19th pick as of today (estimation) who you do draft?

Mate, I don't think he declares and I don't see him in R2. I see him more as a day 2 guy.

I think underclassmen worth watching that we haven't mentioned are Jeremy Jarmon and Brandon Graham. Ricky Sapp's weight will bear watching as well.

 

If they put Hardy on Ciron Black, then it will be well worth watching mate.

I'm not sure about coaching laziness. I don't think I'd want to invest in a lazy player. When I play soccer, I've always prided myself on that first out, last in mentality. But when I've played with players who aren't of a similar mentality, then it pisses me off. And whilst the stakes are higher where Orakpo is concerned, can you teach a guy to love football now that money is involved when he clearly wasn't when he was playing for free?

If Orakpo looked like a conversion end to a 3-4 LB, then I might be inclined to think you could do something. But I don't see it.

 

Size. Don't get me wrong, he's a fabulous player. But 5-10, 185 give or take an inch and 10lbs....that's just not part of the mantra. They would never have drafted a bigger Ted Ginn and they won't draft Harvin for the same reason.

 

My basic point is that Harvin is WAY heavier and more solidly built. Apparently a good 35 lbs. heavier or more than Ginn's 175. Different animal. This was news to me until yesterday. We'll see what he weighs in at at the combine. Even though Parcells didn't want the OSU receiver years ago when he wanted I believe Gardner, that guy worked out pretty well. He was what, 5-11, 200 lbs?

Harvin is listed at 5-11 1/2 I think, not sure about his true height. I'll bet you that he weighs in at the combine north of 200 lbs.

 

No way on earth is Percy Harvin 210lbs. None.

And no way are Ireland and Parcells taking a junior WR who does the same as Ted Ginn.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I am thoug.

 

In the second half, I saw him get double teamed only twice. All the other times, he used a speed rush or an ineffective inside spin and was dominated by Castanzo.

The run play used by BC was indeed an option or at least every time I saw it was. There were a few plays that I saw him where he read the option but failed to make a play. He did make a couple stops when BC lined up in I-form and ran it up the gut.

 

A big run stopping nose tackle would be great, but I am not sure who would be available. I think this pick will definitely be defense and I can see it being used on a front 7 player. NT, DT, OLB. I believe that will be our first pick.

 

I have to say that I concur with alen1 on this one. I know he watched the game, and I'd have to agree with what he has said so far.

 

I have a lot of confidence in my friend and what he saw. The bet offer stands- make it a pint of your favorite lager. Harvin weighs in at the combine north of 200 lbs.

 

There is a possibility he's put on weight and eclipsed the two hundred mark in my opinion. I know there was a lot of talk in the off-season that he ballooned up after lifting so much. And just to point out, he is listed at 195 by nfldraftscout.com and ESPN. However, he is listed at 178 lbs by Gatorszone.com. I say its a possibility but he still looks thin to me.

 

By the way, look at this monstrous picture of Brian Cushing.

 

Is he the one in the middle?

 

seriously which one is he?

 

To the left.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

Just to be clear. Castonzo did get the better of Brown at times. However, I saw him get doubled way more than twice. It wasn't always two guys at once. Often Brown would get past one blocker only to face another. They were definitely keying on him and he still made plays.

Drawing double-teams, forcing the QB out of the pocket on a number of occasions, recovering a fumble, and putting 7 points on the board is a good day at the office if you ask me.

If Ponder and the offensive line played half as well as Everette Brown the Noles would have won. Of course it's not the first time Raji and Brace got the better of an o-line.

 

That's a funny picture. Cushing seems like a bit of a goof.

 

Natural looking physique..good for him .

 

If you mean he beat a OT and then faced a back in the backfield, that isn't a double team by any means, that is simply just regular pass pro with a blocker in the backfield. You can't count that as a double in any regard. I have just watched the first half again, and rarely was he legitimately doubled. When he switched to the RT side with about 9:00 minutes left he faced the TE and then the RB, but he was accompanied by another rusher when he did. His best move is the spin move and he doesn't jolt anyone off the ball, and he can be stood up pretty easily to be honest, and he struggles to get off blocks when the OT gets his hands on him. Regardless of which OT he went against the other day. When the OT is ready for the spin Brown has issues making a serious impact in the play.

We can disagree on Brown, but I think you'll find he isn't that great a prospect in the end. I'd also say I doubt he weighs in at 252 lbs.

 

Absolutely. I saw the same. Has trouble getting off the blockers. I believe he got doubled in a goal line situation, where he went wide and was accompanied by the Costanzo and the LG. That play is one that I know for sure. There was another one that I can't think of right now. In the game, he went to an inside spin move and it didn't have any impact. I will say one thing though, he displayed a good bulrush at times. In the end, his future is at OLB in my opinion because he has the quickness and changes directions well enough.

Off-topic but I have a quick question. Does anyone else think that Brandon Spikes doesn't look 245 lbs.?

 

holy mary mother of god.

why haven't we drafted him already...?!

 

lol...I want a piss test...

 

Lol. Well, he came in to USC weighing at 227 and he's now 255 so its not that big of a weight gain considering he has spent four years at USC. At least its not as bad as Shawn Merriman's incredible weight gain in such a short time.

 

I would love to go O-Line again with our first pick. Everyone seems to want to go DT for some reason, but I think our DL has done a Good job so far this season and that we could pick up a massive DT in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Our lack of running holes, lanes, and an overall push along the offensive line is very scarey to me. That is why our coaches originally made the Wild-Cat formation; to get our best run blockers together to help get a push. I love Jake Long on the Left Side, I think Vernon Carey has done a great job so far too, but Samson Salatte and the other Gaurds have been a huge disappointment for me.

Vernon Carey is a free agent, and could recieve a huge contract offer from a desperate team. Donald Thomas was raved about in Preseason and early in the season, but is coming off a big Injury. And the other guys have not been up to par.

Like last year, there are a lot of solid Tackles in this Draft. I would love to sit pretty and get the one that falls to us. We could start him at RT if Carey leaves or move him inside to Guard if we re-sign Carey.

I WOULD LOVE TO GET (if he's still on the board when we pick, of course):
OG Duke Robinson from Oklahoma- He is 6-5, 335 and is a powerful true guard that would pave some huge holes for Ronnie and/or Ricky.

 

Hehe. Deal. Sort of.

Harvin is not a fool. As we stand now, he's not 200lbs and he's certainly not 210. If he is in Indy at 205+, then it will be on weight build which will throw up red flags.

 

Spikes looks about 265 to me.

 

Say what you will. Just don't be so sure of yourself. The source of this info-one of my best friends for over 30 years, probably has more integrity and less BS than anyone I know, and knows football. He was SHOCKED at how big this guy got. Some have it in their genes- look at Herschel Walker's body from pushups and sit ups- a monster. I think that your red flag comment is undeserved. Danny Kanell, who is from down here and whose family I grew up with in terms of school and sports, added major strength and good size when they got him on a program at FSU. Three years, weightlifting, and the right genes can do wonders. You make that bet as of his weight now, you lose. But nonetheless we're on, and it's a fair bet- a pint of lager says that he's north of 200 lbs. at his combine weigh in. Cheers.

p.s. Ain't no "sort of" kind of thing. Either it's a bet or not. Let me know.

 

You take me wrong.

I'm not criticising you or the integrity of your friend. I'm sure he's a great guy who knows what he's looking at. The fact remains, Percy Harvin, as we stand today, isn't 210lbs or 30lbs heavier than Ted Ginn was.

The red flag comment comes from years and years and years of studying the draft and knowing what worries coaches and scouts and GM's and one of the many things that throws up red flags is prospects adding weight late in their college career in an attempt to seem heavier, dissuade teams from thinking that they're light and ultimately making more money. Harvis doesn't have the sort of frame that will allow him to get much bigger.

 

Gotcha on the red flag issue. All I can say is we'll see what he weighs in at in Indy.

p.s. msg from my friend- arms like a WR version of Joey Porter (obviously not as big as Porter). Suggests that we find a pic of him online or take a good look next game. He's thinking 210, but yes, that could be pushing it. We'll see.

http://www.harvinzone.com/pictures/

 

You know, reading more about Hardy and working into Greg's background, I am about 75% sure that he won't Miami's pick and 50% that he won't even be on the board.

Conversely, I'm 75% sure that Clint Sintim, given where we're going to be drafting is going to be the pick and 1000% sure that he's going be hitting every positive possible on our board. Kudos to Con as he's been rising this kid hard for months.

 

For the past couple of months I've heard people talk abot Sintim as an ILB in the 3-4 even though he plays outside at Virginia. What is the consensus here about where he will play in the NFL? I personally think he's a fit at SOLB but I'm no expert.

 

I think he could play inside, but he's down to around 243lbs and he has everything you look for in a SLB. He's a four year starter at the spot in a 3-4 so his transition will be nil. Now I'm never going to be mistaken as a Matt Roth fan, but the question for the Dolphins will be, can he set the edge as well as Roth can?

 

OT but setting the edge = not allowing the runner to go by you? Can someone clear that up please?

 

Making sure that the back goes inside to the bigger linebackers and safeties, rather than getting outside on corners who might being blocked by wideouts. That run by Ronnie in the 3rd quarter on Sunday where he went off RT for about 25 yards; the Raiders failed to set the edge.

 

Thanks boomer. That's kind of what I thought.

 

There's no question that Roth can Stack his man, but when it comes to Shedding thats different story.

The problem with Roth is that he just engages his man, who is most of the time a TE, and is content on just holding his ground. He looks to engage in contact instead of flowing to the ballcarrier.

When the play comes his way he doesn't try to use his hands at all to shed. I think we need a SOLB who tries to make a play on the ball and get some penetration to force the play inside.

I haven't watched Sintim much this year (i've downloaded some games and plan to watch him some more) but there's no question we need a guy who can cause disruption in the running game more so than Roth.

Basically to me, Roth is just a big body out there content on stacking his man. No explosion, no open field tackling ability, total lack of a pass rush move arsenal, poor dropback into coverage, he just tries to run through people.

 

I've mentioned before that he could play inside for us. I think he could be that versatile if we needed him to be. I think that given the lack of speed on our right side it would be beneficial to have someone like him outside as he would bring the ability to rush the passer at a better clip than Matt Roth.

To Boomer's question as to whether he could set the edge, I think he can. Would he be the same as Roth in that regard - no. Would he be better at disengaging and getting back outside if the runner bounced outside of him - hell yes. Sintim has the ability set the edge, but maybe not with the same ferocity as Roth, but Sintim would be much more adept at playing off the block and getting back into the play. Plus Sintim is used at coverage responsibilities now, and he is much more natural than Roth at being in space, turning his hips and dropping into backpedal.

 

You think? I'd place him more about 255. Definitely a full 6'3" or 6'4" though.

 

I continue to be impressed by what I hear about Sintim, and I fully expect it to be a defensive front 7 player taken in rd 1 (William Moore, FS being the only other guy at another position that I'd want).

Would it be unreasonable for us to go OLB, DT/NT, WR or OLB, WR, DT/NT with our 1st 3 picks (or sme combination thereof)? Or would WR not be a likely pick at this point considering the play of Camarillo and Ginn (I really like Derrick Williams obviously, and thought we would double dip at WR this year).

I know we still have a lot of holes, and lack quality depth at many positions so we aren't really forced in how we play our hand, I just wonder how we stand right now in what we will be looking at (I know Tyson Jackson has been mentioned, and I really like him).

 

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised to see the us draft like this given what we know about our draft position.

1). Sintim - OLB
2a). Hakeem Nicks - WR
2b). Peria Jerry - DT
3). Antoine Caldwell - C
4). DeAngelo Smith - CB - I have a feeling this guy may be way gone at this point but you never know.

I do have a feeling that we are gonna draft a C this year and Caldwell may be the guy to look out for, but thats just my take for right now. I don't know about the rest of the draft after the first rounder, I didn't really look into it too far for this one.

We may take Smith early, like the 3rd I like this kid as he is hard nosed and is always around the ball. Then we could take a guy like A.Q. Shipley later on at C who knows.