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Fortunately for Dolphins, left tackle position seems set

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Hugo Guzman, Jan 2, 2008.

Are the Dolphins set at left tackle

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    22 vote(s)
    34.4%
  3. It's Carey's first year at the position, so I'll withhold judgement for now

    23 vote(s)
    35.9%
  1. Hugo Guzman

    Hugo Guzman New Member

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    ok, I guess we need to get back to basics.

    empirical - Originating in or based upon observation or experience; capable of being verified or disproved by observation or experiment.

    Your analysis of his performance is tainted by several things, not the least of which is your inability to access coach's tape. Secondly, merely saying that you analyzed his play is not good enough, because that is in the arena of opinion. The fact is that the empirical data (that which is capable of being verified) shows that he is a well above average left tackle.

    And as for your accusations about my insights on Carey's run blocking, clearly you did not actually read the column. I specifically went over Ronnie Brown's rushing average when running to Carey's side. It was well over 5 yards per carry. I also looked at how the team ran up the middle and on the right. So if you're going to make wild claims about how Carey should shine above the mediocrity around, here is, once again, empirical data that shows he did just that.

    But you go own and believe that he is average and that we need an upgrade. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

    Padre31 - I will try to dig up some blocking stats on Mauia, but those are very tough to come by. I'll do my best.
     
  2. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    We do indeed. Let's see:



    Gee. Thanks for the definition, professor. Seriously, how could I have forgotten four years worth of studying Hume and Locke? Especially since I graduated in empiric philosophy? I'm at a loss. If it wasn't for you freshing up my memory, I'd never remembered what empirical meant.

    But now that you have kindly provided me with a definition, let's hold you to it, shall we? So how comes that when empirical data is based upon observation, my obseravation (or that of a lot of other people, for that matter) isn't empirical but opinion, while your observation of course qualifies as empirical? When you try to awe people with a clever definition, at least make sure that your own arguments hold up to it.



    Clearly - and in spite of your spin-doctoring - you don't know what empirical data actually means. There's not a single instance of "data" in your "column" - there are a lot of claims that you fail to back up with said data. I don't see you citing a single source. I don't see you mentioning where you got your numbers from. I don't see any comparisons between Carey's alleged running stats and those of other (Dolphins) linemen. Basically, the whole thing is one claim after the other with no empirical backbone whatsoever. Sounds smart and insightful, but isn't.



    What a wonderfully telling line. So in spite of your opening question ("are we in agreement?"), this isn't about a discussion, this is about being right. Mesias Guzman lead us to the promised land and everyone arguing that the land isn't so promising after all, is clearly an idiot. I was about to tell you that your handling of objective critcism is oozing with presumptuousness, but alas, you took the words right out of my mouth.
     
  3. Hugo Guzman

    Hugo Guzman New Member

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    I love responses like yours. It means that my post (and my column to a certain extent) got under your skin.

    First off, thanks for all the cheap shots and personal attacks. Those are always fun, but I won't return the favor.

    Secondly, you asked me if I backed up my claims with stats, and I responded that I did. Also, in my column, I linked to Carey's stats.

    I didn't link to Brown's splits because, as most fans know, in sports writing, you don't have to cite stats that are common knowledge. But here goes:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/splits?playerId=8417
    (you'll have to scroll down towards the bottom of the page to find his splits by direction...it's actually quite detailed).

    You accuse of valuing my opinion over yours, yet somehow fail to mention that my empirical data is statistical in nature, and therefore varifiable, while yours is based simply on your own eyes and little else.

    Congratulations on your philosophy degree. I hope it serves you well. You may want to work on your journalistic and analytical skills, though.

    Thanks for chiming in on the conversation anyway.
     
  4. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Thanks Hugo, it wouldn't be a big deal except for the blog slam on him, I watched most of the Dolphins games and don't recall Reagen being a dud, he's not a blast them out of the hole type (yet) but he also is not a dud...
     
  5. Etuoo33

    Etuoo33 New Member

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    My thoughts exactly.... besides where is the premiere LT in this draft? Do you want to spend the #1 overall choice on J Long. I don't, besides Carey may not want to move back, you know the payday thing.
     

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