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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Omaha, Dec 2, 2007.

  1. dolfan32323

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    No way they take Kevin Smith (well I shouldnt say that with this franchise). It's McFadden or Ronnie Brown. No Ifs Ands or Buts.
     
  2. Beck2Ginn

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    Mario Williams is looking a LOT better than Vince Young and Reggie Bush right now. not even close.

    as for McFadden vs. Brown...why not keep both? why must we draft McFadden and trade Brown (which just isn't even plausible)? why not do what the Vikings are doing.
     
  3. Coral Reefer

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    The Vikings are paying a number 2 overall pick and a number 1 overall pick at the same position?

    That scenario would make zero sense.
    Let's play a game here, how much of the salary cap do you want to tie up for 1 position?
     
  4. sweeper

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    if u can trade RB for example for picks you do it. you get a good RB in mcfad hopefully and extra picks. look what peterson is doin with a great line and his speed/power combo. Kinda like mcfad but AP has a bit more power but i think less speed by a bit
     
  5. sweeper

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    did you mean our o line? lmaoo our o line has done ntn. RB made the line look good and it happened to be against CRAPPY teams in which he just surpassed 120 yards n such. GOOD o lines against a horrible defense like ours put up an easy 140-150 along with 220 plus yards passing. our o line leaves us NO TIME to do nething past a 3 step drop and a lucky 5 step drop here n there. pass prot is horrible and the Running game is back to crap esp against the 30th ranked rush D in the jets.


    sorry i dont see nething but decent o line play. Sheltons a bum, martin BLOWS when it comes to blocking and just overall, and i think we need 1 more solid G.
     
  6. Motion

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    Crabtree is a freshman, not eligible for the draft.
     
  7. Silverphin

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    Ronnie Brown is only 26 going on 27. And plus, at 30 years old is not a bad age for a running back at all. You're acting as if the man is a dinosaur. Plus, no one is going to trade diddly for a running back that would be currently rehabbing an ACL injury. IMO, we don't need a running back, especially when you have Ronnie Brown, a back who can do it all. We need to use that pick on defense, and Glenn Dorsey, IMO, also fits the BPA scenario.
     
  8. REV KEV

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    We need McFadden to keep our own defense off the field..., they are wore right down...

    RB is good maybe great but he is injured a lot... We need to have some way to consistently keep our D off the field especialluy vs. the Pats...
     
  9. Desides

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    I'm getting really tired of hearing this. Two freak injuries in two years means the guy is always injured? Seriously, in 2006, he tried to cut away from a Lions defender and the guy's helmet hit his hand. This year, he tore his ACL trying to tackle a defender who had just made an INT. Suddenly, Ronnie is injury-prone and must be replaced?

    Oh, man, I can't wait for the placeholder VIP to come online.
     
  10. bluegrassbubba

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    McFadden will be the No. 1 rated player on everyone's board, including the Dolphins, so if you subscribe to taking the BPA then it really is a no-brainer to whom will be taken at the number one spot. The rest of this talk is nonsense, I agree we probably need help on both lines more, but you cannot waste a no. 1 pick, if we get it, on a player not rated there. And I don't think anyone is going to trade up to the no. 1 spot, not even the Cowboys, it just takes too much to move up there.
     
  11. Carabinieri44

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    i dont see McFadden as being anywhere near as good as Adrian Peterson. if so, id take him in a second. but i view him as a Reggie Bush maybe...Reggie isnt putting up big numbers this year, nobody even THINKS of Reggie Bush now that Adrian Peterson is lighting things up. hes a ROOKIE and already has the most yards in ONE game, 296? yikes.
     
  12. Kippyia1354

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    DIDN'T ANYONE SEE McFADDEN AGAINST LSU WHO IS CHALLENGING FOR A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP????HELLO PEOPLE??? McFadden had a monster game and ran all over the Tigers pro like defense.(LSU defenders will be drafted high and often) McFadden is the real deal and no doubt has big play ability for the next level!
     
  13. padre31

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    Well you see what happened was the awesomeness that is Glenn Dorsey was holding down the sidelines while McFadden and Jones were running the ball, you see if GD were in the game no way they could make that defense look so bad...:001_rolleyes:

    Arkansas ran over LSU's defense even when their passing attack is third rate, McFadden really is "That Good".
     
  14. xDOLPHINSx

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    We understand how good McFadden is, my god enough already. He's not going to be on our team, live with it. Ronnie Brown is too good to have to put up with this. Honestly, Ronnie Brown people, remember him? The guy leading the NFL in yds from scrimage before getting injured in a freak accident type play. Defense is priority, IMO.
     
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  15. hof13

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    Best. Player. Available.

    What do you think teams would trade for Adrain Peterson right now? A single first rounder?
     
  16. Kdawg954

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    I don't think many understand this concept.

    Put it like this, and Cam even hinted at it on draft day. . . if AP would have fell to #9 last draft . . . he may have been a Dolphin . . . even tho Ronnie was having a break out year, we need TALENT . . . period . . . and if McFadden is the most talented guy in this draft, u take him.
     
  17. padre31

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    Boy would that have been a great move for us this season.:(
     
  18. adamprez2003

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    Nah. If we was a dolphin this year he wouldve torn all three ligaments in his leg before gangreen set in causing an emergency amputation but I digress:(
     
  19. padre31

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    Don't laugh but we had a Vikings fan on Finheaven who logged back in when we cut Culpepper, he came back to gloat so I told him:

    "Have you seen the new Adrian Peterson doll? It runs 70 yds for a TD, hits the field goal padding and goes on IR for 6 weeks"

    I have enough of the victim stuff though Adam, seriously, we suck but our reaction to sucking should be the desire to improve, we should take McFadden so that whatever happens with Ronnie, we are set for years.:up:
     
  20. adamprez2003

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    I feel the same way about Ryan or Brohm but I understand your point and I think if we pick any of the top five floated names we'll improve. Hopefully we pick the best one:ffic:
     
  21. unifiedtheory

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    Everyone who is saying "draft McFadden" has ZERO concept of how the salary cap works.

    Besides having about 100 needs, with running back being the 100th you simply can not have Ronnie's contract and McFadden's contract on the same team at the same position.

    I've seen "McFadden will keep our defense off the field because we'll be running it so well". How will this help when we are down by 2-3 scores every game and have to abandon the run?

    Running backs, even great running backs have never and will never be the key reason a team wins a championship. Championship teams are built on the lines, great quarterback play and stingy defense, we don't have any of those things.

    Sure, Emmitt Smith was a key player on the great Cowboys teams. That said, there success stemmed from the best O-line in football, a #1 defense and a Hall of Fame passer.

    The Bears floundered with the best runner of all time until they built one of the best O-lines of their era and the best defense I've ever seen.

    How many championships did Barry Sanders or Eric Dickerson win? They are two of the best 5 runners of all time but without a surrounding cast they won nothing.

    Build from the front out. Build our DEFENSE again. Add to our offensive line. Find a quarterback (it could be Beck). Blowing a #1 pick on a position that is currently filled by our BEST PLAYER makes zero sense to me. The people screaming for McFadden are the same people who likely called the Texans "crazy" or "idiots" for drafting Mario Williams. I thought it was a great move at the time (check my post history when FH is back up, it's not hindsight).
     
  22. padre31

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    Running backs win games, we already have a "good" or maybe "average" offensive line, our defensive line is woeful and will get worse with the rookies we will be starting there next season.

    Our BEST PLAYER?

    How much time has Ronnie missed? How long can "Waiting on Ronnie to comeback" be allowed to stunt any sort of offensive growth for our team?

    BTW, head to head, Reggie Bush is worth more to the Saints then Mario Williams is to the Texans, the Saints are winning games, the Texans are not.

    McAlister is injured (again), good thing they have Reggie Bush to fill in?

    And Williams is a Defensive End not a Tackle like Dorsey.
     
  23. sweeper

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    we need a major revamp in our o line and d line. I think a Dorsey will help but it wont fix the line. We need 1 LB, a DT, a DE, a G and T. tahts the keys to our rebuild i believe as well. I jsut have a hard on Mcfad b/c i dont trust RB coming back after injury as he lacked a 2nd gear from teh get go as it was including the power running style he has. I think the CB spot hsould be addressed in fA wiht trufant, samuels iwll get resigned, the dude from raiders will prob get tagged. then draft one in the 1st round or the 2nd round depending on what we do wiht our 1st pick.
     
  24. sweeper

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    average plz dont ever say our o line is good. As far as the RB situation what i can't stand is how injury prone he is jsut like the Caddy. You can't have a offense if ur "FRANCHiSE BACK OR FACE OF UR FRANCHISE" is always injured and missing at least 3-4 games a year not including this year. I think dorsey can be very good for us but when our offense is jsut as bad and ur best offensive player is never playing you are goin to have some major problems like we do now.
     
  25. NJFINSFAN1

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    The best thing to do is trade down for more picks, if we can't, than we take Dorsey. Defense is the biggest need.
     
  26. padre31

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    Fair enough, Bondoc suggested a trade with Cowboys for their 2 #1's a #2 and their big back.

    I liked it, but I think we should have some picks in 2009 as well as their #1's are going to be late in the draft.

    The thing that I have against Dorsey is his selection will require something we are short on right now, "Luck" GD's back and knee are question marks, and whenever there has been a question mark, we have come up on the dirty end of the stick.

    I cringe when I think about Dorsey being looked over by our "crack" medical staff...seriously.
     
  27. Disgustipate

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    It's absolutely true though. The OL is playing well.

    The running game has not stalled recently because of the OL, but because our #2 RB is playing hurt, and we're down to what, our #4 RB on the season?

    The pass protection has also been pretty good this year, but it's had problems as of late as well. Blaming the OL, however, is overboard, as many of the sacks have been not given up by lineman but rather runningbacks or tight ends trying to pick up heavy blitzes.

    Odds are, there's going to be some change on the OL, but suggesting it sucks is absolutely not reasonable.
     
  28. Desides

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    Dorsey's injuries aren't question marks. He should recover just fine between January and July. The fact that he's playing hurt and still doing well is a nice indicator that he can play through injury for us.
     
  29. Paul 13

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    If it turns out after the combine that McFadden is the clear number one choice on everyone's draft board then Miami is in the driver seat. Trade out of that pick, but stay in the top 10. The Fins need an elite playmaker on defense and they cannot afford to trade out of the top 10. Teams will overpay for trading up to the number one spot, as history has shown. It's not easy to make a move, sure, but again if McFadden is the clear cut number one, making a move should be relatively simple.

    Three of the first four Dolphin picks should be used on defense, one at every level... all playmakers. I think you sprinkle in a couple of vets on offense via free agency and you you've got yourself going in the right direction.
     
  30. Pauly

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    Bah humbug, people not named Mike Ditka won't give up a parcel of picks for a RB. For our #1 overall to be worth a parcel of picks we want a franchise QB to be the consensus top pick.

    I just can't see any talent out there that another team is going to want to pay #1 overall money to, let alone give up draft picks to acquire.
     
  31. xDOLPHINSx

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    honestly? Lets say we draft McFad this year and next year we pick #1 overall again and the BPA in 09 by far is another RB (lets say chris wells). So we go with him right? By your thinking we do...... BPA cannot happen all the time, the browns wouldnt take another QB if that was the BPA, the chargers wouldnt go RB....it would just be stupid...tying a bunch of money up at one position is not the way to a superbowl. and btw, who said Mcfad was the best player available?...

    I really liked UT's post earlier in this thread. Dominate lines on both sides of the ball is the way to go, everything else follows suit. If the lines can't do their jobs, then no one else can do their own. The big uglies are the guys I want to load up on, even if it isnt a flashy or popular choice.
     
  32. padre31

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    So our decision on Dorsey should be based completely on what he did in 2006 as far as performance, and 2007 just based on his part time play?

    So in 2006 , he was productive, in 2007 it's "well he's tough"?

    There is a month or more from now until the BCS game, if Dorsey doesn't show up and make plays in the BCS game, then I don't think we really should consider him, he can redeem himself at the combine, but it would seem that he is running out of chances to prove himself out on the field Desides.

    I've looked back at what was said about C Brown in 2000, the comparisons are very similar, "disappears in games sometimes" etc.

    Interesting looking back at what was said about past "Can't miss NFL prospect, all the tools etc etc."
     
  33. REV KEV

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    DUDE..., First of all you can't count... second I'm just as tired waiting for others to understand that RB is a little fragile...
     
  34. sweeper

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    waht u mean waiting? I understand and understood htis last year. hes broken a hand, sprained an ankle, n now torn an ACL. he is very fragile for a guy who is tha tbig powerful n hits hard.
     
  35. Carabinieri44

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    has anyone thought that perhaps we may trade UP and draft DeSean Jackson??? sure u dont hear much about him, but people talk about playmakers playmakers playmakers...we already have Ronnie, Ricky, Jesse.....what we need is another receiver because Ginn/Hagan/MBooker/LBooker arent doing it for us right now.....we need a receiver who can make plays and get open.

    if we dont get a big time receiver in FA's, does anyone think we trade up to #7 or so...and draft DeSean Jackson??? if we draft him, we could trade away Marty Booker for a 5th or so.

    i like what i see out of Lorenzo Booker, he may turn into a Wes Welker kinda guy in a few years...Hagan is improving SLOWLY, and Ginn is turning out great. seems like we are one receiver away from having a really good receiver corps. and if u want to add even more power to the offense, u can draft a tight end in the 2nd. Peelle and Martin can catch, but Martin cant block for shiz.
     
  36. Big E

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    I think #1 is too high for Dorsey.....period. You have the first pick you take the best player.
     
  37. dahlmarino

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    I'm a big Ronnie fan, and I love what I saw out of him this year before the injury. But if we can't trade out of the first pick, I really don't see much downside to taking McFadden. You can have depth at running back, and I'm sure we can find ways to work them both into the backfield. Ronnie did well sharing the backfield with Caddy in college, and McFadden shared time with Felix Jones, who is a first-round talent in his own right. They can both line up at multiple positions, they are both good receivers and blockers, and they're both able to carry the ball 20+ times a game. Having both of them in the huddle would be a great way to take pressure off of Beck.
     
  38. Betters75

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    Lets add to that.
    Trade our #1 to Dallas for there two #1's, and there #2(plus next years#1,#4)
    That would give us 9 picks on day one!
    We would win the Super Bowl three years!

    Fire Cam now!!!!!!
     
  39. sweeper

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    if we can get dorsey or mcfad, then a 2nd for JT get Davis, get a big tall WR, get a T, get a G in FA in Lilja (great pass protection and run blocker, hopefully not product of the system considering his coming from indy) our O should be good to go with 1 more WR via FA. then go D the rest of the way in draft and FA wiht 1 TOP TOP CB, then teh following year spill the picks on D and D in FA.
     
  40. Vengeful Odin

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    I don't think the solution to Miami's problems rests on the shoulders of one pick, be it McFadden, Dorsey, or someone else at #1 overall. The sad truth is that we simply have too many areas of need.

    Valid arguments can be made for help at WR, CB, Safety, Linebacker, D Line, O Line, even special teams. That means we need to "hit" on some of our other picks - meaning picks #32, #55, and #65 are as important, if not more so, to the rebuilding effort than #1 is. I would suggest that rather than focusing on the Dorsey vs. McFadden argument, the Dolphins front office would be better off researching to ensure that their other day one picks are solid and can contribute from the beginning of the season.

    Let's face it, there's a reason this team is 0-12, and it's not because we need help in just one area. Here's hoping that we do the research and have some success with our other picks - not just #1 overall.
     

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