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  1. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    This is a great post... the whole dang thing!

    We all knew Beck would have growing pains.
    That's why we wanted him in THIS year, to get some of them out of the way and to be a little seasoned for next year. Having said that, I agree that Cameron is the one showing some inexcusable ineptitude. Some of the situations Beck found himself in today was a result of some very poor coaching and play calling. Dosen't change the fact that Beck made mistakes, but his experienced coach/OC certainly shouldn't be making situations harder on him.

    on another note, not having a top 5 pick all those years while we were winning wasn't the problem. The problem was that the franchise never brought in a GM to make good use of the picks we did have. You can find some damn good players that were picked around and after all our draft spots the last 10 years, we just never picked them.

    It's no mystery why either, again, no GM during Shula, JJ and the biggest mistake.... Wanny. Wanny's tenure at GM is the iceberg that sunk the S.S. Dolphin for good.
     
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  2. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    3 games and the 3rd he had no running game and I mean none. Not a threat. He made mistakes, but he is a rookie. He was asked to carry an offense that itself is growing. Those thinking they know the answer on Beck already dont know much about the game.
     
  3. Silverphin

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    Why not just pick up a veteran QB to do the job Ryan would do here. That way we can use that pick on more dire needs, like our defense.
     
  4. vt_dolfan

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    No way can we take Ryan...to possibly back up Beck..if he falters. Do you realize how much money you are asking to be tied up into a QB that may or may not play? If you want to draft a rookie QB do it in the later rounds...develop him...bring in a vet to back up..someone akin to Sage or something. We cant spend the #1 pick overall to a player that may or may not play....we need help...and this guy needs to step in and play now.
     
  5. Big E

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    Neither of the Ints he had were "really" his fault, one was just an excellent play by Rhodes and the other was a tipped pass. No TD's yet, but he's really not doing that bad.
     
  6. Vertical Limit

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    Peyton Manning sucks. That dude threw something over 5 INT's or so in a game against San Diego. I would hate to have a garbage QB like him on this team.

    /end sarcasm

    Oh the expectations for a rookie. It's always the fans that run people out of town.
     
  7. Texphinphan

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    I humbly disagree. at least 1 pick, Beck was absolutely locked into his receiver from the snap. Beck had a crappy game no 2 ways about it. Having said that, he is a rookie and has been stated very well already in this thread, one game a bust does not make.
     
  8. abNORMal

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    Beck will be at least a decent QB (especially comapred to what we have had at QB the last few years) Reminds me of Bob Griese with out the glasses and a stronger arm. However, Beck will be 27 going into next year. He is an old/young QB. and will take more time to develop. We need to draft another QB (I don't know what round) next spring as insurance in case Beck doesn't pan out and because trent green is done or should be done and lemon is a free agent next year I think. Do not want to draft a RB because we would have too much monet tied up at that position, remember Ronnie is getting #2 overall money, and we have injured Ricky for at least one more year on the cheap....
     
  9. lockout2

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    I think Coral Reefer summed it up nice up top. I couldnt say it any better. Only thing I'd add is, "what part of rookie arent people understanding"? At lest we got him in there now to get the growing pains out of the way. What better time to do it than now?! Also, we cannot expect to throw Beck in there at this point in the season, and expect him to be our "golden child savior". It takes a team to make it or break it. Just wait til we get through this season and get the ducks lined up..next year will ROCK!! ;-) xo
     
  10. adamprez2003

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    "Ready to go" simply means they have played in pro-style offenses and wont have to be taught a professional offense from step one. It saves about one year of development in general. It doesnt mean they will come in and play like a ten year veteran. Ryan and Brohm are NFL ready from that perspective. Kevin Kolb who was drafted last year didnt come from an NFL style offense and therefore wasnt considered "ready to go"
     
  11. Jsbaugh

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    Some of you guys really need to put things in perspective. Everyone wanted a win today, but it didnt happen. How many people actually thought we were going to beat the Jets? Deep down inside most knew it wasent going to happen. Even if Beck thru for 350 and 2 TD's we werent going to win this game.
    There are so many problems with this team that you cant lay blame on any one part. What do you expect when you have a rookie center handing to a rookie QB that either hands to a Rookie RB or thowing to a Rookie WR? No help or blocking from the O line, non exisitent running game, a defense that gives up 40 points and 150 yards on the ground and horrible play calling from a rookie coach. Does that sound like a recipe for success? and you wonder why this team is 0-12.
    Does it make a difference if this team wins a game this year? In the scheme of things, no it doesnt. Were still not making the playoffs, which is the only thing that counts. Even if we get one win, it will still be considered probably the worst team of all time.
    The only thing you can take away from this season is you are developing young players and you will get the first pick in the draft. Dont expect anything else.
     
  12. Jsbaugh

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    If you think Ryan and Brohm played in a prostyle offense then what do you call the one Beck came from? It doesnt get any more pro style than a BYU passing game. Why do you think its called Quarterback U? Why do you think he passed for 11,000 yards? and dont give me its becuase he played in the MWC.
    Coming from a certain type of offense helps a QB adjust to the playbook quicker, but says nothing about the intangibles that go along with the pro game. Both Ryan and Brohm might be good pro QB's, but to say they are more prepared than Beck is incorrect.
     
  13. Desides

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    BYU has never been known as Quarterback U. That's the University of Miami.

    BYU doesn't have a history of giving great QBs to the NFL. Steve Young, Jim McMahon, that's it. Now, I think Beck can be the third great QB from the school, but it's hardly a guarantee that he'll be great just because he came from BYU.
     
  14. Jsbaugh

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    The term Quarterback U is because of the numbers their QB's put up.

    I never said because he is from BYU that he is going to be good. I stated that BYU runs a pro style offense where the QB throws a lot.
     
  15. adamprez2003

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    He was "ready to go" for the exact reasons you mentioned. I never said different.
     
  16. Desides

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    And yet, only two Brigham Young quarterbacks have done anything in the NFL. Meanwhile, you're misappropriating a term used exclusively to describe UM.

    That was certainly your implication when you called it Quarterback U. Don't say what you don't mean.
     
  17. Zod

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    The sad fact is that there is no barometer for who will succeed in the NFL at Quarterback. There are a couple of things that are certain to prohibit any QB from surviving at the Miami Dolphins though.

    1. An intolerance to survive a dismantling and a rebuild.

    2. An intolerance for mistakes in a growth period.

    3. A media seemingly incapable of analysing and educating the general public about the happenings in a salary cap league.

    4. Fans who value THEIR opinion more than the building of a team.

    If you look around at the bottom of the league, you will find that only when a fan base has given up (on all THEIR answers) does a coach have success. Why is that? Was the coach some kind of genious? No, he simply got the time to make his team competitive.

    Like it or not, the Miami Dolphins is a three year rebuild just to get back to a record over .500. You asked to "blow it up and start over". They did. Now you want to go back?
     
  18. JMHPhin

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    LOL BYU backin the 70 and 80s was known as QB U so your wrong. It was an unofficial thing spoken by commentators.

    Dont like Beck? fine
     
  19. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Uh-huh.

    Where did I say that I didn't like Beck?
     
  20. MiamiMan147

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    That would be true if the Dolphins were actually run by this message board, but thank God it's not.

    Bottom line, for all the clueless whining that happens on these forums, Beck will continue to start for this team and get a chance to prove his worth.
     
  21. Mr772

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  22. JMHPhin

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    Sorry read to fast on my lunch
     
  23. TiP54

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    I dont blmae him for anything but two of the three fubmles.
     
  24. adamprez2003

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    I think the deflected pass/int has to be a concern too due to his height. Need to count how many balls get tipped or batted down at the line of scrimmage for the next four games to get a sense of how much of a problem this going to be for him
     
  25. RGF

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    Somewhere along the line the main question I asked when I started this thread got lost in the shuffle. I wanted to know what part of Becks game -RIGHT NOW- merits the praise he`s getting. I never said he wont be a quality QB with more experience. I sure as hell hope he does. But to imply that he is a "cant miss" prospect is insane to say the least. The unimployment line is full of "cant misses". Lets take a "wait and see" approach befor we clear a spot in Canton for this kid.Of course its early but the negatives-SO FAR- out weigh the positives by a long shot. I downright refuse to look at this situation through rose colored glasses. We`ve all been burnt countless times with this organization for a long time now. You want my respect EARN IT! And that goes for Cameron also. If I`m not allowed to knock Beck after three games then by those standards no one should praise him either. Based on the hype he simply hasnt delivered.In todays papers (IN NY) the Jets players were stating that beck seemed confused and easily rattled. Some fans that were at the game noticed that Beck was visibly shaken by the comments thrown at him from the jets fans behind the Dolphins bench. At one point after a Jet punt,Beck started to run on the field without his helmet. I was told this by a relative who attented the game.
    Listen,all I`m saying is this kid needs drastic grooming. "Cant miss"? BASED ON WHAT?
     
  26. adamprez2003

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    I've asked the same questions and gotten the same responses. Beck is the new Golden Child. Anyone who questions that is instantly labeled a heretic. I am still cautiously optimistic that he can develop into a solid starter but when I proposed we should draft a QB with our first if Beck doesnt show anything I got the typical responses "Peyton sucked his first year, Its too early to give up on Beck, fairweather fan, etc"

    I think part of it is everybody got it in their head that we got some kind of "steal" in the second round with him. Right now he looks like a 2nd or 3rd rounder in every sense of the word. I think someone from the Miami Herald even wrote that everybody should chill out on questioning Beck. Saying it took Brees 4 years to become good. 4 years?!! Beck doesnt have 4 years. Beck will be 30 by that time. What are we going to groom a QB for 4 years so he can play well for another 4 before he retires due to old age? He needs to show something in the next 4 games or we have to address the position through the draft since there are no free agent options next year
     
  27. padre31

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  28. RGF

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    Is that intelligence I detect? You`ll have to excuse me,I`m not used to "reality" posts around here.

    I whole heartedly agree with drafting a QB if Beck doesnt show DRASTIC improvement these last 4 games.
     
  29. FINintheMOON

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  30. azstryker

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    Perfectly put! I never quite understood how he automatically became the golden boy. Hey every time he drops back I'm hoping that he fires it in there and validates the premature praise. He is a memeber of out team and I will root for him as long as that remains true. However, I will not give anymore free passes. We have been overly patient way too often in the past and look at us now? our once proud team is in shambles because we stayed put and passed on players just to wait and see what developed. If Beck doesn't improve DRAMATICALLY and start putting some points on the board over the next 4 games, then there is no way on god's green earth that we should pass on a franchise QB if there is one available in the draft.
     
  31. padre31

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    The clock in the head will come with playing time FinintheMoon, that is just a part of being a rookie QB on a bad team, if he continues to absorb hits but plays anyway, that will be a good sign for him and us.

    Alot of Rook QB's become gun shy after games like this last one, they drop their eyes when the rush get's close and end up getting sacked because they in essence have given up on the play and then "just don' want to make a mistake" and of course, save their bacon...

    And one thing I really hope people will keep in mind concerning Beck, and really the future offense in Miami, we will be a "running back" centered team for a very long time, our offense is predicated on running the football first, and we are down to Samkon Gato for goodness sakes, which means it wouldn't matter if it were Cleo Lemon or Trent Green out there for us, they still would be getting killed because we have -0- running threats for the Defense to worry about, we have nothing at running back..de nada...nein...less then zero.

    I would bet that in the games we have lost by 3 pts or so, we had an effective running attack, in our blow out games, we have tried to rely on our QB's lifting mediocre and untested Wr's and Rb's and it just will not work.
     
  32. DeDolfan

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    Seems to me that you missed alot!! ;) :D :D

    Seriously, after 3 games with this mess we're in, I really don't know what anyone can really honestly expect.
     
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    I hate to say this but I don't see the Phins winning a single game. You can't expect anything from Beck excpet improvemnt from game to game.

    OK, he laid an egg this past Sunday. There are 4 games left if he doesn't at least show SOME improvement, then they need to think about possibly going an another direction.

    Just pray he doesn't end up like Tim Couch. I got to watch the Browns ruin is career by throwing him to the wolves.
     
  34. FINintheMOON

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    Well is that statement meant that we haven't tried hard enough to fix the team? Or is it meant that you are being impatient for results?

    Since 2000:

    We have had 12 different QBs under center

    We have had 5 different head coaches with 5 different styles

    We have 2 players on the team that were there in 2000

    Our attrition rate has been approximately 35 - 40% in each year

    We have 2 draft picks in that time frame coming into this season that are still on the team

    We have lost 50% of the defense to injury and based on opinion of offensive players lost, 60%...

    Now how could starting over again next year be a benefit to this team? And if Cowher comes in and goes 1-15? Parcells comes in and goes 1-15? Well I guess another change would have to be made because we did the same thing... Took has-beens or we should have made a better decision on coaching or should have been better in the draft or this or that and possibly he or him or them or sale of the team or...

    I don't care if you get the best of the best in talent at every player positon and coaching, it will take at least 2 years, at a minimum, for that team to be effective. Why??? Because they need to play with each other to work out the timing and kinks of the game.

    The REDSKINS tried to do this a few years ago. With the talent they had on that team, there should have been nothing less than a ring on the eteams hand. Guess what, they went 6-10. And that was with a team that had more talent on "O" and "D" than any other team that year!

    Talent is one thing, but ask Billicheck... Continuity is 75% of their success...
     
  35. adamprez2003

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  36. Jsbaugh

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    Name one QB in this league that would be lighting it up on this Dolphins team? Guess what, there isnt one. Beck had a bad game because he is a rookie, on a **** team with no rushing game, no blocking, horrible play calling and inept WR's. If you want a comparison go look at Trent Edwards stats and he in on a lot better team than the dolphins. Last I checked he had 1 TD to 5 Int in 5 games. They managed 5 FG's yesterday with one at the buzzer to win it.
     
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  40. Frumundah Finnatic

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