boy i'am sure excited about our starting O in 2008

wheres that quote from Parcells that said "IT WAS A MISTAKE TO GET RID OF THOSE TWO GUYS FOR ESSENTIALLY TWO THIRD ROUND PICKS."???

 

Exactly.

We traded our third receiver for a starting center, who played very well. Chambers was a waste and we got a second round pick that can be used for a good player.

Those were good Mueller moves.

 

how are they essentially 2 3rds exactly?

 

Essentially two 3rd round picks??????/.......ahhh, not essentially anything, rather its EXACTLY 2 second round picks and a 7th round pick.

Satele & A. Wright for Welker (2007)
2nd round currently in 2008 for Chambers.

Lets let reality shake out and quick making things up to fit your fantasy world. Deal in facts!

 

Welker was hard to see go but we would never have been able to realize his full skill set with our oline and qb. Chambers was not really the franchise player some though he was, not a game changer like a Jason Taylor.

These were good moves IMO.

 

seriously... funny how people have heart attacks about what coulda been

 

Oh boy, here we go again. Defending the little guy who was a third receiver on this team and is still a third receiver in New England behind Stallworth.

Let's forget about our 7th. A second round pick for Welker was an absolute steal. He was an unknown before he got to the Patriots, the media hyped him up because he became a player in New England.

You don't build around those type of players. He's like a running back, a luxury.

For a starting franchise center that will anchor our offensive line for the next 8+ seasons, the second round pick for Welker was a steal.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT NEW ENGLAND OFFERED WELKER A RIDICULOUS CONTRACT THAT WE WOULD NOT MATCH.

If you're a powerhouse like the Patriots and you can overpay for a player like Welker, then they should go ahead and do so. But when you are a team like the Dolphins, you can not give contracts like that to players like him [see McMichael]. We have much more pressing needs on our offensive line and everywhere else to invest on before we overpay for a third receiver.

 

And not to mention the most important thing that these people seem not to understand...

welker in NE =/= (and not even close) welker in miami

 

THANK YOU for stating what everyone seems to forget.

Welker was a restricted free agent and pats offered him like 25 million dollars. instead of not matching and taking a 3rd we took a 2nd and 7th and traded him to the pats who signed him to a lower contract than the offer. I may be wrong about the third and it may have been a second.

 

Wes Welker is a good, fiesty football player. But he is the beneficiary of a very good cast around him. When you have WRs like Randy Moss and Stallworth accupying DBs, it's pretty easy to get open on crossing routes and hitches from the slot. Welker, in any other offense but the Patriots (except ours), might have caught 40-50 passes. Welker is a great 3rd receiver to have and makes some plays after the catch. But as a 1 or even a #2 receiver on an average (or worse) team, he would by no stretch of the imagination be a big difference maker.

 

I agree. We got good value for each player. People can complain all you want about Welker but if he was signed rather than traded, the Pats were going to put that poison pill in the contract. Trading him got an additional late pick and prevented the poison pill clause. It was a good deal for both teams. Welker was just set up for success in New England that he would never have as a Dolphin.
Getting a 2nd for Chambers was great value. He was an inconsistant and will be 30 this year. Draft picks, high one at that have tremendous value. We used the one from the Welker trade and got a great young center who will anchor the line for many many years. We have a chance to do the same thing for another position now.

 

Chambers became stagnant. Lets see who we get first with the pick we got for him before anybody can judge. Chambers wasnt the real deal.
Regarding Welker....hmmmmm. Tough to not doubt it when the little guy just tied the season high for catches in a season. Im sure the Patsies will be happy which means im not but we didnt lose out totally. Like Smoke just posted..Welker wouldnt have had those numbers at Miami but then again with our Offense the way it ended who would?

 

where did you get the 2 3rd's from?

 

You forgot to mention the part where Beck drops back to pass and turns around to see a LB in his face. Not to mention the next play where Beck drops back for a deep one to Chambers only to see him not being able to get open against the opposing teams worst defensive back and Welker isn't open either because no one fears Chambers so they just double Welker who can't handle doubles at all (he subsequently searches for Booker, but with whichever rehashed player we slotted in there at C fails to hold his rusher and he is then sacked). Oh and lets not forget, 3rd and 20, Beck to Chambers for the TD! OH wait, he dropped the ball. Well not like we would want our highest paid offensive player (getting almost as much as guys like TO) to be reliable.

 

And Beck goes back to pass to the awesome Chambers and Welker !!!!!! And gets sacked again! Ronnie takes the ball right up the middle for a gain of !!!! -1 yard!! Because we still have sweaty hands Seth at center!!

I am SO dissapointed we dont have an overacheiving slot reciever and an underchieving #1, both of whom would have been overpaid, instead of a guy who will anchor our OL for the next decade (He can grow with Beck/Ronnie/LOBOOK zomg!!) and another second rounder this year. SO dissapointed. Crocodile tears.

 

Do you just make up things?

Wes was a RESTRICTED free agent, NE offered him a contract well beyond the realm of his value to Miami. We couldnt match it, so instead of simply receiving the RESTRICTED pick value back, we made a TRADE to improve the value we would have received, and thereby NE was able to trade and re-negotiate the existing contract and extend it at better terms than the RFA offer.

Miami did exactly what you should do with RFA's, maximize the value back when a contract is offered that exceeds what LOGIC states is proper worth.

 

Why not accurately call them late 2nds, but they are not 3rds.

Flawed reality puts people in rooms with rubber walls.

 

A 2nd is a 2nd. Chambers was a midround pick originally so even if we get a late 2nd for him, we didnt lose much if anything

im not faulting him for that. Im faulting him for dropping passes that hit him right in the numbers on a regular basis and not defending INT's for crap

And clapping everytime he dropped the freakin ball

 

BDH you're talking too much logic here it won't be appreciated!

I loved Wes, but good Lord ther Pats pulled the money truck up to his window.

 

who? ESPN, Armondo, emmitt smith, trey wingo, jamie dukes, sean salisbury?..lol..they are hardly credible

 

When did "voices in ones head" start to be referred to as credible?

I kid because I care. Seriously, trading Wes for a late 2nd and late 7th. and trading CC for late 2nd do more for this franchise than retaining them. Thats what a good franchise does when presented the option.

 

I'll tell you one thing a gm doesn't do....is throw the salary cap out the window for your #3 wide receiver. And this is coming from a BIG Welker fan. I actually felt the Mueller didn't handle the team badly at all. The majority of the mistakes we are dealing with is residual from the Wanny/Spielman era. Kind of like when a president takes over and gets blamed/applauded for the economy the previous president created.

New England forced our hand on Welker, and to be honest overpaid.

 

I bet those credible sources were not laughing at the time of the deal. I would like to see an article with someone saying what a bone head move trading Welker was at the time he was traded?

A 2nd round pick for a guy who scored 1 TD in 3 years? Sign me up!

 

No-one saw what was coming with the way Welker has performed this season at NE.

 

Just how does an ex-QB and color commenator, and an ex-HC (HoF or not) equate to credible sources on what a GM in todays game should or should not do at a given point in time based on what they are trying to accomplish for the future good of the franchise?

 

I actually remember them saying something, cant remember exctly what it was though but I dont remember them laughing in our faces. Oh well. I liked the move. We got a second for a waiver wire player and replaced him with a franchise center. Great move IMO...Chambers, he stopped producing after about week 4 or 5

 

I really think Finheaven needs to change its name to that. I'm so tired of people thinking we just traded Wes cause we didn't want him anymore or thought we would be better off drafting someone. The trade of Wes was a great move by the now unemployed Randy Mueller.

 

Mad Dog is always raving about how it was a mistake, then someone called and told about the contract. Mad Dog replies, "I know, but we should have tendered him more money so we can get a 1st and 3rd back"......

Some people are just angry and don't want to admit that what they want wasn't realistic. Imagine the uproar if Welker was tendered that much money? "Oh those idiots! Wasting money on mediocre players..."

 

first off we would have lost Welker to the pats anyway... the Pats offered him a contract with a poison pill that we couldn't match... he was theres for the 2nd no matter what...

they decided to be civil and instead of using the poison pill, added a 7th and called it a trade...

sorry if someone else said this i didn't read the whole thread... but Welker was going to the pats regardless...

 

noone, and i mean noone would have given us a 1st and a 3rd. Bellicheat would have just told us to keep him, thats for sure!

 

Totaly agree with those who feel we got a nice deal for Welker, specially when we couldn't afford him so in a way we got Satele plus Wright for a guy that we couldn't have anyway.....we're getting a 2nd round pick for CC who had ONE great season and a few that were up and down.

Ozzy rules!!

 

i think it was a mistake to get rid of them to

 

we couldv'e sent greg camarillo to the pats and he wouldv'e had the same production, welker isn't the receiver that he is in New England because based on their system any slot reciever can tear apart a defense.