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[MERGED] Glazer - Porter ,other players confronted Cameron

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by SICK, Jan 6, 2008.

  1. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    it'd to much of a salary cap hit if we released him this soon
     
  2. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Yea, look at Saban, most of the players we had didnt respond very well to his coaching personality.
     
  3. Passrusher

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    It's all moot folks because Cam beat Joey in a Hell in a Cell Match after their blowup. Now Porter fears him.
     
  4. ChambersWI

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    see I thought most of the players (sans J Allen and Manny Wright) responded well to Saban. Last year, we just had lackluster QB play (though to be fair to Joey, he was not costing us many games) and we could not get turnovers. I think most of the secondary guys just preferred not getting yelled at for little mistakes during practice since Saban spent so much time with the DBs
     
  5. Dominizzo

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    Screw Cam!! GO to St.Louis and join the other loser Scott Linehan!!! 2 duds on a team is worthless......

    if he does land there he will be with the other dud Randy McMicheal
     
  6. djfresh47

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    I think that's only way Cam could've responded. The veteran players on the Giants seemed to all hate Coughlin the past few seasons. To be fair, that team had alot of guys who are outspoken and all that teams problems are in the open. A classic "me," guy in Tiki Barber retires and the team improves. Coughlin loosens up a bit and guys respect him more and the team improves. If the Giants had the type of season that many predicted Coughlin would've been canned and i'm sure their would've been mutiny. If a team wins all is forgotten, if they lose players and coaches get frustrated. That's when guys or coaches blowup.

    Also I think veterans will stick up for other veterans on the team. New coaches aren't always given respect right away. They've got to earn it like rookies. I'll use the example of Atlanta releasing I believe Grady Jackson and veterans speaking out against the move. Petrino was Saban-esque in leaving Atlanta but I think that franchise will be better for it. The players didn't respect Petrino and he had already lose the lockerroom.
     
  7. slippyjoe24

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    Jay Glazer Article on last few days WOOOOWW

    I had heard stories but what is being said in this article is incredible

    Now I have a question was Cam a man for not sinking to the level of some people or was he a punk for not standing up for himseld

    By the way PB, brother after reading this article, I am starting to agree with you on Taylor and Zach ... they need to go ... they are being little punks about losing

    Yes losing sucks, but lose with some dignity I guess


    The first incident centers around Cameron and began when DT Keith Traylor and guard Vernon Carey got into a very heated exchange that nearly turned into physical on the team's flight back from New England in Week 16.

    Traylor at first got into it with another player but then when he went to the back of the plane to apologize, the whole affair escalated into what was nearly a very messy incident with Carey. Players were forced to jump into the fray and separate the combatants.
    [mod] please do not quote entire articles. Just a sentence or two and then the link, thank you[/mod]
     
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  8. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    VERY interesting that the players ripped him for taking Beck out!
     
  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    If I needed more reason to be glad Cameron was gone, this would be it. But I had that feeling about him as it was...he didn't seem to have much of a spine.
     
  10. slippyjoe24

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  11. THCMAN

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    I like Joey Porter, he played well for us in the 2nd half of the season. He still has plenty left in his tank, but I think part of the reason that the Steelers let him go is because they probably had concerns that a rookie head coach might not be able to deal with such a vocal & popular guy.

    There were a number of games where it looked like he was one of the only guys actually trying to win the game...

    He is a linebacker, his disposition reminds me of Matt Millen and LT. Those guys weren't exactly sensitive, politically correct types. :lol:
     
  12. Finfang

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    I am in total agreement with you Marty. By no means do you undermine your head coach. I don't care how frustrated you are from losing or whatever. Be a damn professional about it not an overpaid crybaby. The way these players acted and especially Porter calling him out in front of the team is completely classless.
     
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  13. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    I have a hard time faulting Taylor and Thomas here. They have no history of undermining coaches. If Cam lost the team, Cam lost the team. And good leaders know how to effectively short circuit anyone who is undermining them, bad ones just do nothing. But I don't blame career Dolphins Taylor and Thomas for making it clear to new management (Parcells) that the first year Dolphin coach just didn't have what it takes.

    Porter has a big mouth, but the fact that Glazer didn't find a single source to defend Cam's side of this issue speaks volumes.
     
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  14. His'nBeatYour'n

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    Even if Porter felt it was classless for Cam to throw Truck off the team before he could play the likely final game of his career?

    If Cam had already lost the team, what difference did it make that Porter did this in front of them? It would have given Cam a chance to stand up for himself, but he knew he didn't have the credibility to take on Porter. So he took the high road. But since he has already lost this team, they couldn't interpret it as anything but cowardliness.

    I like Cam much better than Porter as a person. But, this article tells me what I have suspected about Cam all year, that he never had the ear of the team, especially the veterans. You just can't be a head coach in the NFL without getting grown men to follow you. You aren't being loyal to the franchise or the fans when you don't call out people who aren't doing their jobs.
     
  15. Finfang

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    Sorry man not buying it. These guys are paid to PLAY FOOTBALL. That is their job. Their job is not to call out guys who were hired to do their job. Let the coaches coach and go out and give everything you have on the field.

    I didn't see any of the players calling out team mates when they weren't making plays. Did Hagan get a butt chewing in front of the team when he dropped passes?

    I'm sure when Porter was struggling in the early part of the season that Cam and his staff were behind him. That is the way a team works. Once again I'll say that the way these players who are paid millions of dollars to do their job on the field handled the situation was classless.
     
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  16. ac_lanham

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    Do you condone Cam for being a suckup to management? He IS the head coach after all...shouldn't he try to at least act like a leader of men and not sit there while two adult teammates argue?
     
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  17. brent

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    Its really hard to Imagine any of this happening under Shula isn't it?

    Point is that 1-15 is not acceptable to 99% of the Dolphin Nation!

    Cam was not worthy enough to have been our Coach, period.
     
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  18. Kudda

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    I agree. I wanted Cam gone as much as anyone, but that's absurd for the team to attack the coach like that if this is true. They all should be held accountable.
     
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  19. endorPHINS72

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    Well said. Cam Cameron was the furthest thing from a leader and was in way over his head.
     
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  20. endorPHINS72

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    I think you need to read the article:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7644170

    Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor were some of the biggest critics of Coach Cameron. I sure hope you're not calling them divisive punks. Jason and Zach will go down as two of the best Dolphins ever who gave everything they had for this franchise. Mueller challenged Zach Thomas' work ethic and toughness and Zach wanted to kill him. Cameron was intimated by Jason Taylor's leadership and tried to undermine it, the sign of an insecure man.
     
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  21. SMOKE

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    Geez Dom. You always seem so angry and negative these days. I guess 1-15 will do that to a guy.
    I don't know what your beef is with Linehan. He did a pretty good job when he was with us. Got Chambers to his only pro bowl with Gus Frerotte taking snaps and more importantly, won us some games. I'm rooting for him to turn things around in St. Louis.
     
  22. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Well, if you read what Vonnie Holliday, Marty Booker and some others said after he left, you can tell that he didn't exactly have the respect of the team(part of that was bringing Ricky back which the team was mostly against at the time). Except for maybe JT(who didn't get along with Saban at first), I dont believe Saban had the team behind him and probably played a part in him leaving.
     
  23. phinfan0202

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    Cam pretty much lost the locker room since the beginning of the mini camps and such with the pick of Ted Ginn jr. The players weren't happy with it nor was the fans. It got bad when the whole Dante thing happened and on top of that the team almost went down with the 1st 16 game losing season ever. Bad coaching didn't help him as well as his indescisiveness as the Head Coach of the football team.
     
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  24. WaywardZest

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    This is the nasty part of a coach being fired. The man didn't work out for us, fine, but does he have to be slandered? I would bet that Cameron did everything he could to win all 16 games.
     
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  25. endorPHINS72

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    Apparently not. One of the things that Parcells didn't like about Cameron was that he was a "9-5" guy and didn't burn the midnight oil. Parcells wants guys who are totally dedicated to football.
     
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  26. Danny

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    All this threads about Cam are going to go on till free agency when we'll have something new to talk about..it is what it is.....other than us talking to some candidates for HC there's nothing going on and once we name the HC we'll have to wait for free agency and then the draft.

    Ozzy rules!!
     
  27. CaliSDFin

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    Players hating Cam

    I am not sure if this has already been posted, but a good read from Fox Sports

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7644170

    I always figured there had to be internal problems. I am sure the fight on the plane was pretty scary to say the least

    :ffic:
     
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  28. Oboy

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    I am pretty sure it has been posted... but anyway, Has anyone heard of ANY of the players liking CAM? I mean I know losing breeds contempt, but wow... sounds like he had lost the WHOLE locker room weeks ago.
     
  29. lbmclean_sj

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    we need a CamHeaven page, put it one turnthepage.com
     
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  30. jason8er

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    In Cam's defense, getting between Keith Traylor and Vernon Carey would have been like being between these guys.

    [​IMG]
     
  31. dolpns13

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    I love this quote the best,"However, what those players said paled in comparison to the soliloquy delivered by Pro Bowl LB Joey Porter. According to several players, Porter stood up, in front of the whole team, and absolutely lambasted the coach using such words as "spineless" and basically called the coach a coward."
     
  32. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    although they arent "players", i bet the Ginn family likes Cam.
     
  33. Dmarino110

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    they didnt need to like him the day after he signed the contract. Especially when cam didnt call mama ginn up for punting duties.
     
  34. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    SHE PROBABLY COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN OUR VAUNTED PUNTER
     
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    Porter's always had a big mouth, I know he won't hold his true feelings back when his team is 1-15.
     
  36. Dorfdad

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    Cam Lost control and respect of these guys after a few weeks. This does not happen over night. Players wont say it but they started doing things thier way. Cam is a good coordinator NOT a Head Coach thats a totaly different mentality and Cam just did not have that..

    It's over lets move on..
     
  37. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    Porter probably wouldnt have said anything if Cam just acted like a leader and told the players to stop
     
  38. Roman529

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    I have always respected Porter for his play, but if I was coach and he called me out like that I would have cut him on the spot, and screw his contract and the salary hit. No player is above the team or above a coach, whether you are 1-15 or 15-1. You don't call anyone out in front of the team like that. I hope Peezy will keep his mouth shut and focus on the game, and quit making an *** of himself. :001_rolleyes:
     
  39. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    You have more cohunas than Cam does... He must not have made that much of an *** of himself since the team applauded him after he yelled at Cam
     
  40. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I am just glad that (hopefully) all of this is behind us. Parcells should call a players-only meeting and let the guys get it all out of their system. Then we just say goodbye to 2007 and start new. I just think you keep "family arguments" in the house,,,and then afterwards you all sit down and you are family again. Can't wait for 2008. :up:
     

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