Anybody else see Cowher on the pregame CBS show sitting next to Marino? After the performance against the Jets, we need to make a change. We're losing the players. I found myself hoping that Marino would recruit Bill Cowher for Huizenga during the commercial breaks. We need to make a hard fast run at this guy. We'll have the top pick in the draft and a very high #2, a young offensive team with basic, albeit inexperienced talent on board (Beck, Ginn, Brown, Booker, Satele, Carey, Hadnot), and Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Vonnie Holliday and Joey Porter on defense as a base. He could build the team the way he wants - offensive line first and tough hitting defense. We have to at least try to get him. Right now I think Carolina is the only other team that's looking at him.
:laugh: like dolphins fans would be as patient as long with cowher as steelers fans were all those years before he won a sb.
It would seem the answer is no. And I would be very surprised as well if Bill or any other coach replaces Cam after just one year. Disappointed as well.
You are not kidding, honestly I have never been enamored with Cowher. Play great D, run the football and be conservative as heck at times on offense. He finaly got a SB so good for him but I've never thought he was all that as a HC. I hate how he handicaps his offenses, after getting that big lead in the playoffs the year they won the SB they almost let (who was it? the Colts?) come back and beat them in the playoffs because after opening it up throwing the football they started playing SUPER conservative on offense. If Big Ben doesnt make that miricle tackle at the end of the game after the fumble by Bettis Bill still wouldnt have a ring and we would all be sitting here talking about how Bill is a good coach that just cant get a team over the top. Ken Whisenhunt had a huge hand in getting Bill that ring for the job he did with that offense in the playoffs
While I don't blame Cam for all our woes, I'd love for Cowher to be our head coach. IMO Cam's coaching abilities are, at best, suspect. I blame this season mostly on our draft history, but Cam hasn't done anything to convince me he's a keeper. In particular, I'm not sure having the defensive coordinator being defacto head coach of that side of the ball is going to be a successful formula. Cowher on the other hand is a known quantity. He's a damn good coach, and if next year we have another bad season because we're rebuilding, at least I'll know it's due to talent and that we have a guy on the sidelines who isn't in over his head. That being said, I would not give him power over personnel decisions. He'd have to coexist with Mueller, who has given us our best draft in a decade. If he wants all the power, he'll end up like Mike Holmgren in Seattle. I'd sooner take my chances with keeping Cam.
How many active head coaches besides Belichick have more than one? Only one I can think of are Gibbs and Shanahan, and neither of them have done it in a while. Gibbs hasn't exactly turned the Redskins into a dynasty, and Shanahan hasn't been able to win any championships without Terrel Davis and John Elway. You guys need to temper your expectations. No head coach hire - none - will guarantee a Superbowl win in the next 10 years, not even His Unholiness up in Foxboro. Keep in mind Belichick hit the lottery on one stupid little 6th round pick. Without that who knows if he would even have survived his first 3 season with the Pats.
how the heck do you know? inside source? please enlighten. If Cowher becomes available I imagine Mr. H would jump all over him. You don't pass on a proven winner to keep an unproven OC. Cowher was always a winner, even if it took a good while to win the big one.
Hey man....your a great poster, have great insite. Not sure if its the frustration of the team or what...but lately...your posts seem like they are always talking down to everyone. Fans of all level enjoy this site. Some are more knowledgeable than others. Its not like the Cowher idea is a new one. In fact...according to this SI article...Cowher was willing to listen to Wayne in January. If he was willing to listen then....he may very well be now. Its not a foregone conclusion. We all know Wayne likes to make the headline splash. He's an entrepreneur...and he very may well not wait more than a year to can Cameron. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/01/04/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?cnn=yes We all want our team to turn it around. At 0-12, we are all grasping at straws as to what that entails. All Im saying is be patient with everyone. Saying what this team needs right now is not new coaching....but "new fans" is a little like putting yourself on some pulpit.
I don't mean to speak down to anyone, and if it appears that way, then I apologize. I'm just getting frustrated with hearing the same impossible things over and over again. I'm also frustrated with this team going 0-12. Hearing the same silly suggestions repeated after every loss compounds into frustration. Also, people talk about Cowher as if he's a certainty to come to this team even if we fire Cameron. There are at least four other teams that would gladly get into a bidding war for his services. We would have to outbid them and then increase the price further to have Cowher take on the massive rebuilding job going on here. And he would almost certainly put up a losing record his first year, meaning we'd start hearing about how Cowher was overrated, we should have gotten Schottenheimer or Parcells, etc etc. It's tiring.
[ [/QUOTE] You nailed it on the head "frustration" with a capital F... People need to vent (me included) because what this team has become. You stated (again) that Cowher is not coming to the dolphins. And,like I mentioned in another thread, you may be right but I`m not so sure I wouldnt welcome the move.
I understand the frustration, but the fact of the matter is you can't fire a coach after one year. It's just not practical. And that's especially true when you factor in the roster Cam inherited.
EXACTLY, he went through years where if he had been a Fins coach he would have been fired, but the Rooney's are smart owners and believed in him and bingo he brought them back up to the top.
If this team goes 0-16, it will have done something no other NFL team has done, lost 16 games in a season. That unfortunate fact alone will change the thinking of what is or is not practical. Understand I am not advocating firing at this point, ALL aspects of a team must be looked at after an 0-16 season, including that 1st year head coach.
Exactly ! Why does anyone beleive or think that he would. If he returns to coaching it will be at the college level.
I know...believe me I understand the frustration...but heres my thought.... I have this fear that our team will end up being like the Detriot Lions....the butt of the NFL year in and year out. Its not that I dont like Cam....but man...we are in a HUGE funk. I dont see alot from Cam to turn it around. Yesterdays game was huge...HUGE..from a confidence stand point...and again ...he went with dumb coaching calls. Will he turn it around...god if he stays I hope so. But Cowher for me...is just such a prescence on the sideline. Hes won a ring...yes...and believe me...I think players respect that. Im not sure players are buying into Cams plan. Do we stay patient..and risk another couple of years of misery? Everyone speaks of re building...but if we go 0-16...thats HISTORY....think about it...every time the Phins name comes up...its not 17-0 they will talk about...its 0-16. If you cant win ONE game in the NFL..you are over your head.
we'd start hearing about how Cowher was overrated, we should have gotten Schottenheimer or Parcells, etc etc. This is where you are wrong. Nobody can say the problems are the players or cameron. I would say Capers had this defense or one like it last year, (what happened?). But cameron is a rookie coach. Cowher is a proven coach, not overrated. He has the track record. If we went 0-12 with Cowher, then its the players. I also want to add, that Im not stuck on Cowher being the best choice, if it happened.
This huge funk was along time comming, previous Coaches thought we could win it all now with patchwork, thats not how it works and now we are suffering bigtime for a ton of mistakes made. Fans down here arent patient enough for rebuilding though, it doesnt matter who the coach is, this mess will take a while to clean up.
For the record, I like Marty S, old school no nonsense type of coach who is back on the market for certain. That being said, I hear you about being the butt end of NFL jokes, we are a proud franchise, it would crush me ot go 0-16 while the patriots went 16-0, that would bother me no end. That being said, Cam Cameron is a fine teacher, he can develop talent and that is what we really are lacking right now, Cam can draw all of the X's and O's that he would like to, the plain fact is, we are seriously in a talent gap, and no matter the coach, it will take time to overcome that gap. Look at our Defensive line, we have how many players fresh off of the street? Offense? We are starting a guy who also was walking the street a few weeks ago, cut by the Texans of all teams. Our Wr's are inconsistent, our Oline is a mix of old pros and young guys playing different positions and a rookie. And our QB was playing for BYU this time last year, and his backup is a career backup, and our "old pro" has been knocked out of the league. And Cowher would want GM duties, and that has been the worst part of our decline, Coaches who moonlight as GM's are the death knell of this franchise, no thanks.
I kinda disagree....I think all of us can swallow rebuilding...but is 0-16 rebuilding? Im thinking 0-16 is more like..oh...crud I cant even put a word on it. I could stand back to back 4 win seasons...as long as I felt like we were BUILDING. Im just not getting that feeling from Cam. And I dont...I dont care what anyone says...think we would be O' fer if Cowher was coach. We have lost 6 games by three points...and on more than one occasion...Cams bad decisions have cost this team those points and more.
Big names have not helped Miami in the past either. What this team needs is a top to bottom sweep. Bring back Tom Heckert as team president and let him bring in a GM who will then bring in a coach the way things should be.
Schottenheimer would be welcomed with open arms. The man cannot win a playoff game, but he at least fields upper-echelon teams. He was real close with the Browns, Chiefs, and Chargers, how many coaches can say that about three different teams--Parcells? Everyone says that Cowher would want absolute control over personnel and I don't know that that is true. Cowher always had a strong director of football operations in Pittsburgh, and he got on brilliantly with Kevin Colbert, the Steelers' current GM, who is, for my money, one of the five best personnel men in the league, along with A.J. Smith, Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli and Bill Polian. Ironically, Colbert started out in the Dolphins' personnel department. Cowher might be agreeable to Mueller running the show. I find it doubtful that Cameron could survive on the merits of his performance this season, even with ever-patient Wayne Huizenga lording over the team. Who other than Parcells, or Schottenheimer would have the credibility? Huizenga has a lot to answer for in all of this. He's the only common link between the failures of Shula, Johnson, Wannstadt, Saban and now Cameron. He exhibited bad judgement by giving Shula carte blanche his last year in Miami, when Shula had shown no competence in acquiring players for many years. You cannot blame him for hiring Johnson, because everyone thought Johnson would walk on water, and he did draft excellently on the defensive side, but Huizenga talked him into staying that extra year when it was so clear that Johnson no longer had his head on straight after his mother's passing. Then he compounded the error by telling JJ to bring in Wannstadt, who he then promoted to head coach and gave him total control, even after he destroyed the Chicago Bears. Then he hires Nick Saban, who he had to convince to take the job (Huizenga's jet supposedly loitered on the tarmac at Baton Rouge waiting for Saban's final answer), and again, he gives a guy with no previous NFL head coaching experience, and no NFL experience, period, for ten-years, total control over the franchise. Then he signed Dom Capers to a huge deal and demanded that the new head coach keep him, instead of giving the head coach, or Mueller the option of getting their own guy if they wanted him. Huizenga is willing to spend the money, so he cannot be faulted there, but his judgement has been atrocious.
When the team you have sucks this much and the displeasure is so rampant, what else is there to talk about besides change? You know personel wise its going to happen cause you cant keep the identical team that went 0-12 (possibly 0-16) so whats to say the coach is any safer? Nothing. That youre sick of it, I understand. Im sick of losing as are many others. So somewhere somethings got to give cause myself and others arent going to stop posting about getting a proven guy like Cowher but you do have the option to not read those posts or ignore them. No hard feelings bro because in the end we both want the same thing....the phins to become a successful franchise again. We're probably less likely to agree on how to go about that but thats what message boards are for
