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***Red Sox Nation 2008 Thread***

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Phinperor, Mar 22, 2008.

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  1. DonShula84

    DonShula84 Moderator Luxury Box

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    Peavy must have really backed off his claim that he wouldnt go to the AL if he'd accept a trade to Boston. I find it unlikely that this would have tbh, even if Boston would agree on a package.
     
  2. Brown42000

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    If Boston isn't going to win it all I don't want to see a team like TB who couldn't sell out a game until the final week of the season win it all. Their "fans" don't deserve it. I've grown to dislike some of the players as well through the year specifically Matt Garza.
     
  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Boston is easily one of the most "bandwagoned" teams in the past 5 years. Don't get on Tampa Bay fans.
     
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  4. Brown42000

    Brown42000 Chillin

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    Your telling me Boston has more bandwagon fans then Tampa Bay?
     
  5. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    Of course the Red Sox are one of the most bandwagoned teams in the past 5 years it's because they won 2 titles in the span. Anytime a team wins people jump on the bandwagon. It happens with every team. Do you think 3 million fans always showed up at Yankee Stadium? Do you really think everyone was a Cowboy fan in the early 90s because they liked their uniform? Do you really think people in the Colorado area cared about the Rockies before October 1st last year? And yes there are now tons people on the Rays bandwagon, it happens every year.

    The only problem I personally have with TB fans is that suddenly everyone is a 'lifer' and are lecturing people on how other teams fans are bad. I don't mind that people have jumped on the bandwagon now (like I said it happens and that's how teams build up fanbases) just don't pretend you were there from the beginning.
     
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  6. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    It's all you bro.. .Gooooo C's !
     
  7. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    Yeah, bandwagoned around the country.

    The Red Sox large core fanbase in New England is NOT however.

    Tampa fans and their cowbells in that dome are a joke in every sense of the word and you ain't gonna convince me otherwise.
     
  8. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    They couldn't even draw fans in the ALDS!! Give me a break and go bark that vomit up another tree.
     
  9. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    It's easy for a fan of a ~100 year old cornerstone franchise with a great ballpark and virtually unlimited payroll ceiling to condescend the fans of a 10 year old franchise with a not-so-great ballpark and a low payroll ceiling that endured awful ownership the first seven and never reached .500 prior to this year.

    This is the Yankees spring training home. Legends Field (recently renamed to 'Steinbrenner Field', where the Yankees and their Single-A team play) sits adjacent to Raymond James Stadium on One Steinbrenner Way. One of the Bay Area's busiest streets (Dale Mabry Hwy) runs between the two stadiums. Hell, half the Yankees organization is still headquartered here.

    You think it was easy for the Rays to lure fans in that situation while they were losing?

    I honestly don't care a lot about baseball or the Rays. Baseball lost me for the most part in the late '90s. I've been to a few playoff games. Actually turned down a ticket to Game 7 the other night and fell asleep in the 8th inning.

    But I hope Tampa wins if for no other reason than it grates at the snobby Boston fans that think it's their birthright. :tongue:

    They said the same thing when the Lightning won the Cup vs. Calgary in '04. BTW - that arena was full then and stays full now. If the Rays can't attract more fans next year, by all means criticize. But IMO they deserve a chance to actually taste some success for the first time and the attendance boost it generally brings thereafter.
     
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  10. njfinfan

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    Ain't that the truth.
     
  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Its all about perspective.....I havent lost mine!
     
  12. Ray Finkle

    Ray Finkle Member

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    I do agree that there are plenty of fans in the Boston area that feel that its their right to always win but be careful with that because there are other cities and fan bases that are the same way.
     
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  13. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    :lol:

    at the last page and a half of ripping Red Sox fans. How quickly things change. Who's got the second city mentality now?
     
  14. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    I agree with the idea that some Red Sox fans took our recent run of success for granted. However, I also believe it would be incorrect to paint the entire fanbase with that broad brush. As Fin.in.RI pointed out, the vast majority of the core fan base in New England never has, and never will, take the success for granted because they've been with the team through so much heartache.

    In response to your quoted point above, it's easy for a fan to condescend Rays fans because its a terrible fanbase. Cowbells? Really?

    This is to take nothing way from what their team accomplished this year. The Rays have been the best team in baseball and deserve to be playing for the title. I don't want it to come across as sour grapes, as I have nothing but respect for the product they were able to assemble down there. All this is merely an observation from someone watching the game nearly 2,000 (I have no idea how far, in miles, Boston is from Tampa) miles away.
     
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  15. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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  16. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I am no psychoanalyst, but me thinks part of the Red Sox vs. Rays issues stem from the fights this year, sure seems to me, the Rays fought everyone and anyone this season from Yanks in ST, to Sox during the season.....and also played some inspired and gutsy baseball between the lines.

    And most of Sox fans would say they have zero love loss for Garza. But he threw a gem in game 7.
     
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  17. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    No question, good point.

    I also think that Garza has now actually done something to warrant "Big Game" going in front of his name, unlike James Shields.
     
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  18. FiN.in.RI

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    Yeah man, Tampa is a hell of a team and being so young, they will continue to be for some time..

    I think that Tampa will represent the AL well. It would sit easier with me if Tampa wins because hey, at least we can say that we took the World Series champions to a game 7 of the ALCS.
     
  19. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    Garza just looks like a freaking horse on the mound with all that tongue spit spattering **** he does.. It's naaassty.
     
  20. FiN.in.RI

    FiN.in.RI Paul pierced through..

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    Understatement of the year.
     
  21. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    That seems to be the pot/kettle thing, coming from fans of a team of self-described DIRTBAGs not to long ago!:up::hi5:
     
  22. FiN.in.RI

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    You can't lose something you never had possesion of.
     
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  23. BigDogsHunt

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    hahaha...if you keep searching you will find some!:lol:
     
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  24. FiN.in.RI

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    Actually, I think the correct term was dirt dogs. And no, it's not a pot/kettle thing, completely different. Being a dirt dog was more of a sense of "the being of the team" or their identity, rather than a disgusting habit of an individual player.
     
  25. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah I would agree with that. I actually gained respect for James Shields because of the fight because he did it the right way, he hit Coco below the letters, he didn't go head hunting and he made his message. I did lost all respect for Gomes because between him pounding on Coco after Navarro had him on the ground and Gomes running in from RF to push Shelley Duncan from behind it became clear that Gomes would be a much better WWE wrestler than ball player.

    I also admit I don't like Garza simply because he pitched a gem in Game 7.
     
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  26. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Really?

    I went to Games 1 and 2 of the ALDS. The place was sold out. And loud as hell.

    The only open seats I saw were in a couple of the...... :rolleyes: luxury boxes.

    Indeed. As a sports fan in general, I'd kill to sit atop the Monster.

    Say what you want. As much as I hate to admit it, Tampa fans are pretty solid. The Bucs got good and they started continuously selling out. The Lightning got good and they've continued to have solid attendance (hockey in Florida!).

    The Trop is on the other side of the Bay. And the surrounding area isn't nearly as desirable as the previous two I mentioned. But I won't sell these fans short until I actually see them not come out next year.

    It could certainly flounder. Wouldn't surprise me. Then again I'm not really a baseball guy anymore, so I'm not the best to judge. But I won't sell them short just yet.

    Finally, I can tolerate cowbells much easier than the Gator clap and the Seminole chop (and chant). Those are just downright silly. I cringe when exposed to them. :lol: Cowbell is just a noisemaker. And they play Bruce Dickinson clips in the dome. When is that EVER a bad thing? :lol:
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    I don't think he was knocking all Tampa fans in general just the Ray fans.

    The cowbell is just as dumb as the thundersticks, white towels, the drums they used in Karate Kid Part 2 or whatever other gimmicks teams pass out for the fans to make artificial noise. What ever happened to fans just showing up and yelling, screaming and cheering? Just my opinion anyway.
     
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  28. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Aside from the one's that were covered up by that gigantic tarp.

    And I do wonder why it was so loud...

    Which brings me to my next point...

    In my very humble opinion, noisemaking props -- thundersticks and cowbells -- don't belong in the game of baseball. As Ray mentioned, I don't like any props (towels, etc.) being handed out prior to a playoff game.

    All that aside, I know some teams do it... so on the scale of horrendously annoying props used for baseball games:

    Towels >>>>>>> Thundersticks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cowbells
     
  29. SICK

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  30. Skeet84

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    Rays fans are horrible! They know nothing about the team and only came out when the playoffs started. I even talked to a few fans and I said you must be excited to get Rocco Baldeli back and 90 percent had no idea who he was. Terrible fans however they have lost a lot over the years.

    The cowbells come from the Cowbell kid who sits in RF. He got that going.
     
  31. Ray Finkle

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    Found this pretty interesting for anyone that doesn't think Lowrie is a long term SS because he didn't hit in the final few months of the season, he was actually playing with a small fracture in his left wrist.

    Personally I also think the season was just too long for guys like him and Ellsbury. Lowrie in particular never got a chance to rest due to the injuries to Lowell and Lugo. Lowrie was playing pretty much every game in the 2nd half. I had more questions about his glove than bat and I'm convinced he could be at the very least an average defensive SS where he might not have the greatest range but if a ball is hit to him he'll catch it.

    Also nice to know that both Beckett and Ortiz don't be surgery and that Beckett's injury had nothing to do with his arm.
     
  32. TheHighExhaulted

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    I saw David Ortiz at Foxwoods on Saturday night. He was pulling a Pacman Jones. Yes, he made it rain.
     
  33. Ray Finkle

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    Word is Coco has been traded to KC for reliever Ramon Ramirez. Don't know much about Ramon but in Theo we trust right?
     
  34. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    Thank goodness. Crisp was an utter failure in Boston, whos shortcomings at the plate would have only been magnified if Shoppach built on what was a very successful year in Cleveland.
     
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    He has had 2 solid years as a reliever. 70 K's and only 31 BB is very nice, and he only gave up 2 HR's in 71.7 innings. He will only be 27 next year.
     
  36. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah and the Sox control him for 4 years and cut payroll as well... Like it matters though.

    As for Coco we all thought we were getting the 05 verison and who knows what would have happened if he never broke his finger in April of 06 but I wouldn't say he was a huge failure. I'd say he was disappointing.
     
  37. FaninPatsyLand

    FaninPatsyLand The Truth

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    He was a failure. The Red Sox thought they were getting a .300 hitter with some pop, who had quite a glove in CF. Crisp only delivered with his glove. He's a .270-.280 hitter with absolutely no pop at all.

    Can you imagine if Marte ever turned into the player he was supposed to be? What a disaster that could have been.

    Also, failure is a relative term. Was he an epic failure like Carl Pavano? No, but who is? He was a major disappointment nonetheless.
     
  38. Ray Finkle

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    The Sox did win a WS with him on the team though, granted he did nothing in the playoffs that year he certainly helped with his defense in 2007 so that at least means something. And he did play very well in the 2008 playoffs too and really helped them team in the Tampa series, without him the Sox might not have gotten to a game 7. So for those reasons I can't say it was a failure, big disappointment absolutely but failure is a strong word.

    Actually thinking back on the trade the main knock on Crisp was that scouts didn't think he could play an above average CF and his bat was never in question. Funny how things work out.

    Either way it's Ellsbury's time. I am surprised that Coco could only land them a reliever but I'd have to think the Sox shopped him everywhere.
     
  39. FiN.in.RI

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    So why does he keep getting traded? I mean I have no problem with the trade, it was for Coco Crisp, but the kid can't seem to find a home which raises a questionmark in my mind at least.
     
  40. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah interesting question, this is actually his 5th organization (he originally signed with Texas, then was released, signed the the Yankees, was traded to the Rockies for Shawn Chacon, and was picked up by KC). He pretty much sucked in Colorado in 2007 before the Royals picked him up where he pitched very well in 2008. Not sure why the Rockies let him go, maybe he ran out of options (?), it does raise some questions. But again he's a reliever so you never know what you're going to get. I guess the best thing about the deal is Ramirez is somewhat young (27) and will be controlled cheap for 4 years. It goes to show you what little value Crisp had.

    Maybe the Sox scouts see something in Ramirez, I guess we'll see.
     

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