Let's do it - a Grier Retrospective

After today I'm going with hiring McDaniel. Guy can't adapt and can't prepare the team properly. Getting the right HC is about as important as it gets, and we're going to need a new one.

 

It's tough to pick one, but the most
impactfull was Tua over Herbert.. And let's not throw this all on Grier’s lap, Ross is also ultimately to blame for being a completely clueless owner, not getting rid of Grier sooner, for tampering and costing us picks, and for letting Harbaugh go to LA because he didn’t want to snatch him from his alma matter.

It all starts at the top folks.

 

I took Harris over TJ Watt because it’s basically the same position (and was an indication of what to come). Tua over Herbert a close second to me, cause Tua ain’t a real bust like Harris.

Edit: looking at it again the Waddle one was really bad as well, didn’t like it from the start.

Edit2: After today one could include Grant over Warren but that’s way to early.

 

Hiring McDaniel if that was really his decision.

 

I can't point to one thing, it's the accumulation of decisions which prove he has no idea what he is doing

 

Grant over Warren was blasphemy. It'll haunt us for years to come.

Tua over Herbert is debatable, but I fully expected that pick to be Herbert and was completely dumbfounded when it came back as Tua. I'd take Herbert and his playoff failures over Tua.

I wanted Sewell over Waddle, but I do like what Waddle did for us his first two years here. He's been an afterthought since then.

Harris over TJ Watt was just stupid.

It's going to take a colossal crash of a season for Grier and McDaniel to get their tickets. Right now I think us, Carolina, and New Orleans are easily going to lead to Arch Manning race this year. We'll be lucky to win 4 games. Tua haters will finally get their wish.

 

Flores was fired after going 9-8, and Gase after going 7-9. I don't think it will take a colossal crash to get McD fired. Not making the playoffs, or even making it but not winning might be sufficient. Not sure what it takes to get Grier fired.

The Tua situation could go in many different directions. You could easily get a top pick for him given what teams have given up for other QBs, or the new HC might stay with him.

Also, is Arch coming out next year? There are conflicting reports, and it's really hard to draft #1 even if you suck, so I wouldn't expect us to get him either way (he hasn't yet played like a great prospect either, though it's early).

 

I'm just throwing Mannings name out there. Coincidentally I like the Oklahoma QB better, but that's really irrelevant given how the season is brand new and it's only week one. We could turn it around, and I do expect us to look and play better next week (we can't possibly play any worse).
As far as coach goes, I agree. This is his last stand and Tua is tied directly to him in my opinion. Grier on the other hand, who TF knows? Dude obviously has pictures or videotape of Ross at a Vegas bathhouse doing dirty old man **** because he should have been axed three years ago. We can't draft for **** and the vets we do sign are cheeks. It's really a combination of f****ery from the top on down. Ross gets caught trying to lure Brady, Grier drafts players that fit his personality agenda, and McDaniel has zero control or authority over the locker room. I say all this and yet we outscored the Detroit Lions today who were an offensive machine last year. The NFL is crazy like that tho. One personal change on the coaching staff or roster can really alter things, so in a way, Detroit had an excuse. We just suck.

 

Ill say what ive always said since that draft… i never liked Herbert in college… but his combine and pro day showed measurables that made it clear he was the second best qb…

The thing i didnt like is that i felt he was a little too much like Tannehill and Tannehill was never it..

He looked great yesterday on his second year with Jim.. quarterbacks always seem to make a jump when Jim is their coach. See Alex Smith before and after.. see Kaepernick.. see McCarthy in Michigan.. and now it is Herbert’s time.


I never liked Tua in Alabama… same with Mac Jones.. they were both a product of a system in which he played with 4 first round pick receivers, one of them won a Heisman..

too small, left handed, short arm.. bad hips..

 

McDaniel. He had an unstoppable offense. They changed the rules because of it. Now he cant adapt.

 

Never underestimate what teams are willing to give up for a potential franchise QB. Remember Deshuan Watson? Huge contract plus 3 1sts given up. If anything the prediction of just 1 1st for Tua is low-balling it. It's not what you think he's worth. It's what teams that have struggled to find anything resembling a franchise QB think he's worth.

 

That's good for us. You see so many cases where teams give up unreasonable amounts for a potential franchise QB. Anyway, if we ever get that far we should dig up this conversation again and have a friendly bet on how much we get for Tua.

 

I was convinced after the Harris pick that Grier was incompetent, and here were are 8 years later, ****ing Grier has still not been fired. Ross is a ****ing imbecile and sadist who likes to torture his fan base.

 

We should have went for the record. It was all downhill from there.

 

There’s a number of different ways you could go, but I think the Tua pick had such a ripple effect it’s almost impossible to separate it from all the other downstream decisions (Waddle over Sewell, Flores debacle, McDaniel hiring, Grant over an OL/DB, etc.). There’s so much that can be plastered over with good QB play, especially a QB that can run.
Everything really stems from that fateful pick.

 

For me, it was when Ross hired him and said it was because of his clear vision to make us a, "perennial playoff contender." I called him the ultimate snake oil salesman at that time and many of you turned on me.

I literally saw who he was on day one. He takes all the credit, passes all the blame to coaching, and is a cancer within the organization. He stripped away a decade of building a .500+ team that was only a few pieces short of contending. For what? So we could be a .500 team only a few pieces short of contending. But he wasted six years in the process as people bought his lies and our superstars got old.

Many of you got exactly what you wished for- enjoy the snake oil.

 

As bad as we looked yesterday, i dont see us being the worst team in the league to get that high of a pick…

the Panthers looked awful… the Browns even though they had a close game, that team is destined to be bottom 5 bad.

If we somehow end up being historically bad and have that pick, i dont see Arch passing on the opportunity to play in a city like Miami…

If its a team like the Browns, or Panthers in that position.. well i can see him going back to school.. the Mannings like to control their situation, just like they did with Eli.

 

Yes, Without a doubt and, imo, it's not even close. Funny you mention Harbaugh because I really wanted him at that time to be the coach and now look who he's coaching. A double kick in the nuts!

 

I think McD is the ultimate snake oil salesman so it fits in nicely with the type of Yes, Sir / *** kissing types of guys that Ross either attracts or likes.

McD and Grier, two buffoons that think they are smarter than everyone cause they can outsmart the league. After all, who needs an OL when you have a quick thinking QB??? Who needs a secondary when you have 3x Lawrence Taylor on the DL (who also get injured often)? Who needs a backup QB when you have Sklyar Thompson? Who needs leadership when all your captains are "cancers" or aren't part of the "culture"? Who needs a normal coach when can you have a geek that can barely talk legibly and references Pink Floyd? Are "we are one day closer to death" or getting your *** fired? Who needs a real plan when you can take Tom Brady on your yacht while he is still controlled by another team, forfeiting a draft pick?

CLOWNS.

 

I think Harris over Watt in terms of raw observable talent is the biggest FU by far. Sure we can say in hindsight that Tua over Herbert was a mistake, but a mistake many GMs in the NFL could have potentially made. I'm also no so convinced Herbert would have done observably better on these Dolphin teams. Herbert also has struggled in his career with great talent on both sides of the ball, and now he has the benefit of a great coach and great talent. I won't argue that Tua is better or even as good, I'm just saying it's not a slam dunk screw up like Harris over Watt was.

 

Since the firing of Dave Wannstedt, look at what all of our head coaches have had in common and that in itself tells you all you need to know about the Miami Dolphins organization as a whole. We never once hired a coach with NFL head coaching experience. Sure, we tried Saban since he had college head coaching experience but once he saw how the Dolphins didn’t want to get him Brees and forced Culpepper on him, he was out. Can’t fault him for that.

Since then however? Cameron, Sparano, Philbin, Gase, Flores, McDaniel…near 20 years and not a single head coaching hire with head coaching experience.

Then look at the NFL drafts…Good God Almighty! It’s no wonder we’ve been in mediocrity with whom we’ve drafted and who’s been hired as head coach.

 

I wish I could pick "all of the above"

 

Tua over Herbert. Easy.

Especially cause he used picks to move up, and there was definitely no need to move up. If you were gonna take Tua, you do it in the second.

But I don't think you ever take an undersized weaker armed guy coming off that go injury. But you definitely don't ****ing move up for him.

I wish there was another option: " The magical disappearing first round picks"

 

I thought we traded down then moved back up

 

Yep.I said that when it happened and got ridiculed for it.

 

Lots over here defended that trade. A second rounder and fifth rounder.. they said something like oh we used a free second round pick we never wouldve had, because they traded with the saints and got an extra second..

bruh….. what … a second round pick is a second round pick .. no spinning it..

 

2016 and no playoff wins. It's not the one thing. It's a decade of failure from a guy who thinks he's outsmarting everyone

 

Tuas hip injury (which was gruesome) was the main reason why I wanted us to stay away from him. We had rumored to be all about Herbert a year prior to him being in the draft. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that we were taking Herbert. Again, Tuas injury was what scared me off. I thought the talent and abilities were there with him. I'm not making this Herbert vrs Tua. Both were fine prospects if you remove the injury aspect.

 

Yeah I'd agree with this.

My only caveat, I was a big Bama fan, i watched their games all the time, and I wasn't a draft Tua guy even before the injury. I never thought he was the guy driving Alabama's offense. It was the receivers/backs/line...the things that when he doesn't have them now he struggles.

 

Other - letting Van Ginkle leave town

 

Hunt

 

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