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MERGED: With the First Pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, The Miami Dolphins Select.....

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by RealDriscoll, Jan 9, 2008.

  1. RealDriscoll

    RealDriscoll Banned

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    A lot of names have been thrown around such as Chris Long, Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Matt but with this pick the Miami Dolphins should select the best player in this draft, Glenn Dorsey. Yes I did say that Dorsey is the best player in the draft over Darren McFadden and Chris Long.


    Why not Darren McFadden?

    -McFadden is going to be a good and maybe great NFL Running Back. With that said I am very optimistic on the return and future of Ronnie Brown. What Ronnie showed us of his shortened season was not only promising, it was MVPish. If Brown plays a whole season like he played before his injury and Tom Brady doesn't have the best season that anyone has ever had, Ronnie Brown is the MVP of the league on the worst team in the league. Wow! I think the fact that he is almost running already is indeed a very positive sign. I do not question Ronnie's durability and predict that he will be a clear cut Top 5 Running Back in the league for years to come.


    Why Not Jake Long?

    -Long will not be a dominant Left Tackle in the NFL. His skill set does not include that of a high caliber left tackle. Jake Long will be a Right Tackle in the NFL and #1 pick money is way too much to pay a right tackle. Jeff Otah out of Pittsburgh would b e a much better option for this team at Left Tackle. I like Long's intensity, mean streak, and strength but he just isn't blessed with the feet to make him elite.


    Why Not Matt Ryan?

    Ryan could become a great NFL QB but the key word is COULD. I know players such as Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, and Big Ben have been first round picks but drafting a QB this high just scares me. If it doesn't pan out, it kills your franchise for years to come. I don't think Ryan is as good as QB Prospects over the last several years and to be honest I am not sure how much better, if any, he is than John Beck. It is not fair to give Beck a bad grade as a rookie b/c the supporting cast around him was just terrible. The one thing that was obvious is that he was not comfortable yet which caused him to fumble a few ball. Bottom Line is that ROOKIE Quarterback's turn the ball over. Let's talk about the poise he was showing against the Steelers and Eagles in their houses; not to mention that they are two of the hardest places to play in football. Let's talk about the arm strength and accuracy he portrayed against the Bengals in the 2nd half. I am sold on John beck and think he has a bright future here in Miami.

    Why Not Chris Long?

    Nothing really negative to say here except Dorsey's ceiling is much higher than Long's. Chris Long is an absolute machine with a non stop motor and he will cause havoc in the NFL for years to come. Being a Maryland Alumni, I know full the effects of playing against Chris Long, Al Groh even said that Long is the best player he ever coached not name Lawrence Taylor. If Not Dorsey, then long is the pick BUT ....


    WHY DORSEY:

    Dorsey would make an immediate impact for our team. The man demands double and in some cases triple teams and still gets to the ball. Getting sacks and tackles is not a defensive tackle's primary objective. The primary objective of the position is to eat blockers so that everyone around him can make plays. Dorsey does that better than anyone I have ever seen. He is nasty, intense, and one bad mofo. Passing on Dorsey would be a huge mistake. As far as him being an injury prone player, one injury doesn't mean your prone especially when that injury comes from an illegal chop-block. Why Dorsey? He is the best player in the draft.

    Round 1: Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
    Round 2(a): James Hardy WR Indiana
    Round 2 (b): Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB Tennessee State
    Round 3: Martin Rucker TE Missouri
    Round 4: Barry Richardson OT Clemson
    Round 6: Matt Flynn QB LSU
    Round 7: Andrew Bain G Miami

    That's My Fins Mock: Complete Mock coming soon
     
  2. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    :yawn:

    I cant wait till the draft is here. we've beat this to death
    Sorry, had too...

    The only ones worthy of the 1st pick is Dorsey, Long, and McFatty and we dont need McFatty so I dont care who we take whether is dorsey or long...

    Ultimately I hope to god we can trade down* because not 1 player in this draft is worth 40 mil garuanteed
     
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  3. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Unfortunately this season gave us a head start on the discussion...
     
  4. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I don't see a draft with only two defensive players taken, especially after last year.
     
  5. sabanhater

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    Glenn Dorsey makes sense to me.
    I think we were ranked 30th against the run this season.
     
  6. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    It really depends upon Free Agent signings. To early to say one way of the other as to our draft focus.
     
  7. lbmclean_sj

    lbmclean_sj New Member

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    too true, we need LB's in the worst way
     
  8. RealDriscoll

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    There are no free agent DT's as good as Glenn Dorsey. Albert Haynesworth is there but is he better than Dorsey? He had a great season but where was he the rest of his career? Anyways, he is in contract negotiaions with the Titans.
     
  9. grushcow

    grushcow New Member

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    not a bad mock but not even a mention of gholston??
     
  10. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    32nd 153 ypg :thumbup:
     
  11. sabanhater

    sabanhater New Member

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    I knew it was bad. I wasn't sure if we were the worst.

    now we know....
     
  12. Dfan06

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    Co-sign
     
  13. REV KEV

    REV KEV New Member

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    Me too
     
  14. sgtphin

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    I believe you meant trade down? It's kinda hard to trade up if you already sit at #1, don't ya think? Not trying to a smart-a$$, just pointing out a fact, Bro.
     
  15. dolpns13

    dolpns13 Chest Rockwell is my hero

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    yeah, I mean trade down smart***.. jk :smile:
     
  16. azfinfanmang

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    Any scenario that DOESNT have us picking up a stud Linebacker is suicide. You think just by picking Dorsey our defense is gonna be able to stop the run?
     
  17. Oboy

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    Guys, Our defense was HORRIBLE last year. I could very well see that being our entire draft. Bottom line is in today's nfl you NEED to have a solid offense. NO matter HOW good your defense is. Bc the rules are swayed towards offense and like we used to find out... if your offense sucks your d will get tired by the end of the game anyway. I think offense is a LOT harder to build. Get a great offense and then build the D. Look at what Indy did. Look at NE this year (D is ok, but that o...)

    Get one or two great players on D (Dorsey and a CB) and I think that will help the D immensely and allow us to continue to build the offense.
     
  18. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Realistically in FA and the draft we need to acquire....

    offense - a veteran qb, a te, an OT (either left moving Carey back to right or a right) 2 guards, and a wr with size.

    defense - 2 DT (yes we need 2), DE, OLB, ILB, CB,

    We need a LOT of help.
     
  19. Dfan06

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    D-line is really important, If Running backs our getting to the linebackers(that means your running game suck.) Thats means their in the 4-5 yard a carry zone. A line backer needs DL in front of him to help him start the run.
     
  20. azfinfanmang

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    NIce, but RB's were averaging more than just 4-5 yards a game..and guess what, as much as I LOVE Dorsey (In a manley football type of way) he isnt gonna stop that alone.

    I like Dorsey, and I think without any doubt, we pick up a STUD lb in the second round.
     
  21. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    I actually think we go lb at our 2nd 2 rounder or in the third even. We can pick up some good talent there like J. Lehman, Goff, or Beau Bell.
     
  22. RealDriscoll

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    1_ Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
    2) Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
    3) Chris Long DE Virginia
    4) Vernon Gholston DE Ohio State
    5) Matt Ryan QB Boston College
    6) Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
    7) Sedrick Ellis DT USC
    8) Calais Campbell DE Miami
    9) Kenny Phillips S Miami
    10) Mike Jenkins CB South Florida
    11) Jake Long OT Michigan
    12) Keith Rivers OLB USC
    13) Brian Brohm QB Louisville
    14) James Laurinitus LB Ohio State
    15) Ryan Clady OT Boise State
    16) Jeff Otah LT Pittsburgh
    17) Antoine Cason CB Arizona
    18) Dan Conner LB Penn State
    20) Dominique Rodgers Cromartie CB Tennesse State
    21) James Hardy WR Indiana
    22) Fred Davis TE USC
    23) Andre Woodson QB Kentucky
    24) Limas Sweed WR Texas
    25) Adarius Bowman WR Oklahoma State

    As you can see from my power Rankings, I am a huge fan of Vernon gholston and would not be terribly depressed if he were the pick. Bottom Line, GLENN DORSEY
     
  23. Desides

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    The run defense will take an immediate leap forward, yes.
     
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  24. azfinfanmang

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    I am a HUGE advocate of Dorsey, and I think we Will take him...but, he is 303 playing DT in a 4-3..He is gonna probably project to DE in parnsips grand scheme, and unless he has help behind him he isnt going to be able to single-handedly stop the run.

    I say that if Dan Connor or Crable are there at 32, they will also be wearing Orange and Aqua.
     
  25. Dmarino110

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    Simply put, ronnie has played 3 seasons and has managed to play all 16 games 0 times. Regardless of how good he can play in 7 the NFL plays 16 games and more if you do well. There is nothing good about a back that can't make it the entire season. Do you see any of our other backs as talented enough to keep our team on a playoff run when ronnie goes down on the 10-13th game of ever season?

    Regardless of how many RBs you have its always good to have more. It is not a problem to have 2 1st tier rbs, especially when 1 has proven he cant carry the load for the entire season. If we cant trade the pick and we dont plan on picking up kevin smith then Mcfadden has my 1st vote.

    I personally haven't seen much of his play so i can't judge this. That being said the Tuna knows how to pick up linemen better than most. If he gets picked I assume that Bill gave approval and that will be good enough for me. This is also a position that can be and i think should be filled through FA

    You are sold on a QB that is older than many of the vets? I'm not sold on anyone after 1 year. At this point if he were a normal NFL QB he would have 3 years of practice under his belt. I think Beck is a good man for following his faith the way he did but it does not make him an nfl QB. He is going to be 30 soon, a time when he should be entering the prime of his career and he will still be learning how to be an nfl qb. We need a #1 round qb eventually, picking the OPA (oldest pick available) was another cameron mistake and its time you people see it.

    I call that high praise. We will be losing taylor next year if not this year. This man will make the transition for us easier. He has my 2nd vote if we get stuck with this pick.

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    I dint see much double teaming during the championship game. I saw a short slow player get blocked effectively by 1 man. I saw him jump on the ball carrier a few times after he had already been tackled. believe me the announcers wanted to call his name but didn't. Just because the press builds you up doesn't mean you are what they say you are.

    If you use the #1 pick overall on a player with a history of injuries it will bite you in the end.
     
  26. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Wow this single paragraph invalidates your entire post. Dorsey short? Dorsey slow? Dorsey dominated by one man? Are you positive you watched the game of American football where the LSU Tigers played the Ohio State Buckeyes? Were you doing it with your eyes open?

    Dorsey was only single blocked about a handful of times in the entire game. After the first two drives Dorsey was a non stop presence in the backfield...just because he wasn't the one making the tackles doesn't mean he wasn't making plays. Wells was constantly altering his running because of penetration by Dorsey and yes Dorsey had a sack as well on a play where his QUICK burst took him by his initial blocker as well as a player who was supposed to provide help.
     
  27. azfinfanmang

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    Agreed, IF we cant pick up either Connor or Crable at 32:thumbup:
     
  28. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Good God! Dorsey, Connor, and Beau Bell? Well our run defense would be fixed big time. I think we end up grabbin either Rogers Cromartie or Fred Davis in there somewhere.
     
  29. Dmarino110

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    hes 6'2 inches...i call that short for most positions in the nfl aside from RB
     
  30. pocoloco

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    Frankly, I think it's Chris Long at the moment, barely, over Dorsey. I think Long fits the defense a little bit better, that's it. Both are amazing and high character too. I

    After that, free agency is really going to impact what we do in rounds 2 or 3. I don't think we should go after any of the high priced free agents. I think Corey Williams the DT from Green Bay (a versatile guy that can play nose) ought to be the top target (if available) since he is young and has lots of good games under his belt. Bryant Johnson, I think, is the right kind of complement to Ginn running fly routes all day.

    That gives us room for two things, not have to WR early (it's a weak class) and be able to focus instead on CB (it's a deep class). Why pay a guy 80 million when you can get a CB in the 2nd who would normally go in the first?
     
  31. Motion

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    I agree, rather have Long.

    I really like your Mock.
     
  32. azfinfanmang

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    No, re-read what I said. I am saying we pick up 1 (one) (Singular) linebacker either with the 2a or 2b...Ultimately would probably be Davis with the 2a and either Crable or Lehman with the 2b...or even Cromartie with the 2b and perhaps Bell with the 3-1..that would also work for me
     
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    If we end up drafting J. Leman, it better not be before the 6th round. He's got nice size and instincts, but that's about where it ends. Not only does he lack straight line speed, but he also lacks quickness and has trouble shedding blockers. He seems more like a backup/special teamer to me.
     
  34. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    1-Dorsey
    2a-Davis
    2b-Rogers Cromartie
    3-Beau Bell

    ?

    That would be outstanding! We should prey the draft gods be so kind to us.
     
  35. azfinfanmang

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    :ffic:..I know its a piep dream, but stranger things have happened :up:
     
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    Wow, you think Campbell is the 8th best player? Are you a Hurricane fan?
     
  37. azfinfanmang

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    Actually, I am more surprised at

    A:McFadden being in the top 8
    B: Ryan being in the top 10...
     
  38. Motion

    Motion New Member

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    :huh1: Why does that surprise you?

    Yeah, thats just crazy talk.
     
  39. azfinfanmang

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    Sorry, I watched him...closely albiet for only two games this season, but I dont get it?

    I mustve missed something cause I see a "Gimmick" back that runs very upright and is going to get pulverized at the next level. I just dont think he is going to be nearly as affective in the pros.

    Keep in mind, I was expecting Adrian Peterson Part II cause that was the hype I was reading in here.. What I saw was more like Adrian Peterson Part III (Right behind the Bears AP)...
     
  40. Phinperor

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    Long is my choice obviously. I've had the pleaure to watch this kid play throughout his college career being from VA, he will be a defensive captain and enforcer in this league no doubt whatsoever. I may be biased, but I want that kind of drive, talent, and heart on this team. BTW I'm not taking away anything at all from Dorsey, I just prefer Chris. Either way we can't go wrong between the two, so I will of course support our FO's decision.
     

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