..possibly inactivating Ginn on a Sunday? I mean, he's NOT being used on kick returns obviously. He's close to being useless as a WR while Pennington is QB. Does he have any value to another team? Would Sparano consider activating Hagan and/or Wilford instead of him? Thoughts? Opinions?
that would be stupid. he isn't gonna get better at running his routes if you do that...i expect to see him returning punts and kickoffs next week.
The problem with Ginn right now is his route running, he isn't a great route runner and is a project. Now his speed alone makes him a playmaker but the Coaching staff fails to use him as a returner and they can't use him as a deep threat because Pennington doesn't have the gun to get it there. I think there was 1 play where Ginn was streaking down the field but of course the pocket collapsed causing Pennington to roll out.
I assume you're trying to make a point... Ginn needs to be on the field. Problem is, he has no business being a #1 WR. Why Bess is returning and not Ginn is frustrating. Bess never gets beyond the 25, and Ginn is a threat to give us great starting position every time.
The simple solution is let Bess be the number 2 guy like he was vs the Patriots? Put Ginn in the slot against a lesser Corner and let him return kicks.
I mean, I WANT Ginn to succeed, but the more and more I see this team the less likely it appears to become. I was just wondering if anything thought that either Wilford or Hagan could contribute more than Ginn did today (1 catch, -1 yard)
I posted this in another thread, but I'll post it again because I truly believe this... I do not understand why people consistently point to a inexperience issue with Ginn. Sure he's raw running routes, but what really bugs the hell out of me is that he's softer than a pillow. He's just not mentally tough, and plays like he's scared on the field. You can just tell that he doesn't have the drive or the will to be great. I officially gave up on the guy last weekend when he was running out of bounds to avoid contact. People can point to a 3 year learning curve with WRs making the transition to the NFL, but if he doesn't begin making more of an impact THIS YEAR, then he won't be on this team in his 3rd professional year.
Lets just cut his *** right now, he is wasting a spot on the roster with his 1 catch for -1 yard. Hell I think I could get 1 yard!
He's the type of player who's not going to fight for that extra yard. He's the type of guy who's going to disappear after he gets popped in the mouth, or when we have to win on the road in a hostle environment against a division rival. If he's not in this team's future plans (and right now, I don't know how anyone could argue that he is) why are we wasting our time with him? I'm completely fine with sticking through the struggles of a guy who's trying to learn the position (route running, hands, etc.) but I don't see the point in wasting time with a guy who doesn't WANT to be the player he can be.
I think it's a great idea. I don't see why anyone could claim that it's a stupid idea. Why should Ginn have the priveledge of suiting up every Sunday? Just because of where he was drafted? He isn't one of the Trifecta's guys. Maybe him being inactive will send him a message and light a fire up under his ***. Clearly something has to be done, because it's just not working right now.
Your right so why not just cut our losses and get a 5th for him? I mean were only using him for LOS passes so there is no point in keeping him.
wasn't everyone saying the same thing with Ronnie? "he doesn't have 'it'" "He doesn't have that killer instinct" I don't know how you can say Ginn hasn't been trying, we heard all off-season about how much he is working to improve himself. And i don't know how you can criticize Ginn's hands, unless i missed a play or something, i haven't seen him drop a pass all year. You need to give the kid 3 years, thats when you judge a player. Look at Ronnie, look at reggie bush. Just 2 examples of players that were called busts their first 2 years in the league and then exploded(or in reggies case is exploding) their 3rd year. ESPECIALLY, for a player as raw as ginn is.
please. They aren't ****ing doing anything with him!!!! They don't allow him to return kicks despite him being without a doubt our best kcik returner, and they aren't throwing the bleeping ball his way! His greatest asset(speed) is nullified by Pennington's arm and the complete refusal to use him as a kick returner untill 3 seconds left in this game(which tells me they know hes the better kick returner but refuse to give him the opportunity)
Where do you come up with this stuff? Ronnie was a near 1000 yard back in both of his first two years.
How can I claim he isn't trying? Go back and watch the tape of the SD game. He should have been inactive today after watching some of the crap he pulled down the stretch in that game. And I don't want to hear about what a workout warrior he is. Hagan is too, look where that got him today. As I said before, if he doesn't begin making an impact on the field, he won't be in Miami for his 3rd year.
How about the finheaven message boards? where countless people were saying Ronnie was soft, lacks vision, the it factor,work ethic, and killer instict, etc. Do you not remember last season where people were honestly saying Jessie Chatman was the better back? Same people who say Ginn was a bust.
I meant how can you claim he isn't trying to improve himself, when all we heard in the off-season was about how hard he was working. And saying he'll be gone after this year is laughable. Jason Allen, makes much less than Ginn, contributes much less than Ginn. Is still on the team due to his Cap hit. Ginn couldn't be cut or traded even in the FO wanted to because our Cap would be decimated alone, let alone the fact 2 years is very mre-mature to call anyone a bust
Nice generalization there. FYI, I was never one to get on Ronnie, but then again, I never saw Ronnie running out of bounds to avoid contact instead of taking/delivering a blow to pick up a first down. I also never got the feeling that Ronnie was playing scared, or was mentally soft.
Stop trying to divert the attention away from Ginn by bringing up Allen. No one here is defending Allen. Ginn's performance has nothing to do with Allen. Also, here's Ginn's line today: 1 Reception, -1 yard. I think I remember Allen making a nice coverage play on a punt in the 3rd quarter.
I am not deflecting anything, i am giving you the reason why Ginn will not be cut or traded this off-season, at the very least Cap hit. Allen is less conveted by the FO, and yet cannot be cut because of his cap hit, which is much less than Ginn's. I was drawing a parallel not deflecting anything. And to take one game and say Allen is contributing more to this team is ludicris considering without a clutch third down reception by Giin the very last game against the chargers we would not have been able to stop from giving the CHargers another possession with plenty of time left.
I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you regarding which one has sucked less. The point is: they've both sucked.
If we gave up on all the rookies who didn't pan out in their 2nd year, we'd be without a lot of good players.Vernon cary would be gone. Roth, crowder. Etc. Rookies are given 4-5 year contracts for a reason. Give everyone some time.
I think this is a stupid idea.. that's my thought I believe this is a stupid idea....that's my opinion.
I'm not for it or against it honestly, but if he keeps up with the 1 catch, -1 yard performances do you think it COULD happen? That's all I asked. Just a logical question.
What defines better? Training camp? Practices? If given the opportunities, do you think Hagan and/or Wilford can adequately fill in for Ginn and post better number?
Hagan has been given opportunities and Wilford in past games has been put into games a lot and he has produced nothing.
Honestly, I'm not sure they can. Wilford fails to get separation, doesn't use his body well, isn't fast enough (4.79 forty) and has average hands at best. As for Hagan, he can get open but then can't catch the ball. Ginn, imo, has better hands than both and is an option(stress on the word) on ST's unlike the other two.
That was funny lol ...........you warn us about someone's sarcasm then i give ya some and then ya eat it up.Woot Vernon, Crowder, and Roth were light years better then Ginn, even if the reports about Vernon were true.........
Well, OK, but there is a huge difference between Brown's and Ginn's production in their first two years. Some lunatics will say everyone who isn't Dan Marino or Jerry Rice as soon as they start playing is a bust. But sometimes those lunatics are right -- some players really are busts! (Jamar Fletcher, anyone?) Ginn might be a bust even if a lot of the people calling him a bust are idiots.
Ginn made one of the biggest plays in that San Diego game down the stretch. That catch on 3rd and 4 to keep the drive alive was a great, aggressive effort after being knocked in the mouth on the line. I'm frustrated in Teddy just like everyone else, but I'm not gonna give up on him yet.
The solution is sack up and make the trade for Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin... EITHER would be worth a 1st round pick. PROVEN commodities versus talent you can't accurately gage = smart decision.
