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Michael Vick May Return

Discussion in 'Other NFL' started by anlgp, Nov 14, 2008.

  1. anlgp

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  2. fins4o8

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    NFLTA was talking about this and saying some team will give him a chance after he gets out of Levensworth or whatever joint he is currently locked up at. Pro sports sickens me in giving talented players many chances after doing hideous crimes.
     
  3. Vengeful Odin

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    If and when Vick returns, he may be suspended for additional time from the NFL. It's also key to note that he will be close to 30, and will have been away from the game for 2 years. For a guy that was raw as a passer to begin with, those just may be the death knell for his career. There will be a team that is desperate and gambles on him though, that I agree with.

    I just think Vick's star has come and gone in the NFL. Too bad too, guy had all the talent in the world and he squandered it away. Where have all the heroes gone?
     
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  4. opfinistic

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  5. alen1

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    I think that's the key. Their hasn't been any significant action taken by the league yet so when he comes back, he could still face a suspension such as a year away from the game or forever. He's suspended indefinitely right now but their hasn't been a timetable for his return. The thing with Vick is that I don't see him as a Quarterback coming back. As you said, he was a very raw passer and him being out of the game for a couple years didn't help that. He always had the legs (obviously) and i think he could come back as a Running Back. I'm thinking he's ballooned up in prison as I heard he has been working out over there (hitting the weights, playing basketball, etc.). He could come back bigger than his listed playing weight (215) and with the 4.33 speed, I don't think he'll lose much speed with the gained weight. He wouldn't be small at 6'0", 225 and would have the ridiculous 4.4 speed (assuming he's slowed down from his previous forty time). He could become a slash player as well. Of course, to do all this, he would have to return which would be difficult.
     
  6. Conuficus

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    Listen Mike they don't pay Popcorn vendors like they do QB's, unless of course you're planning to come back as a wide receiver after all of your uh hum "practice" in the joint.

    Sorry, couldn't resist that shot at the idiot who threw away a 100 million contract to play football so he could fight dogs. Yeah good idea on how to diversify an earnings portfolio.
     
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  7. pennphinfan

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    maybe he and marcus can take over coaching a prison football team.

    or maybe they can become browns fans and become leaders of the dog pound...
     
  8. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Theres a thought that will keep Raiders fans awake at night.
     
  9. Conuficus

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    You're probably so dead on it is scary. God above, please don't do this to the Raider fans as they have enough on their plate already.
     
  10. alen1

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    I agree that Vick could be a Raider. I believe they have shown interest in him, as far as saying they would be interested in bringing him to Oakland once he is reinstated. I feel bad for Raiders fans but they're loyal or at least the ones I know. They're a loyal bunch that I think will forever love that team, regardless of the W-L records.
     
  11. cnc66

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    PETA will go berserk.. part of me says he has paid his debt, another looks forward to the reaction of him being on a team again.
     
  12. jdang307

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    What I think he did was hideous but I believe what Ray Lewis was involved in was 1,000,000 times worse I'm sorry.
     
  13. azfinfanmang

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    To some extent I agree, the end result of Lewis was a dead person, however, he was only guilty by association whereas Mike Vick was the ringleader.

    Also, Whats the difference between what Ray Lewis was involved in and what Scatman Jones was involved in?....the difference is one man is dead, the other is a quadrapalegic..... :pity:
     
  14. GISH

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    Holmgren out.

    Mora Jr. in.

    Welcome to Seattle Vick!!!!!
     
  15. dolphans1

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    Vick received an "unfair" penalty that I believe was excessive and unjust.

    I do not condone what he did, but to me, that punishment was too severe....

    He lost everything....

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  16. opfinistic

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    :pity:

    And how do you justify your opinion regarding his punishment and what he did?
     
  17. FinsPensFan

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    He deserved to lose everything.
     
  18. Crappy Tipper

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    He had to know the risk to his career by choosing to do those things. That makes it infinitely more idiotic that he knowingly risked everything for an illegal venture. He got 100% of what he deserved.
     
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    If Joe shomo commited something like this, 1) we would not even hear about it, 2) he/she would have received probation and paid a reasonable fine.

    I understand that politics and the league's reputation plays a huge role into the harsh punishment Vick received, but this guy lost millions of dollars and his life was destroyed.

    Now again, I do not agree with what he did.

    But his punishment, in my opinion was unjust and unfair.....

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  20. Crappy Tipper

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    The average Joe also isn't risking 100 million plus on an illegal venture.
    The reason you don't hear about the average guy is because they are typically just nobodies that don't have a pot to piss in and quietly get sent to jail.


    My opinion is that his *** shouldn't have been fighting those dogs - then there is no issue.

    Don't blame the people who gave the punishment - blame the guy that stuck his own head on the chopping block.

    It's his own damn fault for everything that happened to him. Nobody made him do it, lord knows he wasn't scrapping to put food money on the table.

    Or to put it another way "You don't start s**t there won't be no s**t".

    He started s**t.
     
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  21. FinsPensFan

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    Well put, Hero.
     
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  22. GISH

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    thats what happens when you get busted as the ringleader of a interstate criminal organization. sorry, he got what he deserved.
     
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    I respect your opinion, but he made a terrible mistake. I never said he shouldn't have received any punishment, I am saying his punishment was too severe and unjust.

    In other words, the punishment should fit the crime. In this case, I felt the punishment did not fit the crime...

    The law has to show some compassion. Yes he made a terrible mistake, but should not lose his life over it.....

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  24. Crappy Tipper

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    I don't want to keep beating a dead horse and I respect your opinion as well and you're fully entitled to it - but again he cost himself his own life - nobody did it for him.
     
  25. opfinistic

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    I think if you are a public figure, one that is admired by many people and revered my many kids, you have a duty to the general public to live a decent honest life. Everything about a public figure is inflated, their paychecks, their egos, their reputations, shouldn't an inflated punishment follow suit?

    I think he should be required to host a show on Animal Planet for 5 years as probation, call it "Mike Vick Gets Attacked By Pitbulls." I'd Tivo that ****.
     
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  26. Crappy Tipper

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    dude you made me snort.
     
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  28. dolphans1

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    Yes, if it were universally applied.

    Like these CEO's that legally steal money and write items off while the tax payers have to bail them out.

    Belichick should have been suspended for several games for admittingly cheating.

    The NFL should have been fined for destroying evidence and so on.

    I followed the Vick case very closely and you may be aware or not, that the police officer who blew the lid wide open in Vick's case, went above his bosses head and contacted the FBI, and then FBI took over the investigation and it became the circus that we have all become to know.

    For the record, that Officer was fired.....

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  29. anlgp

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    not only should he get jail time and be suspended from the NFL he should have to do some kind of service to help dogs. he got off light if you ask me.

    dogs = awesome.
     
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  30. Crappy Tipper

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    That officer did the right thing when his bosses were too starstruck to prosecute the local celebrity.
     
  31. opfinistic

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    You're barking up the wrong tree with me. And when an incident crosses state lines Barney Fife needs a little help.
     
  32. GISH

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    Vick's life isn't over. In fact, he still has a chance to play in the NFL again. He didn't lose anything he deserved to have. His lack of morals, and complete disrespect for the law finally caught up with him. Quit trying to make him out to be a victim. The dogs were the victims, not the millionaire thug who thinks its cool to torture and execute animals. **** Vick, IMO, he doesn't deserve his freedom. 2 years is childs play.
     
  33. dolphans1

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    I do not think a "conviction" is "child play", and are you saying his punishment should have been more severe....?

    If so, can you elaborate what sort of punishment he should have received?

    I am in no way shape or form trying to make him a "victim".

    I am just stating I felt his punishment did not fit the crime and the fact that if anyone else commited this act, they would not have suffered the degree of scrutiny or punishment that Vick had to endure.

    Again, I do not agree with what he did.

    There are countries that still have bull-fighting today, and we all know the outcome of that sad event, yet some feel that is the culture and tradition of that country. What does this say of those people of that mind-set...?

    Or what about people who sit in a tree, waiting to fire out a shot at a poor innocent animal with brown eyes....?

    All I am saying is, that the punishment did not fit the crime and it seems that our society has this infatuation of watching famous people's lives being destroyed as entertainment value.

    Yes Vick did something stupid, yes he used bad judgement, but he is only human and sometimes humans make stupid mistakes. At least he took responsibility for it and paid his life for it.

    The legal system is designed to rehabilitate people back to society,

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  34. dolphans1

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    I disagree...

    1) You do not break the chain of command when your own department is handling the case.

    2) Who knows what the "true" motivation of the officer was.

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  35. azfinfanmang

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    First and foremost,

    If a drug- ringleader of the same "Illegal" stature as Vick, that is a large scale operation, would be looking at more Jailtime that Vick got.
    Stop sticking up for a fellon.
    Show me a case where somebody else has been in the same scenario and got a lesser sentence, bet you wont find in Google. Guess what, it hasnt happened.

    The crimes Vick did were even much more henious than just the dogs in the rings that were killed. Since you covered the case so closely, you also know that he repeatedly killed dogs with his own bare hands..repeatedly....

    As for him "Losing his life."... That is BS. He did indeed loose his livelyhood, and that is his own DAMN fault. Why do you feel he should be rewarded for being a felon?

    I personally hope that Goodell takes the High-road and indeed bans this goon for life. Let him take on a regular job like the rest of us. Its not going to happen, but I can still say my silent prayers
     
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    What alerted the Officer to Vicks 2nd house, was a relative of his was busted when he was pulled over and found some contraband on his person, then used Vicks 2nd address as his place of residence

    The officer got a search warrant to search the house for drugs, (not dogs) and the Officer knew it was Vicks house, no drugs were found during the search of his home, but the officer noticed all the caged pit bulls and some had scars and used this visual evidence to prod even further and got a search warrant to look for evidence on dog fighting.

    His department according to this officer was not moving like he'd like it to, contacted the FED's and got them involved, even though his superiors told him do not go to the FED's.

    The FED's used pressure to obtain confessions from certain individuals, in exhange for some plea agreement if they would testify against Vick.

    Personally, I feel, if Vick had a better Attorney, he would have fared better by taking this case to trial, based on the above information I have presented.(there is more, but don't want to beat this thread to death)

    Grant it, I have not seen all the evidence, but to my knowledge, he was not charged for any drug related charges.

    I still stand firm with my original opinion with regard to his punishment.

    Vick for what ever reason made a decision to make a plea of guilty and took full responsibility....

    As for Godell, I am not sure what "high" road you are speaking of, he sure didn't take the "high" road with Belichick, and certainly did not take the high road when all the Patriots tapes were destroyed.

    So how is that for a double standard....?

    I do appreciate your opinion, but I do not agree with any of it...

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  37. azfinfanmang

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    I also dont agree with Goodell's decisions on Pacman, Billicheat and his entire incident. By High-road, I of course mean, that I hope Goodell, does what is right, and that is ban this fellon for life, unfortunately his track-record says he will indeed let Vick come back again, especially if it means more money for the league :pity:

    Now then, a better lawyer? Are you kidding me? He had the absolute best lawyer money could by (He still had millions at the time), yet Vick comes out and claims Guilty. Doesnt that mean anything to you? He didnt even try to drag this thing out as he knew, and his very highly paid and high powered Attorney Billy Martin
    Billy Martin (lawyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    pretty much informed him he had zero recourse and the best thing he could do is plead Guilty.

    As for "Paying a harsh penalty, pffff. Here is what he couldve been facing:

    And in perspective to him being treated unfairly:

    He was indeed convicted and got less than 2 of those 6 years. Hardly a "Harsh" penalty

    Also lets keep in perspective EXACTLY what was going on:


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    Falcons' Vick Indicted In Dogfighting Case - washingtonpost.com



    Sorry, but in my eyes, if this was Joe Shmoe, he wouldnt be seeing the light of day for an additional 3 years....
     
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  38. opfinistic

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    The fact that he ran dog fights was bad enough, the whole so called 'culture' argument made me sick to my stomach, but when I first read about the cruelty inflicted on the dogs, like you mentioned, I was appalled. I am a dog owner, have been most of my life, and this ********** got off light. We're not in a third world country Vick, you are (supposedly) an educated man, or did your questionable football skills coast you through college? I hope he's never re-instated and he spends the rest of his days living in squalor remembering the foolish acts that cost him his career and the good life.
     
  39. Crappy Tipper

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    So you're saying if a cop knows something is wrong but his immediate superior refused to pursue a case that he should not try to find justice for a wrong?

    f**k the chain of command - sometimes those chains are corrupt, starstruck or don't want to be known as the guy that busted the local celebrity.

    As to your other statement - he picked his attorney you live and die by your own decisions.

    OK, so having relatives stay at your house that are dealing drugs isn't a matter of another stupid decision he made?
    I watched the animal planet special as well and the neighbors reported seeing him there quite a bit - are you going to say that he didn't know what was going on at his own house?

    Once the police were there don't you think they had the right to pursue a second criminal search with the evidence provided by the caged / scarred dogs?

    That would be like saying that a cop goes to a house for a noise complaint and sees a body lying in the bushes but can't look into it because that wasn't the original reason they went there. All they need is reasonable suspicion of a crime.
     
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    My "intent" is not to debate this issue as a morality issue. Nor do I attempt to convince or persuade either of you who may disagree with me over to my side.

    Let's just say that I respectfully disagree.



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