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Why Ronnie doesn't produce like Adrian...?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolphans1, Nov 30, 2008.

  1. dolphans1

    dolphans1 New Member

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    Clearing the air....(a bit)

    First of all, I am not a big Ronnie Brown fan, I felt he was a wasted pick when we took him.(so high)

    I say this because he is inconsistent and never produces or dominates like Adrian Peterson does.

    The fact that Ronnie was the 2nd player selected in the draft leaves no excuses for Brown's under-acheivement.

    I just learned that Peterson has something like 1,300 yards rushing for this season, so the question begs to be asked, why doesn't Ronnie Brown dominate....? (like he should for a player selected so high on the draft)

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  2. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Yea but who would you rather have?? Ronnie, Cadillac, or Benson?? What about Alex Smith?? maybe Edwards but if you read the thread where people were calling for Ginn's head for a couple of drops could you imagine if Braylon was here??

    We did the best we could IMO with the pick.
     
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  3. ac_lanham

    ac_lanham Junior Member

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    Ronnie can't hand the ball off to himself or call running plays. Once again he was under 20 carries. Not his fault...
     
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  4. dolphans1

    dolphans1 New Member

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    I realize that was a very weak draft year and I leaned more in favor of Benson.

    I wanted to trade Ronnie Brown off a few years ago and move up in the draft and possibly nab Peterson (because of Peterson's injury).

    I just feel like Ronnie Brown does not produce or dominate like he should.

    His best game in my opinion was that 1st Patriots game....

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  5. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Because Adrian Peterson is a man possessed when he runs.

    Very different running styles. It was the right pick just don't compare him to Adrian.
     
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  6. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    The drafts are a crap shoot. Just because a player is taken first (or second, etc) overall doesn't necessarily mean he will be god on the football field. I cite Ryan Leaf as an example. Sure he might be the exception and not the norm but I digress.

    That's one of the reasons why I like FA so much because at least when you take from the FA pool (at least with the vets) you know the caliber of player you're getting both in talent and in attitude.

    With that being said Ronnie Brown is coming off an injury and that could be a part of the problem. Down and distance and any other invariable factors weigh in as well.

    Who's to say except the coaches?
     
  7. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Because

    A. Ronnie is coming back from a torn ACL.

    B. Adrian Peterson IS the Vikings offense, Ronnie is not our whole offense.

    I've been somewhat pleased with Ronnie, I do think he has slid back a bit from last seasons "Hit the hole hard and see what happens" under Cam, but we are also a much better team this year and we don't have to have Ronnie doing that game in and game out.
     
  8. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

  9. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    AP has a great O-Line blocking for him


    Not the patch job we have here in Miami
     
  10. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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    because Adrian Peterson is the best running back in the league and is behind one of the best run-blocking offensive lines in the league.
     
  11. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    First off Ronnie has been successful here. He got hurt last year but was having a great year. We have Ricky and Cobbs here as well. We are pretty deep at RB and are more diverse. Our Oline isn't done being built yet, and when it is then Ronnie, Ricky, and Cobbs will even be more successful. We are still trying to get depth on this Oline. We finally have a Football coach in Tony, along with football people in management positions.
     
  12. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    I'm not 100% sure why I'm even responding to this thread but here goes.

    Vikings offense 1,517 yards rushing & 10 TD's

    Dolphins offense 1,390 yards rushing & 16 TD's

    It's much bigger than Ronnie Brown vs Adrian Peterson

    Then if you take into consideration the fact that Miami has 2,864 passing yards against the Vikings having 2,018 passing yards it makes that rushing total seem a lot less of a factor.

    #2 Rusher for Miami Ricky Williams 108 attempts for 458 yards.
    #2 Rusher for Minnesota 80 carries for 293 yards.
     
  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I think I'm on the wrong site...
     
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  14. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    and Minnesota has a way better OL than we current do. I wonder if AD would have the same result with us. Plus, AD gets way more touches than Ronnie does.

    Rushing:
    ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
    Ronnie Brown 154 642 4.2 62 9 1 1
    Adrian Peterson 242 1180 4.9 54 8 4 3

    Rec:
    REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
    Ronnie Brown 21 191 9.1 39 0 0 0
    Adrian Peterson 16 95 5.9 16 0 0 0

    Sources:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=mia

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/teams/stats?team=min&year=2008
     
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  15. DOLFANMIKE

    DOLFANMIKE FOOTBALL COACH 32 YEARS Luxury Box

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    Wow. I think maybe you have missed quite a few games. Ronnie Brown is a dominating player and has been on some pretty poor teams. Before his injury during our 1-15 year, he was having a better year than Peterson IMO.

    Sorry, this is a one star thread IMO.
     
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  16. PENNSYLVANIADOLPHAN

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    Adrian Peterson has arguably the best run blocking O line in the league. And he's not sharing carries with another RB like ronnie brown is. Put Ronnie Brown behind Minnesota's Offensive line, and i guarantee you he'll put MVP type numbers.
     
  17. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Thats it in a nutshell......Ronnie IS a very good back IMO, people tend to forget he was the best RB in the NFL the first six weeks last year.
     
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  19. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Why doesn't Stephen Jackson, Fred Taylor, Frank Gore, or even Brandon Jacobs run like All Day ?? Because none of those guys are AP....that man is a special athlete.

    Also, the Vikes have something that we don't have....a dominating OL...even Chester Taylor was running like a fiend behind that OL...so don't diss on Brown because he's not someone else...diss on the organization for not getting an OL in front of him first, then blame Brown if he doesn't set the world on fire...
     
  20. opfinistic

    opfinistic Braaaaains!

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    Meh, Ronnie is what he is, a good RB coming off an injury. Having the depth we do at the position there is no need to run him into the ground. He'll have another opportunity to sooth the naysayers next year, after he is one more year away from his injury.
     
  21. dolphans1

    dolphans1 New Member

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    Well I appreciate the differing opinions. Based on the games yesterday, I am not even sure of the Jets any more. I thought they would have easily beat the Broncos yesterday.

    And then Pittsburgh demolishes the Patriots at home....?

    I just would have liked to have seen our back, (Ronnie Brown), force fed the ball and run the clock out.

    Had we been in this same position with a Steelers team or Patriots team, would the result have been any different?

    I understand that we had a TD taken away from us and we had 2 other chances to put this game away, but we are into the part of the season where you need to raise the level of play, because the games have playoff implications. It would have been nice to just run the ball and kill the clock when we needed to.

    If I recall, that Cobbs kid had a 6.0 yard average.

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  22. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Miami is fortunate and blessed to have 3 RBs to share the load and distribute. We should focus and pay more attention to TEAM rushing and TEAM avg yards per carry. As long as those numbers are positive and helping us be in the top half of NFL stats, we can keep our RBs healthy and their longevity increased I think its a great strategy.

    The Miami Dolphins arent about Ronnie, Ricky or Patrick...we are about all 3 and the Team production.
     
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  23. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I could really care less about Ronnie Brown's accolades. This team is not going to build itself around any one player, and rightfully so.
     
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  24. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Gotta take issue with this:

    He did have a 6.0 average.

    On two runs.

    One of which went for twelve yards.

    :pity:
     
  25. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    The statistics say that Ronnie Brown is far from a disappointment and a lot closer to AP than you think.

    Peterson 270 attempts 1311 yards average 4.9 yards, 9 TDs

    Brown 169 Attempts 690 yards average 4.1 yards 10 TDs

    Ronnie Brown has 101 less attempts than AP so if you give Brown 101 more carries averaging 4.1 yards a carry, he would have 414 more yards for a total of 1,104 yards
    AP is also running behind an established offensive line that have played together for a considerable time and that he has ran behind for a year and a half.
    RB is running behind and learning a new offensive line that is still learning to play together

    Statistics also show that RB is a better receiver out of the backfield than AP.
    However in both cases their yards for rushing and receiving are dictated by the offense they are playing in and how much the offensive coordinator wants to use them.
    If you consider RB a disappointmeent or a bust I am sure Dan Marino would have loved to have had him in 1983 and when Dan was in his prime.
     
  26. hugoguzman

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    You can also add the fact that Brown fumbles way less than Peterson. Not a flashy stat, but something that guys like Parcells and Sparano focus in on.
     
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  27. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    I remember seeing a YTD STAT about our 3 RBs as a group are producing results at a TOP 5 NFL level.

    That is beautiful!!!! That's what is important, not Ronnie or Ricky specifically compared to any other singlular back, IMO.
     
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  28. The Dude

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    terrible thread, terrible comparison.


    Where the **** were all the Ronnie haters when he was tearing it up?
     
  29. Dannyg28

    Dannyg28 Say hi to the rings

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  30. The Dude

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    haha I wouldnt doubt it.


    Adrian Peterson...pfff..

    they are two completely different type of backs..
     
  31. vmarcilfan75

    vmarcilfan75 blah...blah...blah... Club Member

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    APs stats would be better if stupid Childress doesnt pull him out on goalline situation.
     
  32. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Finally some common sense...
     
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  33. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Hell, why isn't AP better than Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Emmit Smith? Walter Payton? Czonka? Sayers?

    He obviously sucks, since he doesn't stack up. He's a bust. In fact, he should be castrated, so his potential offspring never have the chance to NOT live up to other running backs.

    :pity:
     
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  34. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    Is there a way to give a thread negative 5 stars?
     
  35. vmarcilfan75

    vmarcilfan75 blah...blah...blah... Club Member

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    If you want to get technical take away the NE game and RB only has 5 TDs.

    FYI
    i am not agreeing with the OP and saying RB is a bust or anything. Just dont think Brown is anywhere near AP.
     
  36. hugoguzman

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    Why would you take away a player's best performance when evaluating? That would be like taking away Peterson 192-yard performance against Green Bay in Week 10.

    Also, even if you did take away the Patriots game, Brown would have 6 rushing touchdowns (Brown had 4 rushing TDs and 1 passing TD against the Patriots).
     
  37. StLouisFinFan

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    Apparently you weren't watching him last year prior to his knee injury. Through 7 games he led all NFL players, including AP, in yards from scrimmage. He was an ELITE one man wrecking crew. This idea that RB is somehow lightyears behind other backs is absurd. When given the carries, he dominates. Besides, how many more wins has AP earned his Vikings than Brown has helped earn for his Dolphins? Zero.
     
  38. alen1

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    I concur. Good post Larry. I also wanted to point out Frank Gore as you mention him. I think he's heavily underrated.

    Why so? They don't have a very good secondary and we all knew Cutler and the Broncos are a passing team.

    Also, my intentions are not to bash you because we are all entitled to our opinion and I respect yours but I have to ask, are these comparisons going to continue?

    Same here. I wonder if some are ever going to realize that this team won't be built around one player.
     
  39. Ozzy

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    Take note of these types of threads because i 100 percent garauntee everyone that he will make one just like it before seasons end, and especially if RB has another game that is not stellar.
     
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  40. dolfan06

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    the "wildcat" doesn't produce like it did at arkansas. the first and foremost reason is when Dmac ran that offense with felix jones he could read the defense and run or pass where the defense was the weakest. ronnie doesn't have that option, he has to run whats been called.
     

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