UF tough since the Auburn game last year have taken away deeper route particularly slants outside the hash and pinched the middle of the field deep. That way they are containing Tebow to some degree just by the scheme without spying. The key to all the teams that have had success against UF is pressuring Tebow in the pocket without bringing everyone on every play (hence they need some better linemen on BOTH sides of the ball)....so why not let him roll out and throw those layered routes which he does best anyway??????

    Teams know they can score on UF, and have made Tebow work the field, make decisions and "given" Harvin underneath, and made them work their way down the field without making mistakes....which during this 8-5 stretch they have made plenty of mistakes.

    This team has enormous offensive talent IMHO but they are trying to fit square pegs in round holes and make Tebow something he is not....let him be the best running QB in CF (which he IS!!!! without a doubt IMO) and a dangerous thrower on the run and you win out and play for a NC....

    try and make him a pocket NFL type passer with a low Int ratio that does not "take" chances" throwing and win by throwing to Harvin underneath.....and you lose 4 games and play in the Broccoli Bowl or something....just my opinion.....
     
  17. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    Very well put. We have the talent, its just needs organized and executed better. Hopefully this was a wake-up call.
     
  18. my 2 cents

    my 2 cents Well-Known Member

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    I agree CT

    ...and if you are going to be predictable...be predictable doing what you do best, and not trying to be something you are not.......

    Do not be predictable trying to make Tebow an NFL type QB.....do it with the best running QB in the last 20 years in CFB, and a guy that won the HT throwing on the run and operating Outside the pocket....again...JMO....
     
  19. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    :woot:

     
  20. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    I've had another thought all season, that I can't shake. IMO the focus that the staff has put on Tebow to run less Tebow-like and avoid injury has screwed up his head and made him tentative running the ball. It's like he took the whole bottle instead of just one aspirin.

    This is most evident when he runs the option. There is an art to being an effective qb running the option. Aside from making sure the pitch is accurate :rolleyes:, the most important aspect is to attack the line of scrimmage. The point is to force the defender's hand and make them come after you while you increase the distance between yourself and the RB. He hasn't been doing that. Tebow has been running along the LoS, keeping the distance between himself and the RB too close and thus allowing one defender to bottle both people up.

    Chris Leak had this problem when Meyer came here, but Leak was never a running QB, and it was clear to me he just wasn't comfortable with the contact. We all know Tebow isn't scared of contact, but this focus on him staying healthy in effect neutered him.
     
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  21. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Wish Tressel would do this :pity:
     
  22. Skeet84

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    The Gators will roll this weekend and win by at least 40. Arkansas is horrible and the worst team in the SEC
     
  23. Cuban Dave 9

    Cuban Dave 9 Lane Kiffin = A-Clown

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    errrrrrr
     
  24. Skeet84

    Skeet84 New Member

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    What are u errrring at?
     
  25. Oboy

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    Saw that too Motion.. All I can say is ABOUT TIME.

    Two points, either they are handcuffing Tebow or he is just not making good reads on the option plays. I don't know how many times I saw him take it and go up the middle when the outside pitch was wide open, and vice versa. Second, THROW the ball more!! The last drive when we finally opened up the offense was like clockwork. NEED to do that at least once or twice early in the game to soften the D. The Safeties were just crashing the line the whole first half.
     
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    finswin56 Get a mop

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    Most of what you've got there is the same problem. We can't throw more the way plays are currently being called. The straight drop back isn't working because Tebow isn't getting the time he requires. Truth be told, he isn't a pro QB when it comes to the drop back, read, and react passing. His reads just aren't fast enough for our line and a traditional pocket passing attack.

    That's why he's being handcuffed, or pigeon holed. The passing game needs a fundamental change. This reminds me of Atlanta with Vick. Forcing him to be a pocket QB was an exercise in futility. I am far more interested in seeing Tebow make the most of his abilities rather than seeing him developed into a NFL QB. I wish he was a NFL QB, but right now I think he's a great H-back prospect, just as I did last year, and I wouldn't take that to be an insult to Tebow. He is who he is, and that is a great athletic qb.
     
  27. Themole

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    Another problem I've noticed is he is not running with any authority like he's done in the past. He looks timid, he's not getting down behind his shoulder pads. Most of the tackles being make on him are around his waist. Tactically, this offense is out of sync, IMO, because TT is not being respected on his runs. I hate to say it, but I don't think this will be our only loss. Unless DM & UM get their heads out of their arse.
     
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    finswin56 Get a mop

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    I absolutely agree, and even posted about how I think the focus on him avoiding injury has effectively neutered Tebow.
     
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    I guess sometimes these coaches can't see the forest for the trees. It's beyond me how UM has allowed this to happen. This offense has not been fluid all season. The only thing the SEC understands and respects is power football. TT, can offer that if they will just make up their mind to ride him till it stops working.

    You are 100% correct finswin. TT is NOT a pro style QB and IMO never will be. But he is a very very good college QB. Exploit his talent!
     
  30. Skeet84

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    Moody needs about 20 carries a game even tho he lookd like he got hurt v.s. Ole Miss. They need to start using Brandon James and Chris Rainey more. WR screens and quick slanys. Also Tebow can't over throw guys like he has done.

    I think Urban Meyer will fix things and we will be fine. Defense still looked good for the most part.
     
  31. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    Moody moves the chains, plain and simple. He also lifts the inside running game off of Tebow's shoulders.
    I saw him limp off the field Saturday, and never saw him return. Looked like an ankle thing. Was there any mention of it on TV?
     
  32. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    I never heard an update.
     
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  33. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Just like last year, its strange.
     
  34. Oboy

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    I agree with most, but I would not say the drop back passes are not working. Not as a whole. I think they do work. Heck the last drive this weekend was a good example. I just think we are not opening up the plays and letting Tim throw (or run for that matter).
     
  35. finswin56

    finswin56 Get a mop

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    Prevent type, soft zone defense. No blitzers.
    Don't get me wrong. He CAN throw from the pocket, but not with the way we are running the offense currently, and he does need more time to pass than our OL currently gives him.

    BTW, anyone know if James Wilson is hurt? It's really disappointing that he can't get out there while Tartt is hurt. Marcus Gilbert hasn't given me much to be happy about.
     
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    That was a heck of a fall in the polls .The Gators will have to whip up on Georgia,LSU and win the SEC to get back up there
     
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