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Cam in Demand

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by alen1, Jan 6, 2008.

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  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3183910

    Former Miami head coach Cam Cameron may not be out of work for long.

    Cameron, fired as the coach of the Dolphins on Thursday, will be in demand as an offensive coordinator for at least two teams -- the St. Louis Rams and the San Francisco 49ers -- team and league sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.

    San Francisco has an interview scheduled Monday with former St. Louis head coach Mike Martz, who was recently let go as the offensive coordinator in Detroit. Cameron, sources said, is also on the 49ers' mind.

    St. Louis is seriously focused on Cameron after head coach Scott Linehan fired offensive coordinator Greg Olson, sources said. The team has not announced Olson's dismissal, nor the firing of offensive line coach Paul Boudreau.

    And one more team could get into the Cameron sweepstakes: Dallas would need an offensive coordinator if Jason Garrett, who has interviewed in Baltimore and Atlanta, gets a head coaching job.

    Both Olson and Boudreau, highly-respected assistants, were informed of their terminations prior to the weekend, sources told Mortensen.

    glad to hear. hes not a head coach but is a good guy and wish him the best
     
  2. Dolphins13Fan

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    Good for him. He and Linehan would work well together. Same with he and Nolan.

    He was horrid as Head Coach, but that said I wish him well.
     
  3. Kdawg954

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    man Steven Jackson would be a BEAST in Cam's offense (if healthy of course).
     
  4. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Don't know how you two can draw conclusions about him as a head coach based on a bad situation and one year, but hey.

    If I were Cameron, I'd try to take the 49ers OC job. Nolan could be axed as early as the end of the 2008 season, so he could kind of back in to a head coaching job again.
     
  5. BALLS DEEP

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    Linehan seems to be focused on the Dolphins scraps regardless of their performance here. It may ultimately prove to be his undoing.
     
  6. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    He needs to do something to prove himself again in the NFL.
     
  7. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    there have been several reports that he will be fired
     
  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Linehan too
     
  9. unifiedtheory

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    Unless he has him share carries with Brian Leonard for 3 weeks.
     
  10. WaywardZest

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    He deserves a coordinator job. That wasn't his problem.
     
  11. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    He was a good OC, theres no doubting that. he set up a good offense here. He just wasn't competent anywhere else.

    I'd take the St. Louis job personally. That niner offense is just sad. Nolans saying things like "Dilfer will compete for the starting job next season" and thats just ridiculous when Nolans the one who drafted Alex Smith 1st overall. Gore severely slowed down this year after winning the rushing title and it showed. and Vernon Davis doesn't seem to know how to reach his own potential. That offense is just befuddling.

    I'd take the rams job easily.
     
  12. Kdawg954

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    and return kickoffs
     
  13. Dolphins13Fan

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    It was a bad situation for sure.. However, whereas Cameron wasn't the entire root of the problem, he really didn't offer much in terms of a solution either.

    I'm not a total homer that I expected Miami to go 9-7, 10-6 or up this year. In fact, coming in I said they were a 5 win team TOPS. However, no matter what way you slice the pie, 1-15 is 1-15. When you look at and mention the number of losses by under a touchdown, good coaching wins at LEAST two or three of those games. That's my take anyhow.
     
  14. Kdawg954

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    ehh I disagree, people understand that he still is a good OC, maybe not a good HC. I think he will find a job as an OC . . . there are several positions open, and I think he will find success as a OC in this league again.
     
  15. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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  16. Dolphins13Fan

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    I fully agree. Yes, 4-12 stinks, but if they go 4-12 and show some kind of pulse, that's something to work with for the future. I also think if Saban was in charge, Willis, Okoye or Quinn would have been picked, Porter wouldn't have been signed and things might be substantially different in Miami (i/e maybe 5-11 or 6-10).

    Either way, I guess it's futile for me to live in revisionist history. I do know this though, I like Cameron personally but even looking outside the box, Cameron was a poor head coach.
     
  17. rdhstlr23

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    And he should be. He's still one of the brightest OC's out there. Until Ronnie Brown went down, our Offense was much more improved than last year. Is he a Head Coach? I don't know. I just know I wouldn't mind having him back as an OC...which would NEVER happen.
     
  18. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Cam was always a good coordinator. Just not a good head coach.
     
  19. Desides

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    Are we already writing Cameron off as a bad head coach, or has this particular meme simply self-propagated?

    I think in five years we'll see Cameron do a pretty good job as head coach of another team and we'll all rehash the old "why do people go elsewhere and become successful?" cry.
     
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  20. Dolphins13Fan

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    *Tony Montana Voice*

    The record mang... It don't lie.

    *End Montana Voice*

    In all seriousness, the guy as a head coach has a record of 19-52. In 5 years in Bloomington, his best record was 5-6.

    Before people mention Indiana being a coaching graveyard and an "impossible job to win at", Cameron's predecessor at Indiana, Bill Mallory led the Hoosiers to seven winning seasons and six bowl appearances from from 1986-94. IU wasn't quite the coaching graveyard some made it out to be.

    I like Cam, I think he's a good offensive coordinator. Yet, as the old saying goes, some people are better served being the passenger of the car and should never be behind the wheel. Cam's one of those guys.

    When he has the Saskatchewan Rough Riders winning several Grey Cups, I'll be sure to tip a Molson in his honor.
     
  21. TheMageGandalf

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    You may be right...

    Only time will tell.

    I personally think this HC gig was not the right one for him. From the scouting dept. to having a DC basically shoved in his face before he even accepted the job.

    Somewhere else, where he has more of an opportunity to create his own thing from scratch, and he might have a better shot a proving himself as a decent HC.
     
  22. alen1

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    I think if cams going to be a HC in this league, he needs to step in a team that is in good condition. for example, wade phillips in dallas.
     
  23. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Any head coach that loses the trust and confidence of his own team is not a good head coach.
     
  24. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    With all these stories surfacing now about how upset he made his own players, coupled with his record and poor personnel/game-management decisions, I can't imagine anyone giving Cam another crack at a Head coaching job. Not within the next 5 years anyway.
     
  25. Desides

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    Not Cameron's fault a clique of players decided off the bat they didn't like him. There was nothing he could have done to get them back.
     
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  26. padre31

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    1-15 is not a meme Desides, it is a fact, one that few teams in the History of the NFL have sunk too.

    The use of the term "meme" is not applicable...when in fact, it is true.
     
  27. padre31

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    So Cam Cameron is a victim of..Cam Cameron? It's not his fault he alienated his own team?


    :lol::001_rolleyes:
     
  28. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Not his fault five or six people didn't give him a chance, no. That doesn't mean he alienated them: that means they decided on their own they didn't like him, regardless of his actions.

    Why is it that normally inquisitive people will gleefully ignore the fact that the only Dolphins who have complained about Cameron are defensive veterans over the age of 28?

    Come back to me with proof that Carey, Hadnot, Booker, or Shelton hated him, then we'll talk.
     
  29. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Try winning. Oh wait, he can't do that either. Poor game management and bad personnel decisions are at fault there.
     
  30. Dorfdad

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    He needs to go to San Fran.. They have the system he knows.. He will be a good Offensive Coord, but never a head coach..
     
  31. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    First off, aside from Carey, most those guys were just happy to have a job (or in Hadnots case, trying to make their FA value better). secondly, why would it matter what side of the ball they play on? He was the head coach...as in of the entire team.
     
  32. padre31

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    So a group of Veteran players, all who have been winners in their careers, just hatched a plot to despise Cam Cameron at a time unknown?

    Channing Crowder was taking a dig at Cam when he replied to the question about LBook:

    "He was breaking ankles in practice, I don' know why he is not playing"

    Translated:

    He's playing well in the practices, the coaches won't put him into games for their own reasons....

    I do think Cam is a top flight Offensive Mind Desides, he was not a very good HC for the miami dolphins in 2007.

    He will land on his feet with a OC job and 7.5 mil in Wayne H's money in his bank acct, hopefully Cam cashes the check before he leaves Fl and saves the 7.5% state income tax where ever he may end up.....
     
  33. Desides

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    I don't think you understand the power structure and situation that Cameron walked in to. Head coach in title, but not in practice.

    And it clearly matters what side of the ball the players are on. If Cameron was told to stay away from the defense--and he was--then by default he had no real authority on that side of the ball, meaning those who are on that side of the ball felt they could say whatever they wanted to and could get away with it. Well, they did say whatever they wanted, and they did indeed get away with it.

    And Dom Capers did nothing about the clear and festering problem, possibly because he wanted Cameron gone so he could become the head coach in 2008.

    And now these people expect Parcells to come in and treat them with kid gloves and to not rebuild in the way that Cameron started to? They're in for a nice little jolt when they find themselves cut or traded. Parcells, Mr. "The players play and the coaches coach" himself, is going to look at what these people did and say "This can't stand."

    They thought half-rebuilding on offense was bad? Wait'll they get a taste of full-on rebuilding under the thumb of someone who doesn't care if he steps on anyone's toes.
     
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    Exactly Desides, Tuna is going to clear the decks, I've said that since he was hired (Houck being gone for example) the players will be treated no differently then Cam was.

    Not out of vindictiveness, IMO, Ireland and the new HC will give them a shot and a fair one, but there will be some players leaving who people will be shocked about seeing them go.
     
  35. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Dude, padre, there's seriously no need for some of this sneering sarcasm. We can disagree without attempting to denigrate each other, alright?

    I don't see why you're so adamantly rejecting the idea that some players didn't like Cameron right off the bat. It's clear based on reports that what I'm describing is exactly what happened: Cameron came in and wanted Trent Green over Daunte Culpepper, Daunte threw a fit, and the guys on defense--who all respected Daunte--thought he got screwed.

    (Side note: we know Cameron was right to want to get rid of Daunte, and we know the defensive veterans were wrong about wanting to keep Daunte.)

    Cam had to get rid of someone who these players liked, and they decided they wanted nothing to do with Cameron. And then the team goes 1-15 because the defense can't hold a lead that the offense puts up, and then the offense suffers major injuries and trades Chambers away just before the defense gets its act together.

    Were I in a truly conspiratorial mode, I'd say the defense collectively tanked the beginning of the season, then turned it up when an opportunity to look like the good guys presented itself.
     
  36. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Tuna has let some serious blood flow in the front office and coaching staff. Next up is the roster as soon as a skeleton coaching staff is installed. If some of these players think they're safe because they run this team, they've got another thing coming.

    The inmates do not run the asylum, even if they think they do.
     
  37. adamprez2003

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    Personally, I think this type of reaction by the players is why this team has been a bunch of losers over the last few years. 1 and 14 and you're complaining about a player being disciplined instead of trying to win the last game of the year and double your production. Pathetic. Best thing about Parcells is all the malcontents will be playing somewhere else
     
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  38. padre31

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    Does anyone really think that Tuna will let one of "his" guys walk into a situation where the inmates try to run the asylum on a team that 1-15 the previous season?

    I see a decimated defense in the Greek sense, and an offense that will only return maybe 3 olineman....
     
  39. NJFINSFAN1

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    He will be the OC for Marty in Baltimore.
     
  40. padre31

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    I wasn't trying to be sarcastic Desides, the idea is far fetched, there was no cabal needed, cut DC, watch Green play poorly and the loses piling up and one thing led to another.

    Capers not quashing the mini rebellion is surprising, but at a given point in a bad season, it becomes every man for themselves.
     

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