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Week 12 Patriots at Dolphins Official Game Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    i bet what i could afford to lose. it was house money and i was expecting to lose it. i consider it a consolation prize and id do it again.
     
  2. TheAnswer385

    TheAnswer385 Stay Low Run Free

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    damn.....Time for Bess and London to take some 1st string reps perhaps Wilford will come off the bench
     
  3. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I agree completely. I am very happy that our team is going to have a respectable record this season...frankly, after last year, I didn't expect us to have more than 6 wins and I think it's a tribute to Sparano and Chad Pennington that we've done this well.
    But we've got some big holes to fill and the true test of the Parcells era will be if he addresses those needs adequately this offseason.
     
  4. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    randy moss got 3 tds. Like I said I don't think those two kill us alone.
     
  5. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Did Camarillo walk off the field himself or what? I didn't see that part.
     
  6. King Felix

    King Felix Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i really hope camarillo is okay.
     
  7. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    Right, right.

    Why do you take things out of context?

    Nobody said that the defense was completely absolved. However, here are some facts:
    1) The defense has played well in various games, including a Week 9 matchup against a high-powered Denver pass offense
    2) The defense has been stout against the run in virtually ever game
    3) The defense did manage to generate two turnovers that resulted in 14 points
    4) New England's offense is red hot, having putting up over 400 yards passing in two straight games

    Go ahead and take things out of context if you want. I was just trying to point out a few subtleties regarding the exchanges on this thread.
     
  8. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I think you're being generous. Aside from Will Allen, I don't think any of our defensive backs would start on almost any other team in the league. Backup, yes, but not start.
     
  9. rdhstlr23

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    I wasn't here for the game thread, I just got back from the bar.

    Just reading a little bit, I just decided to use this reply in this context.

    Our Defense didn't play well. You give up 500 yards, you don't play well. They lined up in shotgun all day long and threw it against us knowing they could block us up front. I will say this, the Defensive Backs were in position a few times, but the WRs really made some great plays, in particular Moss. I think it's clear that you'll see us draft some pass rushing OLBs in this draft. WE HAVE TO.

    With that said, Rick1966, I hope that you aren't implying that Randy Moss and Wes Welker didn't make plays, I don't think you are either. They really made some nice plays, that even when our DBs/LBs were in position--made the play. That's what football is about--winning 1-on-1 matchups. You aren't going to win them everytime or every game, that's why it's so damn tough. To take away from the plays that Randy Moss made wouldn't be right. He made some great plays. Defense played poorly, we got blocked up front, but they made some fine plays.
     
  10. muscle979

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    No they couldn't. When Wes Welker is your leading receiver you lose. See the last super bowl.
     
  11. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Anyway, I'm out of here. I need to go wash this shirt.
     
  12. GoPhins!

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    Then I guess we will just have to differ on what being a true fan means. Like I said, always other games to bet on instead of against your own team.
     
  13. muscle979

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    Yeah maybe not but the defense as a whole is not completely terrible. Jason Allen seemed to be getting abused all day. I know the idea that he's big and might handle Moss better but it obviously wasn't working.
     
  14. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    That 3rd was was OFF PASS INTERFERENCE. God Moss gets away with that **** all the time and Deidorf defending that **** was pissing me off such a Patriot blow hard.
     
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  15. hugoguzman

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    Not that it's going to sway your point of view in any way, but that "backup QB" just threw up 400+ yards a week ago and has been playing extremely well.

    Also, today's game was not a "must-win." It was a very important game, but the reality is that we split the season series with New England and are still in the thick of the playoff hunt with 5 games left to play.

    For the record, I agree that this team still has some glaring weaknesses. They are simply not a Super Bowl contender at this point. My only contention is that they are not as bad as some of you make them out to be, and that some of you have a nasty habit of spouting all of this doom and gloom after tough losses, which makes me think that you're basing things on emotions more than anything else.
     
  16. SICK

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    if there is no moss.....someone else catches those tds.....our d was not stopping anyone dude.....
     
  17. MelbournePhin

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    oh well, i guess im not a true fan. i guess ive been living a lie the past 20 plus years.
     
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  18. Samphin

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    That is right...we are conspiring against you. WTF? Seriously Hugo, you are a good guy, but you are wrong by bringing me up here.

    While my thanks ARE very important, I was thanking him because he happens to be right about folding when the pressure mounts. Miami is notorious for it and we did it again today. Unsportmanlike conduct penalties, fighting, dropping wide open passes. The team mentally checked out and gave up.

    First time all season actually that that has happened.

    And as for our other "key" wins. I agree and disagree. Hindsight being what it is, Buffalo isn't that great. In fact, they are in last place. New England was playing without a ton of players and essentially a rookie QB who had no experience. The Denver game was a big win. I agree there, but that is pretty much the only game that I can put my finger on and say, wow, big win.

    The New England game in week 3 is iffy. If you want that one as well, I can chalk that up to a big win, but it wasn't against a good team (at the time) and didn't define a season. This game did.

    It had a big game feel, the hits were harder and the passion was there. But the talent isn't and we were exposed today on defense.

    But if it makes you feel better, I will thank your post too. :up:
     
  19. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    im the biggest steeler fan next week.
     
  20. Zod

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    It's real easy to review when where and how of Matt Cassel's "excellence" during this game. I pointed to the problem at 1:59 today during the first half. Some (evidently not including you) started watching it and saw the same thing.

    Here is 1:59pm during the first half -

    It's been a wonderfully called game so far for the Pats. They thrown the fade to Moss just enough to make us keep two safeties back. Once we place off they have went underneath. Our secondary has been roped a doped but the worst part of it all is the middle of the field. You are going to see Crowder make a heck of alot of tackles today because the game plan seems to be to go at him after the safeties are gone deep.

    Here is my statement at halftime 2:31 -

    I wish they would give us a TV shot of all 22 players. I would like to know why they have not went deep to Moss for the entire game. There has to be a safety deeeeeeeeep.

    Here is 3:01 -

    As a matter of fact, I just saw Hill. When Jason is play off Moss, he has no help over the top and Hill is in the middle. When Jason is up in Moss' face, Hill is 15-20 yards deep.

    Here is 3:03 -

    Did anyone happen to notice that we got the sack when Moss wasn't bracketed or doubled?

    Here is 3:05 -

    Dude, the entire game plan is based upon Moss....

    Last play: Jason plays off Moss and we blitz......

    Next play: Jason on and Hill over the top.

    Here is 3:09 -

    Neither of our DBs can do anything with Moss. That entire series was dictated by the coverage that we played on Moss.

    It's simple to figure out:

    When Jason is up in his face, Hill is deep over Moss. They throw it underneath.

    When Jason is playing off (7 yards) he has no help (and the play is going to Moss).


    I could continue but I think you get the point. There are hundreds that watched this progression with me. Where were you?
     
  21. hugoguzman

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    You don't think that Yeremiah Bell could start on any other team?
     
  22. unluckyluciano

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    no.
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    some were great grabs and moss being moss.
     
  23. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    There was pressure in the 6 games they've won and they didn't fold. They were just out executed and outplayed. That's all. They didn't fold. They were playing hard the whole time.
     
  24. BuckeyeKing

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    Bro quit fooling yourself there is no one on that roster that is anywhere near the talent Randy Moss. Are you saying little Wes or Gaffney make the same plays Moss Makes today? Get real. Your right we couldn't stop anyone but Moss is far and away the Patriots biggest threat.
     
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  25. hugoguzman

    hugoguzman New Member

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    I guess I just have different thanking criteria.

    Like for example, if someone suggested that you were being ingenious, I wouldn't give the post a "thanks" even if there was another point made that was valid, because I wouldn't back an assertion I believe to be untrue or otherwise disparaging.

    No biggie.
     
  26. MelbournePhin

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    how many times were we a split second too late getting to cassell? seems like 10 or so
     
  27. BuckeyeKing

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    God to many...... I think they missed 3 3rd down conversions. Came away with 2 successful 4th down trys and I think they punted 1 time. Quite a pathetic showing.
     
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  28. Samphin

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    me·di·o·cre (md-kr) KEY

    ADJECTIVE:

    Moderate to inferior in quality; ordinary. See Synonyms at average.

    Go check my posts. I have maintained that this team is MEDIOCRE overall. Considering where they stand within the division and the league, I would say I pretty much nailed it have I not? I have predicted a 9-7 record. A winning record from a guy you say predicts doom and gloom.

    Check my post history in this thread Hugo, I already said that I am happy with how far this team has come. But I refuse to say that this team is a "good" team at this point. They simply aren't. They are getting there, they might be a good team by the end of the year, but not now. Not when you barely beat the doormats of the league and get your faced crushed in by a division rival who is without their starters at QB, RB, and various defensive positions. Not when that loss happens at home in front of a rowdy crowd.

    Like I said, mediocre.
     
  29. hugoguzman

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    Man, talk about taking my quote out of context.

    First off, I made that commentary based on Allen's deep coverage that resulted in an interception as well as another solid piece of coverage which resulted in a completion only because of a ridiculous one-handed catch by Moss.

    You can try and somehow manipulate things to make it seem otherwise, but when my comment was made, Allen had indeed made several solid plays in deep coverage against Moss.
     
  30. Alex44

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    We didnt get our faces crushed. The last score was completely irrelevant, and as bad as our defense played theirs was equally as bad in most aspects.

    They got a few calls when they needed them (see PI on Goodman instead of Moss) that made the score different than it should have been.
     
  31. MelbournePhin

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    joey needs help on the opposite side. hate having to corner blitz to get pressure on the qb
     
  32. hugoguzman

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    Fair enough.

    As long as you agree that the season is not over and abstain from making a final assertion (as you did early in the thread) I agree.

    Right now, they're average to above average. They have 5 games to move the needle.

    P.S. I know that you're not all "negative". You've pointed out on many occassions that you're happy with the teams progress.
     
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  33. MelbournePhin

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    that last td was bull****. people will still continue to love bellidick though
     
  34. muscle979

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    It was a more competitive game than it appears at this point. Of course the Pats loving media will probably call it a complete dismantling or something to that effect. I don't delight in the failure of many teams but the Patriots are one of them. Bellicheat is a piece of garbage for running up the score. I almost wish he would have suffered an injury from running a play instead of kneeling.
     
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  35. Samphin

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    If people make me laugh, or make a good point, I click the button.

    Quite frankly, you seem to be internalizing a thanks to someone else as a slight to you. Nothing can be further from the truth. As I said before, I have no problem with you. I like you as a poster. But this assertation that I am against you somehow, is unreasonable, to say the least.

    Our opinions aren't THAT different regarding this team. The problem is, you and others have lumped everyone who criticisizes this team as a doom and gloomer who is acting on emotion.

    That is false. We are REacting to what we see in the games. Nothing more and nothing less. Many of us have stated multiple times now, that we are pleased with the direction of this team, but it isn't where it needs to be yet.

    For some reason, giving an opinion on how we think the team is doing is taboo if it doesn't jive with what we all THINK and WANT it to be.

    Besides...I thanked your post too. :lol:
     
  36. brandon27

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    boy oh boy did he ever! that sure was great to see! im so glad we kept this kid! Today, 5 catches, 87 yards. very nice indeed! :up:
     
  37. Fin-Omenal

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    We are all ticked fella's but remember we are all on the same team.
     
  38. muscle979

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    I think the Rams are going to get destroyed next weekend. This game has got to be leaving a nasty taste in the players' mouths.
     
  39. Samphin

    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

    See, what does that mean? Does that mean if I opine that I don't feel that the Dolphins will make the playoffs, that I am blowing off the season?

    If I feel that we won't win another divisional game, that I am writing it off?

    I don't think so, but others most likely will. The season is not over, butI think our playoff hopes were pretty much dashed today. Would I love to be wrong? Sure. I felt that we would lose to New England and San Dego earlier this year and was wrong.

    I also thought we would beat New York and Houston.

    The point being, that this is a message board where ultimately, you have to give your opinions, right, wrong or otherwise. And I refuse to let anyone try to guilt me or shame me for saying what I think.
     
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  40. Zod

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    Flow with me for a minute:

    Our four couldn't defeat their five on the pass rush up front. That's four defenders.

    Two were allocated to Moss for 50% (or more) of the plays. That's six defenders.

    So the spread offense has four more eligible receivers to account. You can count it down the defensive roster. Five players in the secondary did not have the ability to stop their four other eligibles in the first half. The D coordinator now has to turn up the heat in the second half.

    We began to leave Jason Allen alone on Randy Moss to bring 5 at Matt Cassel. That's six. Randy kills Jason. We mix up the coverages and they go back underneath or run. We change defenders on Randy and he kills Will Allen. The fact is that Randy was going to kill all single coverage.

    What it boils down to is that we had to double or bracket Randy Moss. That was a given. The front four had to get pressure. They didn't. The other five in the secondary had to cover the other four eligibles. They didn't.

    The end sum of the game is that Wes Welker was better than our nickel defender. Jabar Gaffney was better than our nickel defender. Whoever played the slot beat our third best cornerback. What really kills is the fact that all of the runs (out of spread) and the majority of the passes thrown between the hash marks within a 5-10 yard range falls directly upon Channing Crowder. He's not as good as most people think.
     
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