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2009 Prediction

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Crappy Tipper, Dec 20, 2008.

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  1. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Ok, now don't lynch me over this but the one gut feeling I have for next season.

    Ted Ginn Jr will not be a Miami Dolphin.


    I truly feel that, I just don't have the "Parcell's guy" feeling about him. I think Bess & Camarillo will both surpass him on the field and that would leave us with one overpaid #3 receiver who sometimes returns kicks.

    What are your gut feelings for next season?
     
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  2. finserg

    finserg Well-Known Member

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    I could care less about him he just has not lived up to what i thought he would be.
     
  3. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    That's part of the reason for my prediction. Figured I would let it out of the bag now while he's irritating me this season.
     
  4. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    i don't think we'll give up on a 2nd year receiver. that's kinda a pointless move anyway bc so much of his contract is guaranteed
     
  5. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    So much for giving our players time to develop...
     
  6. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    He would be a 3rd year receiver next year.

    I'm not the one cutting him I just really don't think he'll be there next year one way or another.
     
  7. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I highly doubt it. If he doesn't produce much in his third season, then possibly. I just don't see us cutting him because it'll cost us a lot of money.. I don't see any hints towards him leaving...

    And the general guideline is to give a wide receiver, if not all players, 3 years to fully develop. Ginn should have spent another year in college, I felt he was pretty raw... Was #9 overall too high for him? Probably.. But that's not his fault. We'll have to make due, I think he's been making huge strides from the beginning of the year until now. I think people expect him to be hauling in 100 yards, 1 TD per game and that's the main problem... Too high of expectations.

    By the end of next season, we should have a real good idea of what Ted Ginn Jr's future will be in Miami.
     
  8. anlgp

    anlgp ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A

    Wilford gets the axe before Ginn does.
     
  9. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    i think our wr's next year will be ginn, g.cam, bess, london and a 5th guy we either draft or bring in.
     
  10. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    i think chad henne may have something to say about that. henne could very well be the starter next year. not to knock pennington for what he's done, but I think henne can do it better. And I think Henne would be able to connect with Ginn ALOT more. Henne was constantly connecting with Braylon Edwards and Mario Manningham on deep bombs in Michigan. It just doesnt make sense to cut a WR who is working hard, getting better production than last year, and keeping defenses honest.

    Look at Mark Clayton in Baltimore. He has stepped it up this season. Good thing they didn't cut him.
     
  11. MelbournePhin

    MelbournePhin New Member

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    i think we will have a nasty OL next year
     
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  12. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    they shoulda cut Steve Smith too.....
     
  13. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Player development guys.

    You can't judge prospects this quickly.
    We've been over this time and time again.
     
  14. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Look at Gish hitting the nail on the head... you're absolutely correct. It's like trying to analyze the worth of a tight end in a run and shoot offense. With Henne, it's a completely different offense to a Ted Ginn.
     
  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This thread completely ignores the fact that most wide receivers find their stride in the NFL in their 3rd season (except for those in disagreement who already mentioned it). No way does our new competent FO give up on a first round WR before seeing what he can do in his third year. This prediction will be proven very wrong. IMO.
     
  16. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I agree with that whole statement, but I don't think we'll see Henne for awhile.

    Pennington's been great this year and I really can't imagine us benching him for Henne for any reasons beyond injury or terrible play. Both of those haven't been issues at all since he's been here (knock on wood).

    I think Henne will continue to ride the bench until the Pennington train absolutely derails. You don't bench a guy who leads you from 1 win to 9+ the following year because you want to start a rookie with a bigger arm.

    As for Ginn, like many others have said, GIVE THE KID A CHANCE TO DEVELOP.

    Christ, this is only his 2nd year and people want ship him out already.
     
  17. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    "Parcell's guy" doesnt equal production in only 1 season. Its about work ethic, its about attitude, its about effort. I have not heard one bad word about Ginn in this context. He continues to show effort and positive attidue, nah, too early without hearing any locker room disruptive force antics to claim simply because in 1 year in Parcells/Ireland/Sparano system he is having inconsistent moments. I dont buy it that he isnt a Parcells guy.

    And the part about Henne is valid (heck even Beck - although its hard to think Henne isnt getting the nod).
     
  18. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    right now he's having some issues i know, but hes also learning how to beat the double team at an early age.
     
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  19. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I don't see how you cut a Wide Receiver after his second year in the NFL.

    Ted Ginn is on pace to finish the year with 57 catches for 771 yards. That's better than the second year production of Lee Evans, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, and Santana Moss.

    Evans, Wayne, and Moss are all speed receivers, like Ginn. Speed Receivers usually take the longest to develop at this level because they have to hone their separation skills and route running, due to the increase of speed in the defensive backfield. Route running was one of Ginn's weakest areas coming out of college.

    I've seen him improve this year, certainly enough to warrant a spot on the team next year. I think it's ridiculous to consider cutting him after this season.
     
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  20. wpgfishfan

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    I am not a fan of his BUT he will not be cut. He is too young and too fast

    His hands are decent and his top speed is great

    He needs to develop more quickness and hit his holes quicker
     
  21. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Hey, I'm just saying that I think and I think when all the dust settles he's going to be way down the depth chart and not worth much to the team.
     
  22. PhinsRock

    PhinsRock Premium Member Luxury Box

    I've never been a big fan of Ginn, hated the pick, but no way he's not on this team next season. Giving this thread 1 star, for not learning the lesson that Parcell's is too smart to get rid of someone with Ted's work ethic, speed, hands, and in only his 2nd year.
     
  23. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Well If I could I would give that reply one star for thinking that his hands are an asset.
     
  24. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Only point I would reconsider in my thinking is one that I had not fully considered was his contract for next season. Even with that being said, I think if the right opportunity came up he would be out of there.
     
  25. calphin

    calphin deadly at 250 yards!!

    whos the winner that voted one star?
     
  26. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    Somebody who thinks that I don't know anything about football.
     
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  27. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Some of Ted's problems have nothing to do with Pennington, and it is doubtful that Henne would help very much, Ted's problems are internal not external.

    But even those can be dealt with, as long as "we" know those problems exist in the first place, stuff like avoiding contact, losing focus and dropping passes and not running hard on kick returns...those can be dealt with, so Ginn will be a Phin next year, he might be the number #3 guy, but he will be playing for us.
     
  28. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Ginn may not be in Parcells' future plans but no matter what I don't think we improve so much at the position that we can move Ginn in one offseason.
     
  29. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    I don't disagree with that given the contract implications that I previously didn't fully think out, but at the end of his contract if next season is anything like this one he won't be around. Besides - I don't think he has a ton of trade value anyway.
     
  30. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    I think we could get a 4th or so for Ginn right now if we needed/wanted. But I think he's doing fine. Ginn hasn't turned the ball over, he doesn't have an attitude problem, seems to have pretty good hands, and he is capable of making plays, so theres no reason to rush him out the door. We (cam and Mueller, really) have already made this investment, might as well see how it goes.

    Obviously none of us know what Parcells thinks of the guy but I can't imagine he hates having him on the team. (Like he did Hagan)
     
  31. FinFan_Est.1984

    FinFan_Est.1984 Get Aggressive!!!

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    Anquan Boldin would do wonders for our receiving corps. He has that "Parcells" toughness and would be a great mentor to the above mentioned young wr corps.
     
  32. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Yes, Ginn who plays the position that aside from QB usually takes the most time to adjust to the NFL, won't be here next season.

    Thats completely insane. He has a LOT of talent and he has flashed it multiple times this season. You can't expect a WR (especially one like him) to really turn the corner until his 3rd or 4th season.
     
  33. padre31

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    I disagree with that Alex, the "wait until the third year" stuff is bunkum.

    A guy can play, or he can't, he may polish off rough edges, but the underlying talent will be there, like Greg C, the guy just hung around, not because NFL people liked him personally, but because he could play and they saw he could.

    ditto Ginn, he can play, he's not a terrible Wr at all, in fact, he's a decent Wr right now, he has alot of work to do though, and he may never be quite tough enough to be a #1 Wr, he could be our Terry Glenn...both the good and the bad of that included.
     
  34. DevilFin13

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    Even someone who really liked the Ginn pick, such as myself, knew he was pretty raw and would need work. I don't see any reason to let him go, certainly not the fact that he was a high 1st rounder whom Parcells didn't draft. Jason Allen is in the same boat and he hasn't been let go, even while being far less productive than Ginn. Speaking of Allen, they clearly don't care where you were drafted when it comes to starting and playing time. So why would they start Ginn from day 1 if they didn't feel he was at least as good or better than the other receivers?

    I wouldn't be surprised if they stay with Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess as the receiving corp, maybe adding a late round draft pick or a cheap free agent. And if that happens I will be comfortable with it. Yeah Ginn needs to keep developing and show more than he has this season. But I think he has enough talent to be a pretty solid receiver.
     
  35. felly smarts

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    I think he will get better as time goes on, but I see him being more on speacial teams. I think he will be good but it will be long after we get rid of him. We'll get a third round pick for him after next season.
     
  36. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    The poster who gave the thread 1 star said so in his (or her) post earlier in this thread.

    Where did you get that from? The poster said neither of those things in his post.

    As for the topic at hand. Ginn has progressed, and that should be good enough for all parties involved. The only way Ginn is gone next year is if someone blows us away with a trade offer. I don't see that happening, and I look forward to what Ginn can do for the Miami Dolphins in the future.
     
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  37. Crappy Tipper

    Crappy Tipper AKA Hero13

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    I take it from right here
    I read this as an evaluation that I've obviously not been paying attention this season.

    I have no ill will about it.
     
  38. Crappy Tipper

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    I don't know if I'm the only one that it bothers that Ginn, Camarillo & Bess all are tied with only 5 catches of 20+ yards this season.

    Which one of them is known as the speedster that can "make things happen?"

    The only thing he's near first on for wide receivers is fumbles.
     
  39. alen1

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    Good thread topic, CT.

    I, personally, don't think that he'll be gone because of the reasons stated earlier. He's raw and its still early to get rid of him in my opinion because of that as well as the cap hit. In the future, I don't see him here nor am I sure that I see Ronnie Brown here but that's a different topic.

    Your right about that BDH, he does have work ethic, attitude and effort. That's part of the characteristics in which Bill Parcells has looked for since the eighties I believe. He's always gone by one system, the George Young evaluation system; that includes size, speed, toughness and clean character. Ginn still may lack that toughness.
     
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    All i know is every time i think Ted is not cutting it he comes out and has a good game.

    In my mind, i think Ted was worth the 9th pick " for what he did in College " but if Bill was here it's safe to say we would not have Ted now.

    If Ted was a hunting dog he wouldn't be much good to anyone. I've never really seen a football player have to try so hard just to " man up " well other then Bobby Carpenter lol ..............so maybe Bill would of drafted Ted.

    To me as long as other teams put two on him, or roll the converge to his side "and they do about 30 % of the time" he'll still be starting, because that just frees up are other WR's.

    The way other teams play him as far as the converge will some day make him a very good WR.There are very,very, few young WR's in the NFL that have to play against the converge he see week in week out.
     

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