My Last Cameron Gripe (and then I'll move on)

Yeah, suffice it to say that Cameron isnt in Parcells T-Mobile Faves5 calling plan. (no where near the inner circle).

 

That's what I was just thinking! Didn't Cam get rid of Daunte cause he didn't fit his "system" and wasn't willing to see if he actually could do the job!

What goes around comes around I guess - Cam set the Karma with Daunte.

 

I still disagree vehemently.

Yes this team was bad and would have been bad with anyone at the coaching position.
Having said that, Cameron did Many things that have been discussed ad nauseum that pointed to him being yet another weakness on this team. If things are going to change for the better ALL the weaknesses needed to be addressed and IMO, (along with the opinions of many players) Cameron was in fact one of those weaknesses.

I"m glad he's gone.
I am worried about who and how Parcells will be choosing the next candidate but the change was needed.

 

And...still this still won't disprove what the man sadi, that Cam was not given a fair chance. Sure we could be turned around in a couple years with Parcells, BUT you can NEVER say now that it would also not have been turned around in a couple years with Cam, because he is not given th chance. He came into a 9 year mess and No on, and I mean NO ONE could turn this garbage around in 1 year, not even Parcells. Cam was not fired for being a bad coach, impossible to say that, look at the 9 years of garbage that slid down to him. Cam was fired because Parcells was too lazy to get to really know Cam and evaluate him when All about him was not garbage. Cam did good in the draft and some other positives, but NO WAY can 9 years of trash be turned around in 1 year, I don't care if you are Bellichick.

Heck Cam is probably relieved to be shut of this mess. But NO WAY can you blame Cam for this year...Blame JJ, Wanny, Nick, Ricky and all the other trash that came and went on a whim and did not care and backstabbed this franchise over and over thru the years and then threw it out on the garbage heap when they had their fun. Cam did not do that, He did the best with what he had. Sure he has his faults, he is himan. But he did do a lot more positive than Nick or wanny did. But if you think Parcells can turn this around in a year, then you are sadly mistaken, So don't bash Cam because he can't turn it around in a year to your liking.

 

Oh please!

What has Daunte done to suggest the Dolphins did anything but the right thing in getting rid of him. Was it Daunte being beat out by Josh McCLown of all QB's? Daunte was dead weight.

 

I didn't say I didn't agree with the move, I just didn't like the way it was handled!

 

None of the past excuses how he handled this roster and many questionable moves made during his tenure. He could have made this team a little better and showed he could coach with whatever he was given but he didn't. He proved to be yet another problem rather than a bright spot to look towards the future with.

I certainly can give Cam some of the blame for this year and apparently Parcells agrees.

In addition if Cam is relieved to be out of this mess then thats just another reason he's not the right guy.

 

My question is, what will be said by all here, next year when/if we have a dreadful season then? Can Parcells????
First it was Saban is our Saviour, and then that lousy season and everyone on the fire saban, go home saban bandwagon. And when he did go, everyone called him a quitter. YOu cant have your cake and eat it too. Either you are behind him or want him out, and if you want him out, don't gripe when he leaves on the way he leaves..you got your wish, he is gone, regardless of the manner he went.

But everyonewas thinking Saban was god, and then Cam was, and now you think Parcells is. Well that is 3 and so far 2 of the 3 no one wants because they aren't god and can't perform a miracale in just 1 year.
Next year if we go 0 or 2 and 16 or 14 the very same ones calling for nick and cam's head will be calling for Parcells, becasue they did not get it done in a year, in the time that YOU people set in place for them. It takes years, not 1 not 2 not 3, to totally rebuild and start having good seasons. Cam had one, and was going in a positive direction, nice draft, and so on. Tired of all the wishy washy people on here. If Cam is your guy then stand by him and quit backstabbing him, if Parcells is then stand by him when the team is lousy for a couple years. I liked Cam and saw the positives he did and that is the first step in the right direction. I did not judge him because it is his first time as HC and I, I, realize and accept that it takes more than a year to rebuild and start winning. After a couple years, then it is time to judge the HC by his progress then.

But now NO ONE will ever know what kind of a coach Cam COULD HAVE been because he was not able to fully realize his plan and direction....oh, but then again maybe we will see what kind of coach he is when he comes in with another team and lays the wood to us.

 

Not trying to make excuses, yes he made some moves that we frowned on and did not understand, BUT Cam was trying to turn the team in a direction he wanted to go, and NONE of us knows what direction that was, nor the reasons for those moves...could have been boneheaded moves, yes, but also could have been laying the groundwork for the future, something better, you don't know nor do I. Cam made many mistakes, but who doesn't? But he had a direction he wanted to go in and I have to believe that even tho we may not have known or seen that big picture, that he was going in that way. We may regret not getting B Quinn, but if the HC is trying to go in a certain direction, then there may be unknown reasons for what he does that seem stupid to us, but that is his job. Not ours to condemn him for trying to turn over a new leaf for the team and take it in a different direction that he believed was the right one.

 

What does Brady Quinn have to do with this?
Were talking coaching here not draft choices.

I"m not condemning him for trying to turn over a new leaf for the team and take it in another direction. I'm condemning him because what I saw of this team and decisions made by him made me feel he didn't have the ability to lead this team effectively towards that goal of his. Having an idea and being able to implement that idea to fruition are two completely different challenges.

 

Other coaches don't just coach whatever they are given, they do the best they can with it, and if it doesn't work then they get rid of them. Look at Bellichick, kept vinateri for a while and then got rid of him and he is still a good kicker, Deon branch and others. I bet the Pats fans thought those were boneheaded moves, but in the end a few years later look at where they are. POint is, we don't know what direction Cam was heading. He was not given a chance to complet his plan. I think there would have been some big changes under Cam after this one season, after he was able to see a full season of these guys.

But and I reiterate, when you land in a pile of slop that has rolled downhill for 10 years and picking up garbage along the way, it takes time to clean that garbage out and you can't do it in one year. So let's give the man a break and say, yes he made mistakes and he made moves that we DID NOT understand and give him the benefit of the doubt. After all he was a great OC at San Diego...and almost 100 percent of you were claiming him as the savior of this team a year ago, and now almost 100 percent are calling him devil...talk about bandwagon jumpers...first nicky, then cam, now Bill....bad as pats fans

I was not a saban fan, I reserved judgement on Cam to see how his plan unfolded, which has been cut short, so I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he had a direction and it would take a couple yaers...but I NEVER pinned all my hopes and dreams on either and neither will I with BP....I will wait and see, continue to be a fins fan and see what happens, but I am not going to condemn Cam, because the situation he came into was worse than a high school team mess, and in all fairness you can't judge a man in that type of mess after 1 year....1 year is not enough time to get rid of everyone you need to, contracts and so on prevent that.
I have been a fin fan since their inception, saw the perfect season and will die a fin fan, win lose or draw. I did not get all gooey eyed with Shula, I thought he was great, but realized that he would retire one day and that we had many subpar seasons under him, as tends to be the cycle in the NFL...One team cannot go win the SB every year...same as in NASCAR..pick your driver and stand by them thru thick and thin, cause he can't win all the races. The thing I do dislike about Shula was the way he treated Jake Scott when Scott tried to make up for what happened. Other than that Shula was good. Don't care much for Griese as he was a total jerk at the HOF in 2005 to a few fans standing there. Marino, was a snob at the autograph session I paid 400 dollars to get, These all were aholes at one time or another, but I am grateful for what they meant to the team as phins. So Cam is not perfect and we need to quit hanging our hats on this coach or that one, or this qb or that one...When we get another Marino and that is proven, hang your hat on him. Right now the only ones to hang our hats on are ZT and JT, so hang them there.

Oh and the coolest dolphan I ever met was Crash Jensen,, wonderful guy,and OJ Mcduffie.

 

YOU weren't talking about draft choices, BUT I was, I said he did a lot of positive things and in the draft as well. He made errors here and there as is typical for a human and I said many thought passing on Quinn was a BIG mistake, and have held that against him all year(biased), and it may have well been...but then again, without knowing the big picture of what direction he was going to build in it may not have.
I mentioned it to prove a poiont and I believe I am allowed to post it if I want.

 

This situation is very similar, Finfans were divided into whether we should keep or cut Daunte, and that he should have been given a shot, like Cameron.

 

Sounds like a bad joke. So a Samoan, a Mexican American and a Mormon walk onto a football field..............

You're right though. These guys are not the reason we're bad. Stupid reasoning

 

My point is that first we had a GM in Mueller who'se job was personnel/draft and secondly, Cameron is the Head Coach. The biggest thing he is being judged on is his coaching .... since that's what he is.... a coach. If Cam was a GM/coach like Wanny was then you may have a point but he wasn't.

 

Yeah but they dont work in vaccums. Mueller drafts who Cameron wanted either specifically or typewise. The media made it out that Beck was Cameron's choice and not Muellers. I would bet that so was Ginn

 

I agree with you coral totally on that, but if I am not mistaken, wasn't it cam who announced Ginn to the fans? I know Mueler was the GM but I am sure that any team with a GM asks for input form the coach so am sure that Cam had some say in Ginn., that was why I mentioned it, I felt sure that Cam had a hand in Ginn....he announced him and he knew his family. If I amwrong then my apologies on that.

I guess I am just saying that we need to wish Cam well and appreciate the positives he DID do for us and instead of throwing daggers at his back, move on and realize his 5 year plan never was able to get off the ground, so we have no real thing to judge him on except moves we thought were sickening but did not know the real reason nor direction he was going with them.

You know everyone thought he was the savior of the team a year ago...and now he is satan himself to those same folks. I appreciate the fact that he came in and at least tried to work with this 9 years of garbage, something a lot of other coaches prob would not have touched. He tried and that is a credit to him. So let's instead of condemning him, wish him well on his way and let it all go, it is past now.

You know if Parcells and his crony end up 1 and 15 next year everyone will be calling for their heads that are now glorifying Parcells, blind to the fact that it takes time, years to build a team.

The other thing with cam, you had a team that went from jj's system, to wanny's system, to nick's system and then to cam's....it is really hard to change a team with that many different systems in them. Heck It is no wonder Nick left...he saw the wasteland and said no thanks....I think it was that bad...and for Cam to come in and try that was to his credit.

 

We will never know now tho if Cam could have turned it around, so saying he was not the answer is simply untrue because we did not get to see his plan unfold.

If Bill gets it turned around eventually more power to him. I reserve all my love and fanship for the dolphins team, not the coaches. If the coaches get the team going good, then I am grateful to them but ain't gonna slobber all over them,becasue coaches come and go, i.e. nicky, scotty and so on, but the dolphins will always be there. so all my loyalty and love stays with them, not the coaches.

 

What is this some sort of sympathy vote? Come on give me a break guys.
Cam Cam had no idea how to lead any team. Let alone this team.
Now that he is gone, it seems everyone wants
to feel sorry for him.

His play calling and clock management were a joke from day one.

Remember the first game of 2007? We had more than a minute on the clock.
Good ole, cam cam just wasted it rather than trying to move the ball down the field for the win.
Instead he opted to gamble for OT. Which certainly didn't work out for us.
That's another one of those lost by 3 games. I think that was the Wash. game?

Ok, that is execusable in the first game. But in one of the final games, Cam Cam, like the great coach he is/was, near the end of the first half, he decides to have lemon spike the ball with more than a minute left on the clock on first down. Giving the "great" pats an option to score is absurd. Now i remember in a press conference Cam cam said, "It seemed like the right decision at the time? For who? You? Most of us fans watching were sitting saying , "what the heck" are you thinking DUDE!

I won't miss cam cam and his deer in headlight stare at the sideline. Only time he showed some emotion was when something positive happened and that was rare in this past season.

 

My sentiments exactly. Cameron.

 

I'm sorry but going from 6-10 to 1-15 is NOT moving in a positive direction, especially when he was the one who claimed that this was a playoff caliber team...

 

CK, what is so wrong with Bill hiring his own people? Is not personal, is only business.....Bill and Ireland are not familiar with Cam so they're bring their guys in and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, Cam is responsible for his team, the WHOLE team....was everything that happen Cam's fault? No...but to say that he was in charge of the offence only and Randy and Capers were in charge of the defence is wrong...if all Cam is gonna be responsible for is the offence then why make him the HC? The defence was bad as so were the special teams and Cam has the power to change thing up...do you think Shula ever thought that he was responsible for 1 unit but not the other 3? I've never heard a HC say that he's only gonna worry about 1 unit and he's got nothing to do with the other 2 so that point doesn't make any sense...in the end it is what it is....Bill wants people here who share his same philosophy and who can blame him for that?

p.s. I like Cam and think he's a good person, I'm a Christian and he is too and I wish him well...he's got no mopney problems tho and there'll be teams looking for an OC if he wants to work so he'll be fine.

Ozzy rules!!

 

I agree with this post. I am a bit weary of the excitement that builds simply because a big name arrives. We've seen it with Jimmy Johnson, Saban and now Parcells.

I'm sure that if Parcells has the longevity, we'll be successful, but Cameron was not given much room at all.

 

I wonder if people were whining about fairness last year when Cam completely bungled and hung out to dry Culpepper because he wanted to bring in *his* QB.

Ethan Sklonick put it best:

"Bill Parcells has a right to hire the executive, and coach, who make him feel most comfortable.

That compatibility and harmony will give the Dolphins the best chance for success."

The NFL isn't a fair business. Deal with it.

 

Very well articulated and thought out post. I really enjoyed reading it. Same with most of the rest of you guys...

What i generally disagree with, is how many people seem to be already jumping down parcell's throat, and defending a guy we really only have had a miserable one year relationship with. Wayne is not much of a football man, we have seen this time and time again since the mid 90's. And this front office...wow....with each desicion in the last few seasons i have done nothing but blame them. Not the qb at the time, not the coach (for the most part) but the front office. A few desicions really left me scratching my head, and im sure everyone can relate to that.

Our team went 1-15 fellas...1-15....FINALLY we are getting somone who is a football "GURU" as somone else posted...weather you like him or agree with his personel selections is irrelevent...we are at rock bottom so why not clean house upstairs?? why not let the guy try helping? Parcells didnt fire cam because he disliked him or had doubts about his ability, he fired him so he could put people that he trusts and knows can help carry out his masterplan in place. It can only get one game worse than this year so we might as well enjoy the ride and be as optomistic as possible about any change, especially front office changes.

 

Well said. I’m all there. I’m old school and I have a loyalty streak in me. So now I will be loyal to the new regime. It is not easy to be loyal one day and totally turn it off as fast as events have unfolded here. I wish all the guys who lost their jobs the best. I know the big boys like Cam will get fat paychecks for another year, but there are some others that might have to relocate and get a job. I feel for those that worked really hard and are victims of the house cleaning. That’s life in the big city, I guess. Welcome to all new Dolphins coaches, assistants and all the new gang.

 

I never said we went in a positive direction. I said he did some positive THINGS, I.E. helped make some decent draft picks for once, please read all the posts about this that I posted before you make a snap judgement that is wrong. As far as direction, all I said was that he started us in the direction that he envisioned, I did not say it was good or bad or positive or negative, You put those words in my mouht. What I said was he had us moving in the direction he thought would be best and we will not know now what that direction is or was now without him here OR if it was positive or negative, BUT he did some POSITIVE things for the team.

As for his claiim, he was mistaken, just like a lot of other nfl people that say that "we will win this one" or whatever and don't...I remember a lot of people here swearing we would be PO contenders with the hiring of Cam.

My whole point is he did a few good things for us, he made some mistakes(first year HC errors or whatever they were), and whatever his vision was for the next 5 years we will never know if it was good or bad so we can't judge him. I feel confident he came in with a vision and big picture and that vision would unfold over time, i.e. 5 years, NOT 1. The moves he made, i.e. chambers and so on, I may not agree with, BUT, and I repeat, BUT, we don't know what he had in mind at that time, whether it was a move to work toward that big picture or if it was an out and out error...to you it was a boneheaded move, but you don't know the whys and wherefores of the deciisions....all you folks see is the here and now, if we aren't winning RIGHT NOW, then cut the guy's head off.

Yeah from 4-10 to 1-15 and what was it that year before 4-10???? We have gone downhill ever since the wanny era, so you can't lay that crap at Cam's door. What he had 80 percent of it was left him by the idiot coaches before him. He walked in on a manure pile and made the best he could of it, and still tried to start moving toward a future plan best he could.
And I got news for you...we were destined for 1-15 or even 0-16 BEFORE Cam ever got here..So don't blame him, blame the goofballs that coached before him and wasted our draft picks and quit on us and had no idea what they were doing.
To me, Cam's biggest error was keeping Mularkey...but we will never know but Mularkey may have been history after this season if Cam had stayed..but he is gone either way now.

we just don't know what Cam's plan was so don't bash him for a piece of garbage he inherited. If you don't think we were headed for an 0-16 season or 1-15 season this year then you must not have been watching the phins.

You were all hot on his side to start with because you expected wins now...well, anyone that knows or has followed football for any length of time knows that is a fantasy. To be winners, you have to have some lean years and build to it, Dallas did it, Denver did it, the Pats did it and so on. It is time to swallow our pride and accept the fact that we are a terrible team right now and have been for 3 or 4 years, and gotten worse in that time and admit that we need to rebuild from the ground up, and it may take 5 years to restore us to full glory and if you can't be patient and wait for that instead of stabbing every coach along the way in the back then go root for the Pats...this is not an overnite miracle thing!!!!!
Cam made mistakes, he did some good things, He had a vision and was trying to implement it, was it a good vision? NONE of us know or will know now, we are too impatient looking for that win right now, to be patient and let things unfold and build a lasting GREAT team, selfishly. Cam could not clean house of all the players, first he would have none to play, second there were contract issues and things that had to be honored. Either we trust our coach or we need to find another team to root for. Cam was bashed for losing the first game, the 2nd and so on, so not only had he to deal with the crap wanny and co. left him but had to deal with selfish fans who wanted a win NOW.

We can't say he was a flop, because we did not know what his vision for the future was, if it was good or bad, but I guaranteed you that good or bad it would have required getting rid of some fan favorites at one poin or another, and that may have been why Chambers was let go.

I remember hearing everyone cry and bellyache about how terrible Madison was, and now the last couple years those same have been hollering for him to come back. Make up your minds will you? WIshy washy like pats fans...either stick with the phins thru thick and thin as many of us do, respect and be loyal to the team and the coaches and accept they will make mistakes and they will also do things that you may despise, but trust that hopefully it is for the good of the team.

 

I agree totally...new chief, new team...no probs there with me.

All I am saying is no need to bash Cam becasuse theis bungling team has been 9 years in the making before he got here and he supposedly had a plan, a vision that would take a few years to make it work and was not given the chance. So all I am saying is let's not bash Cam, he got into a raw deal and did what he felt was best. So let's wish him well and move on and quit blaming and curssing him...you wanna blame anyone blame nick wanny and jj that's where it started.

Bill comes in and has the right to put who he wants in I totally agree and really doesn't bother me either way as my loyalty lies with the dolphins team win lose or tie. If Bill makes us better I thank him, if not I will wish him well on his way like Cam.

But just tired of all this negativiity and bashing of Cam who really got into a situation not of his own making.

 

Again, why do people here keep on saying that we should not blame Cam? Cam wasn't fired because we went 1-15...at least that wasn't the main reason....he was let go so that Bill and Ireland could bring in a guy they know better, trust and share the same kind of philosophy.......that guy was not Cam and that's why he's gone....everyone can stop defending him now....this wasn't a personal thing from Bill or Jeff....it was a business decision with the best interest of our team in mind....are we gonna win a superbowl because they'll bring their guy to be the HC? Nobody knows that at this point but they both felt that Cam wasn't the person they wanted to work with and they let him go now instead of dragging things out, same with Muller...now they can get on with another team and so can all the assistant coaches.....we're moving on with football people running the team now and I'm happy about that.

Ozzy rules!!

 

Please stop the lemming procession of weeping for Cam. This team was NEVER this bad and somebody had to pay for what happened.

Cam took a bad situation and made it far worse. I can't stand the mamby pamby "he didn't get a fair shot" nonsense. Did Miami's specials and defense wither in a vacuum or was some horrible coaching involved?

 

No snap judgements here, see my post and notice that I quoted you and bolded your statement regarding going in a positive direction...Going 1-15 isn't going in a positive direction regardless of what kind of spin you want to put on it. He's gone, and deservedly so.

 

I stand corrected, and what I meant by that was I felt he was going in a positive direction at the draft, some good draft picks, and that was more positive than Nick or wanny took us. He was trying to make something out of the nothing he had left and trying to do that was a positive thing.
wanny and nick tore us down. The 1-15 is the result of previous coaches, as we have gone downhill every year since JJ, so can't blame it on Cam, he inherited a 1-15 team.....I don't care who the HC was this year, Bill Cowher or whoever we were doomed for a horrible season.
And no one wants to admit that.

Cam started in a positive way/direction with the draft and for all we know a positive direction for the long run. But again no way this 1-15 falls on Cams shoulders but maybe a little bit...most of it is on those who came before.

 

Hi Fin, How's it going for you? Miss talking to you guys.

 

Actually Camarillo is one of the main reasons we are 1-15...and not 0-16. :-P


Sorry...Just couldn't resist.

 

What did ESPN say?

 

Its amazing how many lament the firing of a coach that led us to a 1-15 record while ranking 26th in points and 28th in yards as a supposed offensive guru. Cameron put his fingerprints all over this team and brought in his own people such as Trent Green much like Parcells is doing. Cameron got just more evaluation than Culpepper did from our former coach. All I saw from Cameron was a coach that coached a not very good team and made them a worse team. I say big deal and good riddance, If Parcells is to try to turn this team around he needs to get people that he has confidence in to run his team. When we hired Cameron I was more than willing to give the guy a chance but almost every prediction about his decisions came true. I was very critical of trading a draft pick for Green and now we are in worse shape at Qb to a degree because we once again have to look for a veteran Qb just in case Beck is not ready. When Beck came in he seemed no more ready than any other rookie Qb and thats supposedly the reason we brought Green in to get him more ready. Cam alienated fans from the beginning with his idotic speeches about Ginn family and as the season wore on seemed to be losing control of the team. We are at a bottom point in dolphin history and yes its time to take out the garbage and bring a winner back to Miami. Parcells was smart for not waiting another year to make a decision he wanted to make. I truly think Huzienga wanted Cameron gone after this horrid year so he brought in the hammer to do the job he could not do. I truly hope Parcells gets the job done.

 

OL Coach Hudson Houck might disagree

"I thought (Cameron) was pretty well-prepared. Our meetings were no different than some of the Super Bowl teams I've been on," he said. "The only difference was the type of players we had. The other places I've been, we just had better players."

 

I dont disagree we need better players but really Cameron made the roster no stronger than it was before him. Houck is not going to throw Cameron under the bus, thats not Houck's style. Not sure he is disputing anything I said.