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Source: Dolphins want Ryan as DC

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Nublar7, Jan 4, 2008.

  1. Bonedoc7777

    Bonedoc7777 New Member

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    always nice to have a ryan around, we need more coaches that are alittle unstable, it helps to motivate the players
     
  2. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    You misunderstood my point. My point is that Ryan is a hot coordinator who will likely end up as a head coach of a team sooner rather than later. If we pick him up as a DC it will likely only be for 1 season, and then we have to start all over again.
    This is similar to when Saban brought in Linehan and he left after 1 year, and then we brought in Mularkey, and we all know how THAT turned out.

    Id prefer a guy like Knowles who might be a coordinator with us for 4-5 years at least rather than a hot name (again) who will just leave after one year with us.
     
  3. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We got Ireland now and still have all our scouts, like Chris Grier, they can handle scouting the Senior Bowl.
     
  4. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Ryan runs a 3-4, or has recently in Baltimore. Their SB team which ran a 4-3, was before Ryan was the DC.
     
  5. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I'm sure he can run all three. Good coaches aren't limited in what they can coach. He probably has his preference though, but for the most part I think Ryan tries to adjust his scheme to fit the personnel he has on hand.
     
  6. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Dorsey can play any DL position in a 4-3 or 3-4, he can two gap or one gap, although his skills are better suited to a 1 gap. He's strong enough to be a 2 gap NT though if someone wanted that, but it wouldn't best utilize his many talents.

    Long could play inside or outside in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4 at his current weight and some think OLB in a 3-4 if he slimmed down a bit. Maybe he could be our version of Mike Vrabel if he played at about 260 like Vrabel does.
     
  7. zodiak

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    Seems odd that the fins have a DC in mind "before!" having a HC in place makes one wonder how truthful Parcells was about the GM running the team.

    As for Ryan I'd be for that he has proven he can coach and his schemes are very diverse
    he actually runs a D close to Sabans in that its kind of a hybrid defense.

    I could see this being a move in some ways (small I admitt) to peese JT as he could again be back in D where he can roam, unless Parcells proclomation he "wants" Taylor is just a way to drive the price up for any team interested in trading for JT.
     
  8. padre31

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    True, here's the thing about Chris Long:

    He may have maxed out already and hit his ceiling, what you see is what you may get. That is the downside of drafting him.

    I think Dorsey has some room for growth, being a larger man, he can learn new techniques etc. but it would seem doubtful that we would see some massive increase in speed or power from him IMO.

    Now Gholston, the way he is used at OSU, he is only scratching the surface of what he can be as a pass rusher and OLB and against th run.

    Which begs the question:

    Who would be the better player in the NFL? Not who was the better player in college.
     
  9. Betters75

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    Is Mularkey gone?
    Who is our OC??
    Looks like Saprono is our new HC.
    Ryan our next DC.

    WOW! Lots of new coaches before the Senior Bowl
     
  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Yes, he's gone.

    Unknown right now.

    Could be.

    We may not be coaching in the Senior Bowl, I think we declined the offer from them.
     
  11. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    All right....Betters.....I have broken down....

    I have to ask it....what kind of food is your avatar? Is it some kind of ethnic dish...because for some reason every time I see it...I spend more time trying to find out what it is...and it always makes me hungry...

    LOL :)
     
  12. Betters75

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    Thanks 4 the info Padre, I hope all these changes get us in the right direction!

    One last question? Do you think Parcells will bring Flipper back into the endzone this year? Was our luckey charm during the glory years.
     
  13. Betters75

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    Two burgers, mac salad and potatos covered with chili.
    Best eatin after hang'in with Rickey! LOL:thumbup:
     
  14. NorFlaFin

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    That's the million dollar question..
     
  15. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    If they truly want Sparano, they have to go it this way, since there's a legitimate chance Tony may not be available until after the Super Bowl. They need to have some pieces in place by then with the Senior Bowl coming up.
     
  16. Im not a racist, the rooney rule however is racist. Why is one ethnic minority being singled out. Why dont we force NFL owners to interview all ethniticities for all postions and have it all very neatly poportioned to correct ratio's of residents we have in the country. Lets check the statistics on waterboys and make sure there is an appropiate number of each race representining across the leauge. It's pretty ridicilous, this is the NFL not the NAACP. The NFL bases it's bias's on wins and losses nothing more. It's a game based on numbers and stats not skin colors and gentic roots. The best of the best make it in this league, theres no room for racism here.

    If that is whats going on and sparono is the guy we want and the other guy is only getting a complimentry interview for the sake of appiezing a rule that makes the rule useless and counterproductive to good football. Everyone of all races should feel insulted by it.
     
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  17. Disgustipate

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    I dont think either one is really harder than the other, really. It's really a matter that goes deeper than that to a coaches personnel preference, and the defensive scheme at a level further than just 3-4 or 4-3. Wade Phillips runs a 3-4 a year after Parcells did in the same place, but the NTs Phillips is using, Parcells would probabaly never use.

    As for the roster, it's bad enough to where it doesnt really matter what defense they go with. It's equally unsuited to either, ATM.
     
  18. sleek

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    The Ravens defense has been consistantly solid for a number of years I don't think I would mind having the DC who created that as our DC.
     
  19. PhinFantic

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    1. I SECOND that notion ! I've always agreed that why should only a certain ethnic minority be interviewed, after all the league is made of of countless minorities and different religions. I am Cuban born and raised here most of my life and have never thought that one particular minority group should have priority over another. If you can coach, you win the job no matter what ethnic color or background you're from.

    2. I hope we can get Rex Ryan as DC.
     
  20. gunn34

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    :thumbup:

    Well said!!
     
  21. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    Again I have to ask if getting Rex Ryan for one year before he becomes a head coach is better than getting a guy who will be here for a good number of years.
    Shades of the Linehan situation all over again. Consistency? Whats that?
     
  22. ChambersWI

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    remember though,Linehan wasn't even considered a HC canidate until our offense exploded. If Ryan hasn't been given a HC job yet, he might not for awhile
     
  23. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    He was a very successful coordinator in Minnesota, and when he was brought in I dont remember people thinking that we got an OC who would wear a Phins polo for more than 2 years at most .... as it turned out it was even less.

    Ryan may very well not get offered a HC job for 2-3 years, but chances are, with the success hes had, and the high turnover rate of coaches today, that he will be a coach in 1-2.

    Do we want more part timers?
     
  24. PhinishLine

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    Because the NFL is a predominately black league which has notoriously not given minorities a chance to compete for certain jobs, despite there being evidence that black coaches can succeed.

    Now, seeing that a team can hire whomever they wish, what harm does it do to wait a week while minority candidates are interviewed and then pick whomever you want to. The answer is, "none." So instead of getting upset over a rule that doesn't affect your desired outcome in the end, just wait the extra week and get over it.

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  25. AggieFin21

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    the same can be applied to any coach in the league really. of course track record and experience counts but look at a guy like Mike Tomlin. I guess my point being that if a guy like Bowles is brought in and our D explodes into top 5 form again, he'll be getting HC calls in 2-3 years as well.

    It all comes down to production. Every team wants a guy that will come in and instantly turn their D around and keep it that way for years. But as soon as that happens, the HC talk starts. Just something you gotta live with in the NFL.
     
  26. New Era

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    If we bring in a nobody and he turns the D or O into a great team....then he too will be gone within 2 seasons. The point is that if they do their job, they deserve a chance at becoming a HC in the BEST DAMN LEAGUE IN THE WORLD.

    I would rather have a HC for 5+ years than to have a OC or DC for the same amount of years. They can be replaced and still run their systems if the HC wants to hire a guy to do it. But if the HC leaves then a new style of play will come in.

    The key is the HC and then the OC & DC...Let's just hope our new HC does a great job and stays 5+ years. Look at NE they have lost many OC & DC and still seem to keep on slugging. Yeah they have talent and a great HC. But if they lost their HC instead of their OC & DC...Do you think they would be were they are today? I do not...
     
  27. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    That in the end is the best way to view it while the rule is still in existence. :thumbup:
     
  28. With all due respect friend, your argument is flawed. I can errounously turn the tables on you and say the reason the players are perdominantly black is because the nfl does not fairly give other ethinticities a chance in the leauge when they are just as capable of competing. The fact is regardless of the ethnic ratio the best of the best make the cut and the rest dont. Lets create a larry bird rule for running backs and a juan lopez rule for qb's and a yoshi chang rule for lineman. See how you feel when your team goes 1-15 not because of bad decissions but because of political correctness. Waiting an extra week has nothing to do with it, especially considering they are gonna hire whoever they wanted to in the first place. That in its self makes the rule inept. Why bother to pretend someone has a legitamate opprotunity if he really dosnt. What benefit does it serve to hold up the progress of a team, other then to provide one group with an arbitrary false sense of justified bias to vindicate a past injust mentality. You say "get over it" , I say "get me wins"
     
  29. burghphinfan

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    so has Capers been officially let go or is he still hanging around for the moment????? just wondering, I haven't seen a report that he's gone among the Ryan talk.
     
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  30. Fin Fan In Cali

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    He is gone bro. I read that he is looking for a head coach gig now.
     
  31. like2god

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    I believe he is officially gone, we only retained 2 coaches from Cam's staff and Capers wasn't one of them.
     
  32. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    The Rooney rules is about the INTERVIEW process only. Its not about the HIRING process. And its clearly not about Wins!

    Does it have flaws? Sure if you believe the INTERVIEW Process is anything more than that. A process that gives those that had been previously blocked from interviewing a chance to INTERVIEW. Nothing more, nothing less. Why does it need to be more than that? Why isnt that good enough, since indirectly that means that it can influence and equate to a change in the HIRING process in the long run. But for now, its the INTERVIEW process. I cant oppose that basic use of logic.

    So, why were they previously interviews blocked? Well history shows, that owners didnt know them (ironically, akin to Parcells only wanting guys he knows) and often refused to meet and get to know them. So Rooney felt this should change, at least interview and get to know them. Help the longevity of the league by helping those that need a starting point to breech the once forbidden threshold. Is it a rule for Blacks specifically or all minorities? Who cares. Its like the old adage, if it helps even 1 black or 1 minority then by-golly thats good enough for us. So be it.

    Should it do more? Should it specify who gets to interview? How you interview? When you interview? Or should it even be a rule? Well the NFL and its current Owners say yes. To them it seems to serve a purpose over the INTERVIEW process, and obviously for all the so-called blatant hyposcrisy and uselessness over it, they still vote for it. Its clearly not a Hiring quota rule. Its only an INTERVIEW rule and those that are being served by it, and those that fight for those being served by it, believe it is still a valid rule.

    If the rule went away tomorrow, I wouldnt lose sleep over it, and if it suddently became more forceful or with a stricter agenda than I think you would see more Owners vote against it. But for now, its seems to have the proper value, benefit, and effect to appease all parties. I call that a proper rule.
     
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  33. Predaphin

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    I really want to give Rex Ryan a shot. The guy does some very sexy things with the defense. He's known to drop lineman into coverage and confuse the heck out of offenses....the only concern is his 4-6 formation.....I really don;t like that formation and he uses it sometimes.
     

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